Who won AZ 14.1 State Championships?
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Neil said:
Neil, I can understand your assessment of this thread, but we are not bashing all the guys who didn't play. We are riding Cocobolo Cowboy for his never ending s--t disturbing and inane comments which apperantly have gone unnoticed by you. If you lived here, you would better understand how we have get on his case every now and then, to keep him from driving us bonkers.
Dick
PS Please 'SPLAIN to me what he has done to support pool in Arizona ?
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I know man, he's like one of the people who wanders around in a store handling everything and asking endless, shitty questions and who manages to never ever buy a single thing
I dont think there are 10,000 rated players in AZ and if there are I dont see them out so they must not be playing tourneys,I think Roger Long said something like a 1,000 were on the books.I am glad they only had 42 players at the event,if they had more then that we couldnt have been finished in 2 days.Neil said:
BigCat said:Brady,
I can't stop laughing at your new avatar!!!!!!
Holy cow... LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! "Cheezy Poofs" Brady is da man!
Ray <laughing as he types>
Edit: Added bigskyjake's transcription of the infamous "conversation" between BVal, Scott Frost, and Mitch Ellerman before a Scotch Triples tounament in Phoenix:
BVal: Yellllllllooooo
Scott/Mitch: Brady, whats crackin, we're at Scott's house playing Guitar Hero 2 and was wondering if maybe you could come over and hang out
Bval: Meh, I dunno, do you have any Cheesy Poofs over there
Scott/Mitch: I'm sending Mitch to the store right now to get some Poofs and Redbull
BVal: Yeah go ahead and do that I'll prolly roll over in a few
Scott/Mitch: sweeeeeet......BTW, is there any way you could play in a scotch triples tourney with us this weekend .....pleeeeeeeeeeze
BVal: If I can find some fly ass JP's I might think about it
Props to bigskyjake... you come up with some funny shiit!!
Had to bump this up so everyone sees the where the Cheezy Poofs thing started.
Too funny!
Ray
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Neil said:
I'm assuming you have decided to single me out on this, so with that, here is my response:
Yes Neil, you are correct. Jimmy Mendoza and I are the tournament directors, and yes I am the one who responded to his posts. Neither Jimmy, nor i, have ever bashed anyone for not playing. You are missing the whole point here.
Since Jimmy and I have started this tour, this man has done nothing but continuosly hijack every thread ever written about our tour with negativity, or things that have nothing to do with the tourney whatsoever.
He does nothing to support the tour, so in my opinion, he has no right to sit and criticize it on a daily basis. In fact, he often attempts to glorify the handicap tournaments, my guess in an attempt to draw from ours.
Quite frankly, 42 players is a success, especially for straight pool, which is not the most popular game in Arizona. Just because there are 10k + ratings members in Arizona, does not mean there are that many active players.
Again, I was not bashing this man for not playing. I'm not that type, nor do i need his support. However, it would be nice if his negativity and bashing of our tour would stop. Maybe you need to peruse the rest of the forums for all of his nonsense posts as well. There is a reason he has been kicked out before, and more than once! Hopefully, you understand that.
BTW, please locate the post where i called anyone a coward, and/or someone having no heart. IT DOESN'T EXIST! Yes, he is not supportive. In fact, he only wants to be disruptive. That is my point!
Dennis
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Cocobolo Cowboy said:
Just one of the hundreds.....ok ok...we get it, he doesn't want to be part and sees no reason for it. It doesn't need to be posted in every Desert Classic Tour Thread. Some people enjoy reading the results, stories and photos and would appreciate his going away.
In fact, let him start his own threads concerning his handicap tourneys. Then he can post back and forth to himself about them all day and we won't have to read the nonsense.
It's unfortunate, this thread should have continued with everyone congratulating Bernie Pettipiece for his outstanding straight pool play. So back on topic, CONGRATULATIONS BERNIE!
Dennis
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cocobolocowboy said:
You know, I have avoided this thread since it seemed to have taken a wrong turn somewhere. However, I feel compelled to say something here.
