Who knows the shot?

you never said in your original post that you had your opponent on two fouls but anyway, heres what could be a probable layout for you should he hit the seven...............

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because the shot i would be left with could be a tough combo my suggestion would be to clip the seven using a bit of inside english, bringing the 7 down the rail to hit the 9 slightly, playing speed off the side rail to leave the cue behind the eight/nine. this is a better shot imo because it leaves a harder reverse english kick for your opponent and the leave you will be left with should he make a good hit will be more predictable and spread out for your next shot if need be.


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I want to play all you guys who think the 9 is a dead carom into the corner. Get your prescriptions checked - it's obvious (to me) that it hits the end rail about a diamond from the pocket. Edit the diagram and turn on the tangent line indicator to help you see it.

pj
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AZE said:
... I had him on two...
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As skins said, you never mentioned this in your original post. If that's the case, the answer to your question is obvious.
 
AZE said:
I learned of the shot from Mario Cruz - and about a week after I learned the shot, I actually came into this diagrammed situation. Race to 7 for $300. The score was 6-6... I had him on two, and I get left like that... so I shoot it and leave him like this
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Absolutely brilliant! Not the shot......... the flippantly casual way you retrospectively throw in a previously ommitted piece of information which is central to the choice of shot question you posed:rolleyes:

I'm going to pose one now.......what's the best pool room in town? Post your suggestions here.

PS....I'll let you know which town about two pages later at the same time as I tell you the answer:) :p
 
AZE said:
I learned of the shot from Mario Cruz - and about a week after I learned the shot, I actually came into this diagrammed situation. Race to 7 for $300. The score was 6-6... I had him on two, and I get left like that... so I shoot it and leave him like this

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it would be a VERY low percentage to play the shot your way, move the seven down table, and end up like the position you show. all balls frozen, even the cue ball, or even real close to that. the speed control for all aspects of this shot is just not feasible. this is not the right play imo.
 
skins said:
it would be a VERY low percentage to play the shot your way, move the seven down table, and end up like the position you show. all balls frozen, even the cue ball, or even real close to that. the speed control for all aspects of this shot is just not feasible. this is not the right play imo.
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Ignoring all the "freezing"...this is an easy shot to hook your opponent with. I can do it one-handed jacked up better then 50% and still keep the 7 by the cluster. It is NOT difficult. Try it.
 
AZE said:
I learned of the shot from Mario Cruz - and about a week after I learned the shot, I actually came into this diagrammed situation. Race to 7 for $300. The score was 6-6... I had him on two, and I get left like that... so I shoot it and leave him like this

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Dead-Poke definitely came closest - he had the idea right, but I guess he didn't notice you could tuck the 7 in the 8-9, which takes away about 1/2 the ball for the kick... which makes it more difficult to hit.
DeadPoke, iHop's on me next time you're around here.

I see a lot of people (here and in the pool hall) thinking the right shot is shooting the 7 down the rail and drawing to break up the 8/9. I'm not saying you're wrong -- but I'd bet even money against you doing it shot-for-shot and running out on most tables.

RandyG, joking? You're supposed to add an LOL or JK or some other computer lingo to let us know man, I'm confused!!!!!
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So he made the kick but opened up the balls and you ran out?
 
memikey said:
Absolutely brilliant! Not the shot......... the flippantly casual way you retrospectively throw in a previously ommitted piece of information which is central to the choice of shot question you posed:rolleyes:

I'm going to pose one now.......what's the best pool room in town? Post your suggestions here.

PS....I'll let you know which town about two pages later at the same time as I tell you the answer:) :p
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LOL.. Yup.. This post pretty much sums up my thoughts on the solution.... :D :D :D

Russ
 
It really doesn't matter if the guy is on 1 or 2.... actually it doesn't matter if he was on any at all (provided the cue ball laid perfect for it). I'm shooting this shot. If the guy is on one, you're leaving him with a hard kick, and if he makes it you're more then likely going to run out... if he doesn't, you've got an easy safe, and if he doesn't hit it again you win, and if he does you're probably going to run out.
Until someone provides a better solution (I haven't seen one that is better IMO) then I'm sticking with this one, in all circumstances...

The most important part isn't tying up the 7/8/9, it's the titty hook, but it is entirely possible and plausible to tie the 7 up with the 8/9. I've only set this shot up 18 dozen times and done exactly that.

To finish the story he kicked and missed... I personally like the 2-railer for that shot, and he tried to hit it one rail.

Hope everyone learned something.
 
I agree with Skins, skim the ball down towards the other two and go one rail back behind them. If you draw the cueball into the balls, the 9 ball will bump the 8 out a little and it will not end up straight in.
 
