Who wouldn't call a foul on themselves?

[ne14tennis]

The Other Side

To all the people that say "I don't give them a chance to be a gentlemen, I just take BIH if I know it was a foul"

If you are playing under BCAPL rules you have to ask.

A couple sessions ago one of my teammates was up and her opponent missed hitting a rail by 3 or 4 inches. She picked up the cue ball and he calls foul because she never asked. The whole team got involved and at one point I thought it might come to violence. He would not answer whether he had fouled but kept repeating that she never asked.

Like many here I wish the game was filled with only good sportsmanship.....but it isn't and if you're playing without a referee you have to protect yourself

 

[metallicane]

This weekend I had an opponent admit the following to me after our match, "You missed a foul that cost you the match." It was as though he was bragging about it.

"Excuse me?" I responded.

"Yeah, I fouled and you didn't even call it," he says.

"Obviously I didn't see it and assumed you were honest. And you're proud of this?" I asked.

"I stood up and walked around the table. I gave you a chance to say something," he boasted.

Wow... Seriously? Am I supposed to assume that getting up and walking around the table means that it's ball in hand for me? He was facing me and must've double-hit the cue ball. If it hardly moves, how can I see that?

I can honestly say that I have never knowingly fouled and not called it on myself. My conscience would never let me get away with it.

That's total BS. Why would you brag that you pulled a fast one. Pardon my French, but what a Richard.

 

[Tennesseejoe]

While I believe the integrity of the game comes from the players and it is my obligation to uphold that, there is also another side to the coin. In a refereed game, the referees call is final whether it is correct or not. That's just the way it is in other sports also.

Before play I like to agree who makes the call:the shooter or the opponent. It's just like posting the money before you play. My preference is to have the non shooter make the call because they are in a better position to see.

 

[JoeyA]

Why isn't there a rule?

Samm,
You've started a very good thread and it continues with many unique and different perspectives.

The perspectives in this thread bring one question to my mind and that is:

Should calling a foul on yourself be part of the rules of play?

If there is a rule that states that a referee may call a foul while refereeing a game, why can't there be a rule that states that the shooter is obligated to call a foul on themselves when a referee is not present?

A rule of this type might elevate the level of integrity in our sport, since it would then be expected adherence to the rules, rather than depending upon the conscience or morals of the players.

Furthermore, there should be a rule that states that the opponent may also call a foul, if there isn't one already.

JoeyA

 

[akaTrigger]

Samm,
You've started a very good thread and it continues with many unique and different perspectives.

The perspectives in this thread bring one question to my mind and that is:

Should calling a foul on yourself be part of the rules of play?

If there is a rule that states that a referee may call a foul while refereeing a game, why can't there be a rule that states that the shooter is obligated to call a foul on themselves when a referee is not present?

A rule of this type might elevate the level of integrity in our sport, since it would then be expected adherence to the rules, rather than depending upon the conscience or morals of the players.

Furthermore, there should be a rule that states that the opponent may also call a foul, if there isn't one already.

JoeyA

That would probably be under unsportsmanship conduct... which unsportsmanship conduct is not suppose to be tolerated in tournaments.

 

[ShootingArts]

good idea

Samm,
You've started a very good thread and it continues with many unique and different perspectives.

The perspectives in this thread bring one question to my mind and that is:

Should calling a foul on yourself be part of the rules of play?

If there is a rule that states that a referee may call a foul while refereeing a game, why can't there be a rule that states that the shooter is obligated to call a foul on themselves when a referee is not present?

A rule of this type might elevate the level of integrity in our sport, since it would then be expected adherence to the rules, rather than depending upon the conscience or morals of the players.

Furthermore, there should be a rule that states that the opponent may also call a foul, if there isn't one already.

JoeyA

Joey,

The rule probably should read that a player is obligated to call a foul on themselves, the other player may call a foul. That would help a few people that have slipped into gray areas, it won't affect the out and out cheaters without any moral fiber. For better or worse pool is based on a gentleman's game and when people aren't honorable there isn't much recourse sometimes.

Hu

 

[robleyf7]

i would call a foul on my self i don.t cheat i hate when i get cheated even tho if they fouled an dident admit it i still would call a foul on my self an hand them the cue ball

 

[Antfarm]

Okay, I call fouls on myself.

But, how about this situation. I'm an extremely under-ranked 9-ball player. I'm a 4 (APA) and I should be around a 7 or better. It's not my fault, I am undefeated (5-0, established) and usually crush people. In fact, I have more break and runs than anyone else in the league. Not bragging, just pointing out that my ranking isn't my fault. It's an APA mistake and they just won't raise me for some reason.

So, I'm playing this guy the other day and he was the biggest douche bag imaginable. He wouldn't stop saying sh*t the entire match and he took forever to shoot intentionally (seen him play multiple times and he was just doing it to piss me off). At one point... I thought my hit was VERY questionable and normally, I would have called the foul on myself. But, instead of paying attention to the match, he was talking sh*t about my game to everyone around him very loudly. I was already crushing him like 25-3 so I just continued to shoot (running out the rack) and won the game on the break in the next rack.

Was I wrong? What would you guys have done? I just wanted to be done with the damn match and I wanted to totally crush the guy to put him in his place. He wouldn't even shake my hand after the match... I found that pretty satisfying personally!

Greg

 

[pt109]

Whatever you have to do to win is up to you. I don't have to win that way. Karma pays you back in future victories...

You missed my point.
I call my own fouls whenever i'm sure i've made one.
But i don't want my opponent helping me.That is what cheapens
the win.I play a lot of 9-ball,so sometimes at 8-ball when i get cue
ball in hand after a scratch on the break i forget to stay in the kitchen.
One time my opponent warned me so i handed him the cue ball.
It is my pleasure to compete fiercely but within the rules.
It is dishonorable to accept charity from your opponent.
Honesty is a different thing.
I'm not too worried about my pool karma.

 

[JoeyA]

JoeyA Rule

Joey,

The rule probably should read that a player is obligated to call a foul on themselves, the other player may call a foul. That would help a few people that have slipped into gray areas, it won't affect the out and out cheaters without any moral fiber. For better or worse pool is based on a gentleman's game and when people aren't honorable there isn't much recourse sometimes.

Hu

Or maybe:

When a referee is not present for a match and a foul is committed by the shooter he must immediately acknowledge that he has committed the foul and turn the table over to his opponent, accepting whatever penalty that is required for that particular game.

When a referee is not present for the match, the opponent may also call a foul is one is committed and overlooked by the shooter.

Overall, this could "help" some of us to reinforce our moral compass. As you mentioned, a few will remain incorrigible regardless of what rules are in place.

At least it would be part of the rules. They could call it the JoeyA rule.

JoeyA

 

[Cuephoric]

I'm not willing to cheat myself or the game- If I foul, I call it or hand over the cueball. I've played alot of people that try to argue and hide the fact that they screwed up , and I've played players with integrity that feel the same way that I do about it.
Win or lose, I want to at least make the attempt at an honest effort-