For starters, and to be quite blunt about it, I am sick and tired of you hijacking every thread that is started about the AZ Desert Classic Tour. In fact, you hijack a huge number of threads in this forum. If it were up to me, you wouldn't post in ANY of the threads pertaining to our tour because everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE, is sick and tired of reading your inane, incomprehensible drivel.
Here's a newsflash for you: NO ONE CARES why you don't play.
Every time you bring up your whole crap about "donating", "blah blah blah", it sounds like you are criticizing the tour for not being handicapped, and you are criticizing anyone who plays that isn't one of the favorites to win. It is my belief that a handicapped tour, and handicapped State Championships, of which we have two, would lack legitimacy. Therefore, our tournaments are not handicapped. However, we have gone out of our way to make it as appealing and competitive as we can for the people who might not be the so-called top players in the state.
Now, because you're an obvious cynic, you think that's because we want the lamb's money in the pot so that the lions can take it; and you have all but said those exact words. That isn't correct at all. The truth is, we're trying to bring something to the players of Arizona, and all of the Southwest, for that matter, since anyone can play, not just AZ residents. And here's the best part: We're doing it for FREE. That's right, my dear cynic. Dennis and I both put in work, aside from our full-time jobs and kids that are both under a year old, FOR FREE, just to have a tour here in AZ. I take offense when someone who does NOTHING to support pool criticizes me for my FREE efforts to make pool better in this state.
So, with that out of the way, I have more to say. As one of the tour directors, I would like to ask that you please do not even bother showing up at any of our events. Of course, I can't enforce that and, if you do, that's your own prerogative. However, if you do show up, just know that I would rather you not be there and I will not go out of my way to treat you any differently than I feel that you have treated me, Dennis, and our tour on this forum. So, to the rest of you reading this, don't bother trying to goad this guy into showing up at an event. We don't need people like him around, and we don't need the negativity that they bring.
Lastly, it would be FANTASTIC if you could refrain from posting in any of the threads pertaining to our tour. We already know what you think. You wouldn't donate your money, blah blah blah. Great. You don't need to show up in EVERY SINGLE THREAD and reiterate that point. We get it. Again, I can't enforce that request and, if you do post, there's nothing I can do about it but, as before, just know that you'll be somewhere that you are not wanted. Perhaps that's a situation that you're comfortable being in. I'm not sure. I know that I never like to be where I'm not wanted, so we can only hope that you feel the same way.
I feel like I should close with something more, but that's pretty much all I have to say. It's funny that you seemed to be such a supporter of the tour before it started but, once it did, you have had nothing but negative things to say, either directly or in a back-handed manner. Perhaps us not taking your advice to solicit Poore Brothers potato chip company for sponsorship upset you? Whatever the case, like I said, it would be great if you'd just go away as far as the tour is concerned, both online and in person.
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I haven't read this entire thread. To be honest, when the back and forth stuff with CocoboloCowboy started, I lost interest.
However, just to quickly respond to your post, I believe you will find that hijacking threads is a specialty of Mr. Cowboy's, and he seems particularly fond of hijacking the ones that have anything to do with Arizona. Since we live in Arizona, and this is where our tour is, you can find his negativity strewn about every single thread pertaining to our tour. It's unfortunate that this thread got as out of hand as you have described it but, without going back and reading the entire thread, I'd go out on a limb and say that Dennis was not criticizing Bruce (CocoboloCowboy) for not participating, but rather his constant negativity in every post started about our tour. We're all human here and, while it would be great if we could all act totally professional all the time, that just isn't realistic. For myself, I have had to bite my tongue (metaphorically speaking) in several threads that he hijacked because his constant drivel, in every single thread, is a bit offensive when I am one of the guys who is working, for free, to promote pool here. The funny thing is, Dennis is the guy who's always the professional. I'm the one more liable to get a little out of line. Maybe I'm happy I didn't read the entire thread. I might not have been able to stop myself.