Yeah, I was also looking for the highest percentage shot to WIN the game, not pussy out on an archaic 3-foul rule BS.

There is a reason why most Leagues and Tours have done away with the 3-foul rule in 9-ball. This is a prime example of that.

3-foul debate aside, your "solution" is not the best play. Any great kicker will not only hit the 7, but leave you tough - probably starting several kick/safety shots before someone opens the window. That's a 50/50. No thanks.

I'm glad you won with it, I guess. But I wouldn't rely on that shot against a strong player.

Personally, I would bank the 7 cross side and break out the 8-9 and take home the cheese. Or possibly use Bob's safety play and freeze up behind the 8-9, though a good kicker will absolutely hit the 7 2-rails and probably make it in the side.

But then again, you were trying to win by default, so you had no reason to get aggressive. :p

-von

jsp said:
As skins said, you never mentioned this in your original post. If that's the case, the answer to your question is obvious.
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AZE said:
Obviously the shot is possible... but it's VERY tough. If you feel comfortable shooting that, then by all means, shoot it - the out-come looks better then the out-come of titty hooking them.
I still think my shot is better than this option for most people, simply because it's so much easier to do - and can be repeated consistently by players at low C levels.
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i think your way is much harder from the layout you show and my shot is much easier and a better to play to to the cheese. i can perform my shot probably as easily as you say you can yours so i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and wait till we play each other so i can leave you this position and we'll find out then. if your ever in the indiana area let me know......:)
 
skins said:
i think your way is much harder from the layout you show and my shot is much easier and a better to play to to the cheese. i can perform my shot probably as easily as you say you can yours so i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and wait till we play each other so i can leave you this position and we'll find out then. if your ever in the indiana area let me know......:)
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I cannot think of ANYONE C or better who can't MASTER the shot I'm showing... and I'd bet with odds that I could grab a truck-load of C (and above) players who couldn't execute your shot with any consistency.
There is nothing hard about my shot. I learned it (and could shoot it all the time) when I couldn't run more than 3 balls.

I'm not saying you can't shoot it... And it impresses me that you can, with consistency. I just don't think the average player can.
 
Silly question

How did he get on two fouls with three balls on the table.The set up seems a little odd to me,not saying that it didn't happen.We played several sets of scotch double 10 ball last night and the three foul rule was tried at least 2 times in a set in a race to five and never got us.We played 4 sets before they quit.They even tried 3 foul'n us once with 4 balls on the table and a ball in hand wtf { lol }.I guess at 50 a man I shouldn't be *****'n.
 
try to stun the 7 maybe bank it toward the corner pocket. and follow the cueball up behind the 8+9? figure you try to disturb them and hid the cueball incase you make the 7 you get a shot at the 8
 
AZE said:
I cannot think of ANYONE C or better who can't MASTER the shot I'm showing... and I'd bet with odds that I could grab a truck-load of C (and above) players who couldn't execute your shot with any consistency.
There is nothing hard about my shot. I learned it (and could shoot it all the time) when I couldn't run more than 3 balls.

I'm not saying you can't shoot it... And it impresses me that you can, with consistency. I just don't think the average player can.
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i can shoot both. but my shot is an easier and more predictable shot imo. anytime you want to come to my neck of the woods, grab your "truckload" and we'll try it out. :)
 
Offensive or Defensive

Offensive - would be to bank the 7 cross side while caroming into the 9 and 8, it is pretty much a dead bank.

Defense- I would personally feather the seven ball on the right side with high left english on cue ball so that it goes two rails and ends up on the third rail froze behind 9 and 8 or very close to it so that opponet can only kick at seven, and if he misses you have a better chance to break out the 8 and 9 on next shot or you can play a safe again this time probably even better.....

the object is to win and not sell out if it is hill hill, and the player shooting either shot has to be confident in his ability to try either one, but I am assuming that the player is at least a b+ and above......
 
EXACTOMONDO!

I think this is exactly 2 of the options posted by Bob J, but his references to compass directions made them too confusing.

Good choices!

-von

pletho said:
Offensive - would be to bank the 7 cross side while caroming into the 9 and 8, it is pretty much a dead bank.

Defense- I would personally feather the seven ball on the right side with high left english on cue ball so that it goes two rails and ends up on the third rail froze behind 9 and 8 or very close to it so that opponet can only kick at seven, and if he misses you have a better chance to break out the 8 and 9 on next shot or you can play a safe again this time probably even better.....

the object is to win and not sell out if it is hill hill, and the player shooting either shot has to be confident in his ability to try either one, but I am assuming that the player is at least a b+ and above......
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