Who hates slow players?

old story, time to revive it I guess

If you don't like stories, jump this post. There is a message in the last few paragraphs for those that like to get to the point in a hurry.

Slow players are an irritation but the irritation is our own fault. In a tournament I agree to a shot clock because of the need to keep order, when gambling, a slow player shouldn't bother anyone. Playing a slooooow player a race to ten for five bucks might make you crazy but if you feel you have an advantage wouldn't you love to play him a race to ten for five thousand? Insist on the bet being worth your time or don't play.

When I was young and dumb and full of . . . . freeholy beans, I was shown the most awful place in the world to play pool. An old building out in the piney woods. There was a bar that only sold beer, none too cold, and a single big table in an old tin roofed wooden floored building with living quarters in the back. With no ceiling it was easy to see all the holes in the old tin and sweeping the floor sideways let all of the dirt and cigarette butts fall through the cracks between the boards. No sign on the building, not sure the place even had a name. I don't know if women were allowed, never saw one in the years I frequented the place. Even a man tended the bar.

The table was nasty! Leveled by the traditional pasteboard beer coasters under the legs and the cloth was the classic late forties stuff that came with the table. Ripped, torn, and with no resemblance to cloth anymore. Years of sweat, beer, bug guts, and best forgotten things coated the cloth. With no air conditioning the bugs from the open door or huge wall fan without screen covered the table. Smaller bugs were ignored but june bugs or larger required a shot fired with speed or taking time to move the bug before shooting. An unnoticed june bug ruined many a shot but I can't remember anyone complaining.

Naturally there had to be some appeal to the place and there was. When most people worked for fifty a week minimum wage or less, there were always people in there playing for three bucks a game 24/7. Three dollars was the bet, I can't remember anyone ever playing higher or lower. When I was broke from too much partying or just wanted to leave home on twenty bucks and see what happened I could always pump up here. Always a grind because I couldn't stay on the table but a few games at a time but always available. Well away from my usual haunts being east of me, this was my place of last resort when I was broke or action hard to find.

There were few real players in the place, mostly cowboys that wanted a fair game for their money, a dirt tracking country boy that could play pool that first showed me the place, and Old Joe.

Old Joe was king of the place, might have quietly owned it, I don't know. Joe had class, he wore an old sport coat long past voting age itself. A miracle of a coat, it contained an endless supply of half pint Jim Beam or Old Crow bottles. Apparently a branch distillery, I have seen him play for days and never run out of whiskey!

Gentleman Joe as I prefer to think of him these days was a slow player. In his seventies or eighties, he moved so slowly I could drink a beer while he walked around the table. I can't remember him ever firing a shot hard enough the object ball lost contact with the bevel falling into the pocket either. Joe could run an open table of eight or nine ball most of the time and it was fifteen minutes or more of pure torture watching him work!

I easily beat the other players in the place even on the stall, Joe had my number. I would be on the edge of my seat waiting for him to miss, bit in my teeth ready to bolt! Pumped full of adrenalin when he finally missed I would jump up and fire. Usually too durned fast, either missing when I shouldn't or blowing shape which was pretty easy to get on that slower than slow table. I would give the table back to Joe and the torture began again!

Looking back, I'm pretty sure Joe got a call when I showed up, he was never too far behind if he wasn't already there. Over six months time he probably won well over a hundred from me at that slow painful three dollar a game pace even though I only came to this place a few times a month. Other places I crushed much better players but Joe had my number!

I realized that the problem was mine, not anybody else's. I was a dirt tracker myself in those days and my solution came from there. When I was sitting in the chair I became just a mildly interested spectator myself, only paying enough attention to Joe to notice when it was my shot. I leaned the splintery old house cue on the wall, leaned back and propped my feet up, genuinely relaxed.

That was it, Joe never beat me again. Maybe a deliberately dropped game when I was up a few but never was he ahead in the cash. Joe was no dummy and had nothing to prove. If he was on the table when I showed after that he would play one game, maybe two at the most. He kept the hundred or so he took from me, I kept the knowledge of how to deal with slow players.

In the coming years I made thousands from knowing how to deal with slow players. Some were just slow, some I knew were trying to shark since they weren't playing their normal game. Didn't matter, kick back, prop my boots on a stool or chair, yawn now and then real or faked. When it was time for me to get up I took another swallow of beer, got my pool cue, and ambled over to the table. Chalked the cue and glanced over the balls to see if a run was to be had or where I was playing to a safety, usually "accidentally" in those days. Most places obvious safeties were frowned on. Reason to suspect someone's manhood at the least and maybe cause for a fight or rap upside the head with a pool cue.

A final note, when somebody that isn't naturally a slow player tries to play slow to take the other player out of their game it almost always harms their own game. Realizing the sharker is probably shooting themselves in the foot makes it easier to take too.

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I think your memory might need a little polishing up. I have never, EVER, made a comment about my size in reference to any fighting or anything remotely related to it. I have never threatened anyone on this forum ever, nor challenged them in any way (bet, play a match, fight, whatever.) You may have me confused with someone else.