However, just to quickly respond to your post, I believe you will find that hijacking threads is a specialty of Mr. Cowboy's, and he seems particularly fond of hijacking the ones that have anything to do with Arizona. Since we live in Arizona, and this is where our tour is, you can find his negativity strewn about every single thread pertaining to our tour. It's unfortunate that this thread got as out of hand as you have described it but, without going back and reading the entire thread, I'd go out on a limb and say that Dennis was not criticizing Bruce (CocoboloCowboy) for not participating, but rather his constant negativity in every post started about our tour. We're all human here and, while it would be great if we could all act totally professional all the time, that just isn't realistic. For myself, I have had to bite my tongue (metaphorically speaking) in several threads that he hijacked because his constant drivel, in every single thread, is a bit offensive when I am one of the guys who is working, for free, to promote pool here. The funny thing is, Dennis is the guy who's always the professional. I'm the one more liable to get a little out of line. Maybe I'm happy I didn't read the entire thread. I might not have been able to stop myself.
Neil said:
Fast Lenny said:I dont think there are 10,000 rated players in AZ and if there are I dont see them out so they must not be playing tourneys,I think Roger Long said something like a 1,000 were on the books.I am glad they only had 42 players at the event,if they had more then that we couldnt have been finished in 2 days.
Actually Lenny what I said was "I understand there are about 10,000 listed in the Rating Book". I also know people have moved who are still listed in the book, and a few are dead who still are listed in the book. Sorry I confused you.
Also I believe Rogers list is only from people who play at Pappy?s when he was there TD.
Jimmy M. said:I haven't read this entire thread. To be honest, when the back and forth stuff with CocoboloCowboy started, I lost interest.
However, just to quickly respond to your post, I believe you will find that hijacking threads is a specialty of Mr. Cowboy's, and he seems particularly fond of hijacking the ones that have anything to do with Arizona. Since we live in Arizona, and this is where our tour is, you can find his negativity strewn about every single thread pertaining to our tour. It's unfortunate that this thread got as out of hand as you have described it but, without going back and reading the entire thread, I'd go out on a limb and say that Dennis was not criticizing Bruce (CocoboloCowboy) for not participating, but rather his constant negativity in every post started about our tour. We're all human here and, while it would be great if we could all act totally professional all the time, that just isn't realistic. For myself, I have had to bite my tongue (metaphorically speaking) in several threads that he hijacked because his constant drivel, in every single thread, is a bit offensive when I am one of the guys who is working, for free, to promote pool here. The funny thing is, Dennis is the guy who's always the professional. I'm the one more liable to get a little out of line. Maybe I'm happy I didn't read the entire thread. I might not have been able to stop myself.
First off Jimmy & Dennis I had no intention of Hi Jacking this thread, if you look at page #1 post # 14 you will see who threw the first spear at me. But I react when I feel attacked.
Up until that point all I did was ask one question about if Mailman placed, and a comment about someone had to leave early.
Secondly I will try, and not do that again what was done on this thread again. I will apologies to you for getting upset with the person who fired the first shot at me in post #14. But as I said I react when I feel attacked.
Yes I did give you an idea about Poor Bothers, and a few other potential sponsors. Weather or not you followup up on that. I have no ideas, and for all I know none of these ideas worked out for you as it has been months since I saw you Jimmy.
But to be honest when reading Dennis?s post I did get the feeling he was criticizing me for not coming out and playing, knowing well I could not win, or place.
Like I said I will apologize to both you Jimmy, and Dennis for that misunderstanding, and will say again it was not my intention to hi jack the thread, or take it off it original question: Who won AZ 14.1 State Championships.
NUFF SAID.
The real question is, did Brady find said fly ass JP's and did he go to Scott's house, bogart the ps2, eat all of the poofs and then bail after saying " I need to go grab something from my car"BigCat said:
Well I started this thread and I am pretty sure that I was the one who got it off topic as well. For that I would like to apologize to Jimmy and Dennis.
I will not apologize to CooCoo (SPOM) for anything I have said. I am tired of all his negativity. I am tired of all of his complaining but never supporting any events or doing anything about it. He is not the kind of person you can just put on ignore because, to me, that just gives him free rein to spue his unwarranted negativity.
