Who thinks earl called the 2
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Didn't know APA had straight pool tournaments. People will argue that if you foul but your opponent didn't see it. It's OK to keep shooting. Same here. Even if he called the 2 but obvious he was playing the 10. Who would feel good about calling someone on that. Win at any cost. Even your pride.
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It's a professional tournament, so whatever the correct ruling is should apply.
The facts:
1) Earl clearly called the 2, no one can seriously argue against that.
2) He intentionally shot the 10
3) The referee/tournament director didn't hear the call so went with presumably the only decision they could and award the shooter the benefit of the doubt
If of course the rule states that an obvious shout outranks an incorrect call then perhaps Earl is in the right, but that seems unlikely.
Yes Jayson called out a foul due to a technicality, but this is supposedly professional sport, people should do exactly that....it's not a bar league where you can let the odd rule slide!
The facts:
1) Earl clearly called the 2, no one can seriously argue against that.
2) He intentionally shot the 10
3) The referee/tournament director didn't hear the call so went with presumably the only decision they could and award the shooter the benefit of the doubt
If of course the rule states that an obvious shout outranks an incorrect call then perhaps Earl is in the right, but that seems unlikely.
Yes Jayson called out a foul due to a technicality, but this is supposedly professional sport, people should do exactly that....it's not a bar league where you can let the odd rule slide!
While I totally disagree with Earl being allowed to "sit outside the arena", I just wanted to post this again, for those who are too young or don't remember how real 14.1 World Championships were run...before CW....
It's not a world championship. If it were, it would either be an invitational event, or you'd have to win your way in via a qualifier. When there really was a 14.1 world championship, there were refs on every table, on every shot. Whether the player announced the shot, or not, the ref was responsible for verbally announcing the shot to the audience BEFORE the player shot. Definitely not the case in Charlie Williams 14.1 events.
Scott Lee
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It's not a world championship. If it were, it would either be an invitational event, or you'd have to win your way in via a qualifier. When there really was a 14.1 world championship, there were refs on every table, on every shot. Whether the player announced the shot, or not, the ref was responsible for verbally announcing the shot to the audience BEFORE the player shot. Definitely not the case in Charlie Williams 14.1 events.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Lol that's a great movie btw
This post makes perfect sense and imo the true "skinny" on what happened and the problems that needs to be corrected
Players should have a right to challenge a situation when it's available on video. However, if the rule or unwritten rule implies that on obvious shots calling the wrong ball by either the referee or player then it would go to the shooter providing the pocketed ball was clearly the obvious choice.
Bill Incardona
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The video clearly shows Earl calling the 2 ball, but he had the 10 ball all the way it was a mix up there was no shot on the 2. Jayson should not have called him on that he knew what Earl was shooting but rules are rules, I think the decision was the right one just my opinion.
Can someone tell me why early always has his arm wrapped up like he got burned or he's a wanna cyborg
He usually puts weights on his arm to help him stay down on shots
Can anyone post a link to the video?
You can clearly see Earl locking in on the 10 ball. He squares up on it 4 times; you can see him looking line in and out, 100% obvious shot.
Before he shoots he points/steers his cue at his left corner pocket, you can see his eyes looking the 10 ball in, it sounds like he calls the 2 ball, while he is clearly playing the 10 ball, and this has been done by every player on the planet.
Earl had to hit the 10 ball with speed to get it to the pocket. As most know, especially in straight pool or any game, when striking a back cut with speed, the object ball is crawling to the pocket compared to cue ball speed, while the cue ball is playing ping pong.
Your biggest concern is crashing into balls that will kiss your object ball off line, a very common thing to happen, especially with that many balls on the table. Many great shots and runs have been killed by a kiss; although Earl hit it so clean the 10 had a little pace
Anybody in their right mind or wacked out mind would not be playing the 2 ball carom at 300 mph if they were going to play it. The 2 doesn’t even look possible from the one angle I saw, nothing looked appetizing except the 10.
