Who Made This GORGEOUS Old Sharp Splice Cue?
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The butt cap had been replaced. For all anyone knows, the butt broke loose at the metal ring and the the person who did the repair didn't re-align the rings and was in fact.....the "hack".
Sure this is a possible scenario. Little thin if you ask me, but still possible.
But i've seen enough meuccis that had spinning rings and spinning buttcaps.
That's what always pops into my mind when i see rings like that. The junk cue scenario.
Just because you have the best ingredients, doesn't mean you are a gourmet chef.
Points might be the greatest points ever made. Doesn't stop the fact that a hack did the rings on the butt.
The rings are offset so that the line in the upper ring bisects the lower ring perfectly to give a checkerboard type of fit instead of something that would be akin to jailbars and look way different.
That was not negligence or a mistake, and it looks alot better then it would if they lined up.
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SUPERSTAR, are you just trying to soften the price so you can snap it up as the centerpiece of your collection?
SUPERSTAR, are you just trying to soften the price so you can snap it up as the centerpiece of your collection?
Ya got me.
Not one with messed up rings, that's for sure.
But after this thread, i'm gonna go out and buy a cue made by a master that has the MOST mess ups that i can find. None of the rings line up with any other ring, points of various lengths, veneers all messed up, inlays in the butt not aligned with the points, shafts that hang over one side more then the other at the joint.
I mean, it's all about the rock solid construction and the hit anyway, right?
All I know (besides what I can see) is that this cue has to have been made before 1976. The points are dead sharp and even, the veneers are perfect, the inlays well placed and centered. The wrap is Cortland Penn. Ernie Gutierrez guessed that it could be a Burton Spain arm, but also suggested Helmstetter made some great splices in his early American days. I love love the stacked veneers in the butt. I think the diamonds are ivory and they seem to be pantograph cut.
Who knows and what do you know?
Thanks
Kevin
Don't want to be captain obvious however there are some things to look at in this cue. Forget 1976, show me anyone before 1986 that was making ivory diamonds and show me the cue. They just do not show up that often or at all. Second, no cuemaker (decent) is going to leave the window veneers on just one side of that window. It would have been mirrored on both side of the black, so that it would have been equal. The single blue veneer is out of place under the maple block rings, that as pointed out are not in alignment. The diamonds in the butt look to be very different than the ones in the forearm.
JV
You can't say this stuff. This is a MASTERPIECE collectible! This is BLASPHEMY!
How dare you.
Should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting it.
Not one with messed up rings, that's for sure.
But after this thread, i'm gonna go out and buy a cue made by a master that has the MOST mess ups that i can find. None of the rings line up with any other ring, points of various lengths, veneers all messed up, inlays in the butt not aligned with the points, shafts that hang over one side more then the other at the joint.
I mean, it's all about the rock solid construction and the hit anyway, right?
Your answering a question with a question really has me curious now. What kind of cue do you play with?
Oh i see.
Anyone who doesn't play by your rules is a troll.
Haha.
Don't see how what i might play with has any bearing on the fact that the rings on this cue are messed up. (amongst other things)
And knowing isn't going to magically make the rings on this cue line up all of a sudden.
But i betcha i can go dig out an ancient Taiwan job junker cue from the closet that has rings, and the rings will line up better then the rings on the cue in this thread.
Joe
I just left a cue maker's shop who was inlaying notched ivory diamonds (I'm not sure these are ivory in this cue though) in his cues in the 60s. 70s, and 80s, so I never think of that stuff being that rare, but besides Ernie, Tad and maybe Palmer and Paradise (none of whom made this cue) maybe it was rare? Your pointing out that the diamonds are different makes me go back to the arm being from a master. I was trying for Spain (at Ernie's suggestion) but Tate shot that down pretty good.
As far as the veneers being asymmetrical (again an argument for the butt being added by a different maker) didn't I just see a Chudy like that? Chudy started working on Spain's blanks back in the 70s, so maybe I'll attribute this to him!
Myself, with no proof whatsoever other than eyeball, think this is an early Helmstetter cue, when he was tinkering with Hart and before he started Adam. To me it just has that look. Unfortunately, it sounds as if Richard is not in a position to be bothered much these days.
I do know one thing for sure, this cue will bring over $50 at auction.
Thanks
Kevin
I really don't think so unless it's a very early Huebler. I've never seen Paul make a piloted steel joint cue and of course he used the nylon inserts. When he made steel joints, everyone I've ever seen was flat faced. It could have been a cue made by any new & experimenting cuemaker before he developed his standards, or possibly repaired/modified by someone. Some cues are destined to be "mystery cues" simply because all cuemakers do some experimentation in their early years unless they are trained by another cuemaker to do things a certain way. I'm still leaning towards Dick Helmstetter but you may never know for sure.
Sherm
Sherm
He was answering my question about the cue in his avatar, a way cool Huebler with a yin/yang motif in the butt.
Thanks
Kevin