Everything in your second paragraph I agree with completely. I think some are just genuinely slow, not for any malicious reason. Others are slow because they are determined and methodical. I do indeed agree that some people play slow as a move, or to gain an edge as you say. I definitely don't like that. In fact, I pretty much detest all sharking, moves, etc. I try my best for sure to avoid it in myself. I guess no one is perfect though. Just last week someone quit a tournament on me because I was eating a bowl of soup and put my spoon down while he was at the table shooting. I was just in shock. I couldn't tell if he was joking with me or not. If he had asked me to be totally stationary like a statue 8 feet away from the table, I guess I would have obliged. If someone is aiming straight at me, I try to be totally motionless. This wasn't the case though.



Anyway, yeah, I think we are on the same page with the slowness thing, but are in two different universes on the size and threatening thing. I mean, it is *possible* that someone might have accused me of something, and thrown in the idea of "your probably very short so you need to compensate...etc...who knows?" If anything I might have corrected them, pointing out that I'm actually not too short. I am 100% certain though that this would have been only in a correction of facts type of vain, not at all in a confrontational or threatening one. Even still, I don't think that happened either, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that I may have forgotten, as I wouldn't have thought much about incoming comments like that.



Anyway, peace. Lets stick to the things we agree on. If you want to remind me more explicitly of some post from a year ago, that's fine too. PM me. I won't take it as an argument or anything. I'm actually curious now if there is something I might have forgotten about.



KMRUNOUT


My memory is polished KM and I've PM'd you to clear things up.

There is no judge on what situation is right and wrong. This group on AZ is collectively the judge and the jury.

In a nutshell, slow play can vary from night to night for me depending on my mood. Some nights I have very little patience and end up playing a player that feeds off that and other nights, especially when I'm in stroke couldn't bother me what so ever. There is really no excuse for playing on a big table, with an open spread and spending 3-4 minutes per shot. I HAVE had this happen and being that I have a 40 minute drive home and up at 5:30am I really don't appreciate being at the hall playing a league match until 12:30 or 1am.
 
Played a guy in a league championship that took 12 minutes to shoot 4 balls while he and his team mates had a good laugh. Each time he made a ball, his team would whoop it up. I never said a word to him. My team mates were hot, but I quietly told them "Just wait!"

It came down to me and him for the final game. I broke and ran down to the 8 ball which was a hanger in about 2 minutes.

I got down to shoot the 8 ball, raised back up and walked around the table a few times. Stopped and went outside to smoke, came back in, lined up on the shot about another six times, stopped and went to the bathroom. Came back, got down, raised up, powdered my hands, slapping them together and making a cloud next to their side of the table. Went to my case and roughed up my tip. Chalked up about another dozen times and so on, and so on.....

Took about 20 minutes. My team was laughing and whooping the whole time while their team was beet faced and fuming. They refused to shake our hands afterwards.

Once things calmed down, I talked to their team captain. He told me they decided to slow play the better players on my team in an attempt to throw us off our game. His parting words were "Kinda backfired, didn't it?"


Stones
 
Oh it's usually the loser of the match who will be the one complaining of "slow play". Also it's highly doubtful that anyone takes a full 4 minutes between every single shot. 4 minutes is a pretty long time.


4 minutes would be like going to the bar, order a beer, go for a piss, then play next shot. I have told people billions of times not to exaggerate!! :rolleyes:
 
Who was it that said "you know it takes this guy 3 hours to watch 60 Minutes he's so slow?" :)
 
Slow player that don't know what they are doing or how to do it is what bothers me, like bangers that act like they are capable of executing the shot accordingly. A player who knows what he's doing and how to do it (or has the ability) I don't mind slow play other than that.
Now a good player who's take a minute to shoot a shot that only has one maaaaaaybe two options deserves to be locked away or put on meds.
did anyone mention Mike Wong yet? lol (i'm sure someone did)
 
The worst is playing the ghost and it's his turn to break.
I usually give him up to 5 minutes but if it takes longer than that, I just break down my cues and go home.
 
Just a reference to post(s) within this thread where slow players have fought for their right to disrupt tournament play by employing legal counsel and the like.

Oh lol ok...I actually kinda thought that but wasn't sure. I will try and bring a lawyer with me to all future tournaments haha!

KMRUNOUT
 
Get them outta here.

I don't care if you're an elite player but if you take 2-4mins even on a simple shot. You're the reason pool is dying in some places.
 
I just watched a match on YouTube between Sigel and Efren playing in the finals of an 8 ball tourney. I've been away for quite a while but I suspect this match is well known.

Now, I've always been a fan of both of these guys. Sigel was one of the first pros I saw way back in the early 80's. I thought he was cool then, and I still admire him. With that said, he was being a total ass hat in that match. I don't mind his chirping to the peanut gallery but he was chattering away while Efren was at the table and I thought that was extremely rude. On top of that, which brings this back on topic, he was purposely taking his sweet old time trying to leave Efren sitting down to break his groove. Some will say it's a strategy, I just think it's dirty. I was calling for a shot clock on him.

I was glad to see him take the loss like a man though and congratulating Efren on his win. So many times you see that lifeless handshake and walk away. Not fond of that crap either.
MULLY


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I'm a rather slow player, like to line up shots carefully, weigh my options and also pre-stroke precisely.
But then again - I'm playing for fun, no clue what you guys are doing :p
 
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