Jimmy and Dennis put a lot of hard work into these events so people of all ratings in the southwest have events to play in. They do this because they love it, not for any money. I am one of the lesser rated players but my rating has never stopped me from playing in any of these events. Even when I was a 7 I played in the all-around events and there was no extra incentive (like the 8 and under sidepots) for a lesser rated player to play. My incentive was to make myself a better player.
In closing, Jimmy and Dennis, if I have offended you in anyway I sincerely apologize. That was not my intention. I appreciate everything that you guys do for pool here in Arizona. Both of you have been nothing but nice to me and I think you are both great people. Thanks for all that you do.
Brady
I will not apologize to CooCoo (SPOM) for anything I have said. I am tired of all his negativity. I am tired of all of his complaining but never supporting any events or doing anything about it. He is not the kind of person you can just put on ignore because, to me, that just gives him free rein to spue his unwarranted negativity.
Jimmy and Dennis put a lot of hard work into these events so people of all ratings in the southwest have events to play in. They do this because they love it, not for any money. I am one of the lesser rated players but my rating has never stopped me from playing in any of these events. Even when I was a 7 I played in the all-around events and there was no extra incentive (like the 8 and under sidepots) for a lesser rated player to play. My incentive was to make myself a better player.
In closing, Jimmy and Dennis, if I have offended you in anyway I sincerely apologize. That was not my intention. I appreciate everything that you guys do for pool here in Arizona. Both of you have been nothing but nice to me and I think you are both great people. Thanks for all that you do.
Brady
Fast Lenny said:
Being on the committee I can tell you there are a little over 14,000 players "rated" in the Arizona Ratings Committee System. I can also tell you that on the back page of every "book" that is published, there are statistics with percentages on all of the different ratings. I don't have the "book" in front of me right now, but the vast majority of all of the 14,000 players are all rated 6 (the most prevalent rating) and lower. There are only 7 10-2's in the state and only two that I know of that play in Arizona on a regular basis....
Fast Lenny said:
Roger hijacked one of the published books against the ratings committee's continued requests after requesting that he not be involved with the committee any longer and re-published people's names and ratings with his own A,B,C type ratings system translated to the Arizona Ratings System.
Neil said:
Neil,
Once again, the apparent large number of rated players in the "books" in Arizona is quite deceiving. Yes, there are over 14,000 rated players that have at least ONCE played in a handicapped tournament in Arizona. That doesn't by any means mean that they are active, or still residing in our state even. Also, as previously stated, the mass majority of the rated players in the system are 6's and below.
Someone earlier said that 8 rated players are the best of the worst, and 9 rated players are the worst of the best. I can tell you from my own experience on the tour that this thread is about, that it is TOUGH to compete in an open tournament that isn't handicapped as an 8 rated player. This being said, 8's, 9's, 10's and above make up a VERY small percentage of the total 14,000+ people in the "books", and an even SMALLER percentage of them live in the Phoenix area (where most of the tour stops are), or they don't feel like they have a chance of cashing, and the experience of playing against the state's best (and most active) players is not enough incentive to them to get in the ring and mix it up.
Sorry for the wordy reply... just catchin up...
BVal said:
Ahhh, great Tom
akinnyz said:
Ken:
Just so we all know the facts here; I did not "hijack" anyone else's published book. I didn't even borrow a book from one of the committee members. I didn't have to do any of that. The chairman of your ratings committee mailed me my own personal copy dated 12-Aug-07, a full two years after I had attended my last ratings meeting. I still have the envelop it came in as proof; the return address label reads Main Street Billiards, 8640 E. Broadway Blvd., Tucson, AZ 85710.
Why did he send me a copy? Well, I never did figure that one out for sure, but I surmised at the time that it might have been meant as an invitation to attend the meetings again. That seemed logical to me as there never was any "requesting that he not be involved with the committee any longer," as you put it. If that really was the committee's desire (for me not to be involved), they failed to notify me of it.
