Who makes a low deflection shaft that isn't laminated?

[Flex]

MasonH can make you a shaft that has lower deflection and feels jst like it should

Will it retain that great pingy sound after the modification? Can he modifiy an existing shaft and retain everything related to feel and sound but lower the cue ball squirt/deflection?

 

[poolplayer2093]

Will it retain that great pingy sound after the modification? Can he modifiy an existing shaft and retain everything related to feel and sound but lower the cue ball squirt/deflection?

you want it to feel and sound like an unmodified shaft but play like a LD shaft? you're asking too much

 

[Flex]

you want it to feel and sound like an unmodified shaft but play like a LD shaft? you're asking too much

Can't blame me for asking!

I have an OB-1, plays just fine, however the feel and sound of it don't turn me on, plus it's less powerful than the shaft I usually play with now, an 11 mm tipped, long pro tapered, short ferruled one. It plays just fine, and feels and sounds good too.

One never knows what a good cuemaker might come up with.

Flex

 

[RBC]

A few things to remember

If you drill out the end of a conventional cue shaft, it is very hard to stress relieve it in the process. What this means is that there is a high likely hood that it will warp. Not all of them but too many of them to build them in quantity. Also, you have to be careful about violating Predator's patent. Be very careful here. They have been to court before!

Feel and sound. Feel and sound are 2 different things. Feel comes from low frequency vibrations which are lateral, meaning that the cue shakes side to side in your back hand. Sound comes from High frequency vibrations. These are Sound Waves that move up and down the cue several thousand times a second and cannot be felt. This sound over powers the feel and you start to listen to the hit instead of feeling for it. Try playing with ear plugs and you will find out what feel is all about.


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com

 

[manwon]

A few things to remember

If you drill out the end of a conventional cue shaft, it is very hard to stress relieve it in the process. What this means is that there is a high likely hood that it will warp. Not all of them but too many of them to build them in quantity. Also, you have to be careful about violating Predator's patent. Be very careful here. They have been to court before!

Feel and sound. Feel and sound are 2 different things. Feel comes from low frequency vibrations which are lateral, meaning that the cue shakes side to side in your back hand. Sound comes from High frequency vibrations. These are Sound Waves that move up and down the cue several thousand times a second and cannot be felt. This sound over powers the feel and you start to listen to the hit instead of feeling for it. Try playing with ear plugs and you will find out what feel is all about.


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com

If you drill out the end of a conventional cue shaft, it is very hard to stress relieve it in the process. What this means is that there is a high likely hood that it will warp. Not all of them but too many of them to build them in quantity. Also, you have to be careful about violating Predator's patent. Be very careful here. They have been to court before!


Royce, I have to disagree with you, in fact I build cues and one of the stress relieving processes that has been used for years is exactly the same principle, and that is coring. Once any wood is cored it is totally stress relieved, and that is what the coring process is designed to do, along with allowing you to add weight forward no matter what type of wood you are using. Which also allows a cue maker to easily make the balance point of his cues where he wants to place it, or wherever the customer wants the balance of the cue to be.

I have made many many Low deflection shafts that perform as well as any others being made, without using any type of pie or any other form of lamination. The trick to drilling out any standard shaft and making it low deflection is finding the right material to use as a core, and this takes time and experimentation. The material used must be light, and strong enough to support the wood surrounding the cored area to prevent the break down of the wood fibers in the walls of the cored area.

There is no Patent infringement for drilling out the front end of a non-laminated shaft and adding a core and a light weight ferrule. There is no reason to use the same materials that are used by Predator or any other company producing LD Shafts, lets face it this is not rocket science.

I think in the near future many cue makers are going to realize how easy this process really is, and similar shafts to those being made commercially will become the standard sold with their cues.

Respectfully

Craig W. Rittel

 

[manwon]

Have you found the way for a shaft that has been modified the way you suggest to have the same or similar feel and hit as an unmodified shaft?

Flex

Flex, I think that is always going to be the Holy Grail, and I am uncertain if it is possible. But who knows, as long as Cue Makers keep experimenting amazing things will continue to happen. The biggest problem I see in this industry is that too many people choose to stay between the lines and try things that are not excepted. This more than anything else limits forward strides that will bring us closer to finding solutions to problems like the one above.

Take Care