Who made the first jump shot ? Cue ?

Oh man the jump rod was so awesome..

In the early 90s I had one (still have it actually) made by joe porper.

The cue would allow for trivial jumps at very short distances. An idiot could use it. The problem with the jump rod is the huge tip prevented you from really doing much with the cueball. You could definitely clear anything and pop over balls at very short distances though.

Also, it was a hilarious looking gadget.
 
To the best of my limited knowledge, Pat Fleming had the first makeshift jump cue, and Pete Tascarella was the first cuemaker to build a specific jump cue for sale. I haven't heard timeline that contradicts these.

All controversial, of course.
 
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Jump shots have been around for a couple of hundred years.

Jump cues something different.

randyg
 
Cornerman said:
To the best of my limited knowledge, Pat Fleming had the first makeshift jump cue, and Pete Tascarella was the first cuemaker to build a specific jump cue for sale. I haven't heard timeline that contradicts these.

All controversial, of course.
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Heubler (not a custom cuemaker obviously) was selling a break jump cue back in the early 90s. Something like 91 or 92 I wanna say.
The jump pipes with the fat tip and plastic handle (it was literally a piece of pipe) flooded the Philly area around the same time, 91, made by a local guy, Tony Pagano Sr. (Just a player, not a cuemaker)
Jump rods, especially thinner jump rods with hard composite tips, followed I guess around a year or 2 later, some of them sold by Ron V.
As in Ron V. from 90/90-"aim by the lights", otherwise known locally as "restaurant Ron"
Dunno if Ron partnered with that local guy or not, but my memory is kinda thinking that they did, and Ron was the guy selling them while the other guy made them.
Never saw any specific jump cues like The bungee jumper till around 96 or later I wanna say.

What does your timeline look like for what you mentioned?
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Heubler (not a custom cuemaker obviously) was selling a break jump cue back in the early 90s. Something like 91 or 92 I wanna say.
The jump pipes with the fat tip and plastic handle (it was literally a piece of pipe) flooded the Philly area around the same time, 91, made by a local guy, Tony Pagano Sr. (Just a player, not a cuemaker)
Jump rods, especially thinner jump rods with hard composite tips, followed I guess around a year or 2 later, some of them sold by Ron V.
As in Ron V. from 90/90-"aim by the lights", otherwise known locally as "restaurant Ron"
Dunno if Ron partnered with that local guy or not, but my memory is kinda thinking that they did, and Ron was the guy selling them while the other guy made them.
Never saw any specific jump cues like The bungee jumper till around 96 or later I wanna say.

What does your timeline look like for what you mentioned?
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Meucci had their jump cues in the late 80's catalog.

Tascarella sold his first jump cue in 1976, the same year he saw Fleming jumping with a sawed off house cue.

Freddie <~~~ can't jump
 
Cornerman said:
Meucci had their jump cues in the late 80's catalog.

Tascarella sold his first jump cue in 1976, the same year he saw Fleming jumping with a sawed off house cue.

Freddie <~~~ can't jump
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Ok. Thanks.
I have no clue about anything before 1989 as I had never set foot in a poolroom before then.
 
Anyone have video of jumpin Sammy Jones playing in the Jones Zone other than that Trick Shots VHS from the 80's?

The only videos I see online are of Sammy sitting in the crowd during the 80's U.S. 9 Ball Championships and the 90's when Loree Jon is playing.
 
Yeah but can you use the arrow with ghost ball contact patch to jump?

:D

JB Cases said:
Nope. Huebler, Joss, Meucci all made Jump cues and Meucci put out a tape with Sammy Jones teaching people to jump.

Only when jump cues got really effective, like chalk did for tips, did people start whining.

Jumping with ANY cue is a skill. Modern jump cues make jumping possible just like a chalked tip makes spin possible. Neither one takes the shot for the player.

When a jump shot is played ALL of the factors for a pool shot are still present, speed and spin have to be chosen AND the player has to add trajectory to the mix so jumping is actually HARDER than a regular pool shot.

Then you have jump bank shots, jump kicks and jump masse' shots.
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Cornerman said:
To the best of my limited knowledge, Pat Fleming had the first makeshift jump cue, and Pete Tascarella was the first cuemaker to build a specific Jim cue for sale. I haven't heard timeline that contradicts these.

