Who makes best maple shafts?

The whole discussion about "who makes the best shafts" is nonsense, for the most part.

Every shaft is a "different" piece of wood with its own characteristics.

Nobody can expect every shaft to feel or play like the one the maker made right before it...even if it is the same specs.

Assuming makers have access to "somewhat" the same quality of wood, the only thing distinguishing one makers shafts from another is the taper, ferrule, and tip.

If you like a particular taper, then a shaft of a different taper usually is out of the question, so why go to a different maker? Do you think their wood is better? If you convince them to recreate the same taper as your original shaft, do you think it will play better than the original?

The whole "hit" of a shaft can be changed by changing the ferrule and/or the tip.

People need to "experiment" with what they have before they go searching for a new "Holy Grail" shaft.

Assuming that shafts could hit the same, my first preference is the taper and feel of the shaft in my bridge hand. I don't care how good a shaft hits if it doesn't "feel right" when I bridge with it, I don't like it as a player.

I don't like skinny shafts with a super long straight taper and I don't like shafts with a fast rising taper starting close to the tip. I like something in between.

As far as hit goes, I like a "muted" hit. I don't like loud, "plinking", shafts. That is usually caused by the tip, ferrule, or combination of the both.

Years ago, when I worked in a pool hall as a teen and did maintenance on the cues, I always had a cue with a shaft that was "perfect" for me. I would change tips, ferrules, and tapers over and over on multiple house cues until I made one that I "liked". If I had a small lathe, I'd do that today.

I don't need a cue, nor a shaft, today, but I'm still interested in getting a wood shaft built for one of my old cues and I'm debating who to get to do it. It will have to be someone who makes super-tight, perfect-fitting, compression joints for a 5/16-14 butt.

I have two shafts that fit it perfectly now, but one is a Predator 314-2 FAT shaft and the other is a regular shaft with a taper I don't like. The taper is described as a "modified Predator parabolic taper"...whatever that is. It feels "weird" in my bridge and I don't like the way it plays. It is a little too "flexible" for my liking and I don't like the "hit", which I think is mostly caused by the ferrule. I could change the ferrule and/or tip out, but that still wouldn't fix the "flex", nor the "feel" in my bridge.

I'm thinking of going "old school" with a Balabushka-type taper of 10-10 1/2 inches, but I haven't decided who is going to build it yet. Tasc comes to mind, but I'd be open to having Eric Crisp make it, if he makes the kind of joint I want...he usually makes flat-faced joints.

If I could pick up a used shaft that fit it perfectly and I liked, I'd be all over it. There aren't a lot of options here in Hawaii.
 
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I don't know anything about the best shaft but I do know my shaft blanks I bought from

Atlas twenty years ago turn out to be great shafts when I'm done with them.



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The whole discussion about "who makes the best shafts" is nonsense, for the most part.

Every shaft is a "different" piece of wood with its own characteristics.

Nobody can expect every shaft to feel or play like the one the maker made right before it...even if it is the same specs.

Assuming makers have access to "somewhat" the same quality of wood, the only thing distinguishing one makers shafts from another is the taper, ferrule, and tip.

If you like a particular taper, then a shaft of a different taper usually is out of the question, so why go to a different maker? Do you think their wood is better? If you convince them to recreate the same taper as your original shaft, do you think it will play better than the original?

The whole "hit" of a shaft can be changed by changing the ferrule and/or the tip.

People need to "experiment" with what they have before they go searching for a new "Holy Grail" shaft.

Assuming that shafts could hit the same, my first preference is the taper and feel of the shaft in my bridge hand. I don't care how good a shaft hits if it doesn't "feel right" when I bridge with it, I don't like it as a player.

I don't like skinny shafts with a super long straight taper and I don't like shafts with a fast rising taper starting close to the tip. I like something in between.

As far as hit goes, I like a "muted" hit. I don't like loud, "plinking", shafts. That is usually caused by the tip, ferrule, or combination of the both.

Years ago, when I worked in a pool hall as a teen and did maintenance on the cues, I always had a cue with a shaft that was "perfect" for me. I would change tips, ferrules, and tapers over and over on multiple house cues until I made one that I "liked". If I had a small lathe, I'd do that today.

I don't need a cue, nor a shaft, today, but I'm still interested in getting a wood shaft built for one of my old cues and I'm debating who to get to do it. It will have to be someone who makes super-tight, perfect-fitting, compression joints for a 5/16-14 butt.