Here is tip I learned from Steve Miz. When the balls are in the stack and your opponent is looking for a dead shot, be ready to ask what ball they are playing; ask before they get down on the shot. Players will mumble and get down real quick and shoot. If their intended ball doesn’t go in and another ball does they say they called it.
Shaw clearly knew Earl was playing the 10 ball, he was foaming at the mouth waiting to pounce on Earl's vocal mistake, and he jumped out of the chair so fast he left his brain there.
I would be embarrassed to win because Earl made a vocal error, rules or no rules, it was obvious and Shaw knew it.
Before he shoots he points/steers his cue at his left corner pocket, you can see his eyes looking the 10 ball in, it sounds like he calls the 2 ball, while he is clearly playing the 10 ball, and this has been done by every player on the planet.
Earl had to hit the 10 ball with speed to get it to the pocket. As most know, especially in straight pool or any game, when striking a back cut with speed, the object ball is crawling to the pocket compared to cue ball speed, while the cue ball is playing ping pong.
Your biggest concern is crashing into balls that will kiss your object ball off line, a very common thing to happen, especially with that many balls on the table. Many great shots and runs have been killed by a kiss; although Earl hit it so clean the 10 had a little pace
Anybody in their right mind or wacked out mind would not be playing the 2 ball carom at 300 mph if they were going to play it. The 2 doesn’t even look possible from the one angle I saw, nothing looked appetizing except the 10.
Here is tip I learned from Steve Miz. When the balls are in the stack and your opponent is looking for a dead shot, be ready to ask what ball they are playing; ask before they get down on the shot. Players will mumble and get down real quick and shoot. If their intended ball doesn’t go in and another ball does they say they called it.
Shaw clearly knew Earl was playing the 10 ball, he was foaming at the mouth waiting to pounce on Earl's vocal mistake, and he jumped out of the chair so fast he left his brain there.
I would be embarrassed to win because Earl made a vocal error, rules or no rules, it was obvious and Shaw knew it.
The link has been posted about a dozen times in various threads. You can find it if you look at a few pages back. :smile:
It's all over, check the thread by bbb it's there I know
I agree no way he playing the Carom there that fast. This is killing pool faster and faster in public eye. Cause every player not just pros who watch this try to find way to let dumb rules that have nothing to do with shooting work to their advantage.
I was in tourney recently and had this happen to me.
I just finished my shot. Other guy comes to table. He has a,25 dollar piece kamui chalk. He chalks his cue up and sets it down drops chalk on floor. He was still walking around the table not even close to the cue ball when I went over kindly picked up his chalk sat it on table for him. He called foul on me said I can't touch table while it is his turn. Are u kidding me I try help guy out so he don't break his 25 piece of chalk and he fouls me for it. What is this sport coming to it use to be gentleman's game but not anymore.
If a good lawyer becomes a pro shooter pool world better watch out he will never lose haha
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Earl pointed at the pocket for the 10 when he said, "2 ball". In his mind, he clearly meant the 10 ball, since the 2 ball obviously wouldn't go into that pocket.
Not accepting the TD decision is bad sportmanship
Based on the comments on this thread this decision could go either way. Shouldn't the point be that the Tournament Director / Referee heard both sides, understood the issue, evaluated the tape, and made the call.
Once the TD made the call, Shaw should have returned to his seat and let the shooter continue. The fact that Shaw didn't do this should have resulted in the TD ejecting him from the game at that moment.
Argue how you may, but once the Official makes the call - the dispute is over and you go back to playing or you are out! That is how it is done in every other sport. Not accepting the Official's decision is the bad sportsmanship!
Based on the comments on this thread this decision could go either way. Shouldn't the point be that the Tournament Director / Referee heard both sides, understood the issue, evaluated the tape, and made the call.
Once the TD made the call, Shaw should have returned to his seat and let the shooter continue. The fact that Shaw didn't do this should have resulted in the TD ejecting him from the game at that moment.
Argue how you may, but once the Official makes the call - the dispute is over and you go back to playing or you are out! That is how it is done in every other sport. Not accepting the Official's decision is the bad sportsmanship!