All controversial, of course.
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I don't remember Tascarella being the first with a commercial jump cue. But all my formal memories of the industry start around 1985ish when I really started getting into pool in a bigger way and really really in about 1990 when I landed in Germany.

All I remember vividly from that time is that Joss sold a jump handle that would attach to their shafts and Meucci sold a jump cue (with points) that was basically a short fat but attached to a regular shaft.

Not sure who made the first jump-break commercially but I think it was Huebler. They had a sort of quick release that you had to line up dots on and twist to secure it. Around that time Falcon also came out with a jump break.

Some people credit Florida cue maker Rick Howard for coming out with the jump break.

When I showed my homemade jump handle to my pool league friend in Germany in 1990 he made a handle of his own out of steel that was shorter and heavier and I ended up with it. On a trip to Florida in 1991 I met Rick Howard and traded him that piece for a rewrap job and he made his first steel jointed cue out of it.

IIRC There was a segment on one of the Mike Sigel videos produced by Joss that featured their jump handle/shaft and how to use it.
 
The jump shot must've been around for a long while, because to my knowledge the governing body of snooker banned it at that game back in the late 50's or early 60's.

I had always heard that Pat Fleming was the first to create the jump cue, and that Rick Howard was the first to come out with the three-piece jump break cue. I know Johnny played with one of his break cues for a long time.
 
There was a guy here in Columbus Ohio in 1967 that could jump his cueball over a full ball, from the kitchen, pocket a ball close to the corner pocket and draw his cueball back to the head rail with pace on it .
He was not even in the top 5 players in town but he had one of the best strokes I have ever seen to this day.
He used a weird slipstroke!
He cranked his wrist up several times to get power and then unloaded it , it was pretty awesome to watch.
He made a draw shot that to this day , no one believes me when I show it to them . It's enough that I saw it and know that it happened for me.
Cueball is in top left corner pocket , object ball {the eight ball} is about an inch and a half or two inches off the rail about 2 diamonds from the opposite corner pocket.
The nine ball is in the middle of the table on the head rail.
I figured it would take a pretty nice shot to draw to the side rail he was shooting from and get a tough cut shot down the rail on the nine.
He jacks up his full cue , pumps the wrist up 5 or 6 times and hits the ball really hard.
Cueball does a grand masse into the object ball and draws straight back like its on a string for a roll in nine ball down the rail into the pocket he just shot out of .
It was one of the greatest shots I ever saw in 50 plus years of watching all the champions.
Of course it was a whacko shot , that was why he couldn't beat the better players , he played well enough , he just couldn't lay off the circus shots.
But man, when they go in it's awesome.
 
fish2 said:
Was there any controversy when it was done ?
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Earl has said in at least one interview that he pulled out his jump shot and players were trying to call a foul on him for it saying that could not be legal to do.

Reminds me a bit of when Eddie VanHalen did his tapping thing, he used to turn his back to the audience so people would not copy him off but eventually it was put out there.
 
Anyone ever hear of a man named Bob Leonard? (sp?)
He has some jump cues that he designed that have a shaft and a short reverse tapered handle.
He told me he made the 1st cue of that design which was used by Mike Massey until one of the big names copied it for Mike.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Earl has said in at least one interview that he pulled out his jump shot and players were trying to call a foul on him for it saying that could not be legal to do.

Reminds me a bit of when Eddie VanHalen did his tapping thing, he used to turn his back to the audience so people would not copy him off but eventually it was put out there.
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Legend has it, Earl was on the road playing Billy Graves from San Diego. Billy pulls off a great jump shot on him. Earl was stunned and asked Billy to show him how to shoot the shot. Next thing you know, Earl is seen jumping at major events.
 
Earl was the first one to do it and use it on a regular basis in competition. He was the first person I ever saw use the jump shot effectively. He was a trailblazer in this regard.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Kim Davenport had a Gus Szamboti jump cue.
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According to Barry Szamboti Gus made only one jump cue and it was not made for Kim Davenport it was made for a local player known as "Big Jim".

This is the cue.

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billiardcue said:
According to Barry Szamboti Gus made only one jump cue and it was not made for Kim Davenport it was made for a local player known as "Big Jim".
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If it's the same Big Jim I'm thinking about, he went on to be a pretty good cuemaker himself.
 
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