I have two shafts that fit it perfectly now, but one is a Predator 314-2 FAT shaft and the other is a regular shaft with a taper I don't like. The taper is described as a "modified Predator parabolic taper"...whatever that is. It feels "weird" in my bridge and I don't like the way it plays. It is a little too "flexible" for my liking and I don't like the "hit", which I think is mostly caused by the ferrule. I could change the ferrule and/or tip out, but that still wouldn't fix the "flex", nor the "feel" in my bridge.

I'm thinking of going "old school" with a Balabushka-type taper of 10-10 1/2 inches, but I haven't decided who is going to build it yet. Tasc comes to mind, but I'd be open to having Eric Crisp make it, if he makes the kind of joint I want...he usually makes flat-faced joints.

If I could pick up a used shaft that fit it perfectly and I liked, I'd be all over it. There aren't a lot of options here in Hawaii.

I cant agree 100% but mostly I do.
Some cue makers care about what wood to use while some dont unless you buy expensive cue.
I got cue from a top cue maker and you could bent top of the shaft with 2 fingers, that wood was so bad.

" feel of the shaft in my bridge hand" this is nicely said!
 
My Paul Dayton cue has an old growth shaft with a butt made of heartwood. You can really tell the difference in the hit.
 
I agree with post #21 by Hawaiian Eye. However I did not want to clog up the thread with a quote.

The best maple shaft I ever used was on a friends old Joss cue. I offered him $2000 for it, which he refused!!

Yep it was that special. I spoke to Dan Jane’s about it and he was as honest as ever when he said that there is no way of knowing when or what makes a wood shaft the best thing since Coca Cola!

Ring counts and all the other descriptions tossed around are just opinions. Kind of like mine on my friends shaft. I did back it up with cold hard cash though.

As Dan told me, sometimes a piece of wood can turn into a magic wand and if I knew what it was I’d make them all day!
 
I don't understand the science around what makes one shaft superior to another, but I do belive some cue makers do. I have lots of cues and lots of shafts, and while the cheap shafts may look the same, they don't hit anything like a shaft from a legendary cue maker.

On a side note, the cost of shafts is getting obscene. IMHO, only collectable shafts are worth $400 plus.
 
You’re not kidding on Shaft prices. I looked into having a shaft built for a Scruggs butt and the one I decided on before being quoted was $450. Not happening if I can’t try it first. I’ve never used the guys cues or shafts before, but was highly recommended.
 
What do you guys think who makes best hitting maple shafts?
Also what tapper?
Production easily mezz for most people or if your into thin shafts the predator S tuned is amazing. Taper is all personal preference I like a long pro taper and since I am taller I only buy 30 inch shafts.
 
Thank you for your input it is appreciated. I’m hoping for custom
Builder recognition.
 
Give Bob Dzuricky a call if you haven't already.

Nice taper, lightweight strong Tomahawk ferrules, low deflection playabilty.

Shafts should stay straight for you as well.
 
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Hands down-Viking Vpro. Under 12mm with “old Viking” taper. It’s almost a straight taper for 8-10” then tapers up. flexible but not real whippy.

I personally think Viking makes awesome shafts. Can’t go wrong with a VPro. Aged 5+ years according to them. And I’ve gone through 5 of them. Only 1 of 5 that I didn’t care for. Other 4 all play(ed) the same.
 
Hands down-Viking Vpro. Under 12mm with “old Viking” taper. It’s almost a straight taper for 8-10” then tapers up. flexible but not real whippy.

I personally think Viking makes awesome shafts. Can’t go wrong with a VPro. Aged 5+ years according to them. And I’ve gone through 5 of them. Only 1 of 5 that I didn’t care for. Other 4 all play(ed) the same.
Seriously good info, nobody here will ever compliment big companies. I appreciate it. A good friend of mine is married to Robin, Gordies
daughter. She’s are accountant and knows some shit I’d love too
 
Whatever default shaft came on my pechauer stick. I've had some people at the hall who play with low deflection praise it when they've tried it.

When I had a lesson a few years ago, the instructor was surprised on how good it hit.
 
One company that delivers for 60 plus years!! I loved my Pro-H, wish I still had the thing, want fooling anyone anyway!
 
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