Now for those of you who might think that what I've done is to copy someone else's rating list, please let me clarify by saying this: I did not copy anything; I built my own list all the way. It was a lot of work. I didn't want to copy the other list because, quite frankly, I think it's outdated and it has outlived its usefulness. I also don't like the way the committee (which is made up of representatives from less than a dozen bars and pool rooms) guards that old list as though it belongs to them and them, only. It doesn't belong to anyone; it's public information. That list cannot be copyrighted, as the lead committee members would have everyone believe. If you check the copyright laws, they will tell you that "mere listings of ingredients or contents," "systems," "works consisting entirely of information that is common property and containing no original authorship" and "lists or tables," are "NOT PROTECTED" by copyright. So I built a new, updated list and put it online for the whole public to use.:thumbup: BTW, my best estimate at this point is that there may be upwards of 3,000 active competition pool players in Arizona. So far, I have over 2,100 of them on my list.:smile:
NOW:
Neil - You made some very good points. Thank you for your input.
CoCo - For some people, the purpose in playing open, non-handicapped tournaments is for testing themselves and trying to see just how good they can get. They see it as an investment in their game. Obviously, you don't see them that way, and that's OK, but you shouldn't knock those who do.
Jimmy - Not ALL of us wish that CoCo would go away. I think he's a hoot! If nothing else, he definitly livens up these forums. I even get a chuckle out of it when he insults ME!:lol:
Dick - Maybe you can learn to be a little more tolerant of CoCo. After all, didn't you learn to tolerate Everett all those years down at the Golden Cue?
Gotta go, all. Thanks for listenin'.
Roger
I had forgotten!!!
Roger,
Good point about Everett, I knew there was someone in my recent past that Coco reminded me of. (But Everett WOULD gamble, if he had the absolute cold nuts.) Also, like Coco, his elevator did not go all the way to the top.
Dick
Roger Long said:Ken:
Just so we all know the facts here; I did not "hijack" anyone else's published book. I didn't even borrow a book from one of the committee members. I didn't have to do any of that. The chairman of your ratings committee mailed me my own personal copy dated 12-Aug-07, a full two years after I had attended my last ratings meeting. I still have the envelop it came in as proof; the return address label reads Main Street Billiards, 8640 E. Broadway Blvd., Tucson, AZ 85710.
Why did he send me a copy? Well, I never did figure that one out for sure, but I surmised at the time that it might have been meant as an invitation to attend the meetings again. That seemed logical to me as there never was any "requesting that he not be involved with the committee any longer," as you put it. If that really was the committee's desire (for me not to be involved), they failed to notify me of it.
Now for those of you who might think that what I've done is to copy someone else's rating list, please let me clarify by saying this: I did not copy anything; I built my own list all the way. It was a lot of work. I didn't want to copy the other list because, quite frankly, I think it's outdated and it has outlived its usefulness. I also don't like the way the committee (which is made up of representatives from less than a dozen bars and pool rooms) guards that old list as though it belongs to them and them, only. It doesn't belong to anyone; it's public information. That list cannot be copyrighted, as the lead committee members would have everyone believe. If you check the copyright laws, they will tell you that "mere listings of ingredients or contents," "systems," "works consisting entirely of information that is common property and containing no original authorship" and "lists or tables," are "NOT PROTECTED" by copyright. So I built a new, updated list and put it online for the whole public to use.:thumbup: BTW, my best estimate at this point is that there may be upwards of 3,000 active competition pool players in Arizona. So far, I have over 2,100 of them on my list.:smile:
NOW:
Neil - You made some very good points. Thank you for your input.
CoCo - For some people, the purpose in playing open, non-handicapped tournaments is for testing themselves and trying to see just how good they can get. They see it as an investment in their game. Obviously, you don't see them that way, and that's OK, but you shouldn't knock those who do.
Jimmy - Not ALL of us wish that CoCo would go away. I think he's a hoot! If nothing else, he definitly livens up these forums. I even get a chuckle out of it when he insults ME!:lol:
Dick - Maybe you can learn to be a little more tolerant of CoCo. After all, didn't you learn to tolerate Everett all those years down at the Golden Cue?
Gotta go, all. Thanks for listenin'.
Roger
Roger,
Good point about Everett, I knew there was someone in my recent past that Coco reminded me of. (But Everett WOULD gamble, if he had the absolute cold nuts.) Also, like Coco, his elevator did not go all the way to the top.
Dick
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