Who's the best Instructor on the West Coast!

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I have a question to you readers and writers of the AZ Forum/s...

On the West Coast only, if you were to invest in an instructor for say, one year to improve your game - not just a couple of lessons, but one full year of regular and disciplined help to raise an intermediate or 'A' rated player to almost, if not completely pro level.

A couple of interesting thoughts on this:

  • Do you think it's even possible to raise that player to a pro level?
  • Would it take the help of just one instructor or several?
  • What about online courses and other sites like ProPoolAcademy.com, ZeroX or Checkbilliard.com?
  • Would age play a factor as well?

I welcome your thoughts...
 
In the San Francisco area I would suggest Tom Seymour.
Tom is a PBIA Master Instructor.

>Possibly
>A couple. One for body and several for game.
>Those are OK.
>Yes! Attitude and Aptitude.

randyg
 
I think an intermediate player and an A player would probably differ in the type of instructor who would benefit them the most.

An A player already knows how to play very well, might need a few tweeks here and there, but otherwise needs a strong sparing partner, motivational support, and maybe occasional advisement on how to manage pressure. Those would best be given by a player who has already been there done that like Dave or Santos.

An intermediate player would probably benefit more from a traditional instructor with more structured lessons and practice sessions helping him to learn the game on a deeper level and develop his stroke.
 
Although he isn't formally an instructor, I think Frank (the barber) Almanza might be one of the best at helping players understand how to improve their respective games and strategy. Very smart guy with a splendid heart and great personality. I enjoy watching him play even to this day.
 
In the San Francisco area I would suggest Tom Seymour.
Tom is a PBIA Master Instructor.

>Possibly
>A couple. One for body and several for game.
>Those are OK.
>Yes! Attitude and Aptitude.

randyg

On the PBIA web site it only says Tom is an Advanced Instructor Randy.

http://playbetterbilliards.com/tom-seymour/

On another note, I'd recommend Bob Jewett or Jospeh Meija.
 
Would Jose Parica qualify as an instructor ?
Max Eberle ?
Or the person Efren sends pupils to? Monching The Master ?
Or Al Romero ?
 
The Game is the best instructor on the West Coast.... don't you guys know that already?

Jeez.
 
Where is this 'Frank the barber' you speak of located ? Contact info ? I know some good players that have threatened to help my game.. but you know how that goes:groucho:

I am in Nor Cal SF East Bay

Thanks,
-Kat
 
Tom Seymour is currently at advanced level, but has the knowledge and experience of a master instructor (and will be soon). :thumbup: He is already a master level player.

Tommy Hill, out of Fresno, is a newly certified instructor, but has been around pool his whole life, and is a former professional player. Tommy would be someone else who could take a player all the way to pro level.

Frank "the Barber" Almanza lives down in the Los Angeles region.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

On the PBIA web site it only says Tom is an Advanced Instructor Randy.

http://playbetterbilliards.com/tom-seymour/

.
 
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Although he isn't formally an instructor, I think Frank (the barber) Almanza might be one of the best at helping players understand how to improve their respective games and strategy. Very smart guy with a splendid heart and great personality. I enjoy watching him play even to this day.

Frank is a great instructor. Understands the game and the thought processes behind it.

Is this for you Daniel, you looking to take the next step in your game?
 
I have a question to you readers and writers of the AZ Forum/s...

On the West Coast only, if you were to invest in an instructor for say, one year to improve your game - not just a couple of lessons, but one full year of regular and disciplined help to raise an intermediate or 'A' rated player to almost, if not completely pro level.

A couple of interesting thoughts on this:

  • Do you think it's even possible to raise that player to a pro level?
  • Would it take the help of just one instructor or several?
  • What about online courses and other sites like ProPoolAcademy.com, ZeroX or Checkbilliard.com?
  • Would age play a factor as well?

I welcome your thoughts...

Hi Daniel,
I have been to many instructors and I am no where near satisfied with my game. I think it has a lot to do with how much time your able to spend practicing. I recommend Vilmos Foldes. He is in Fresno now as I am sure you are aware. Maybe Oscar D. These guys are always in the top 5 on the Mezz tour. The problem I have with many pool teachers is most of them can't beat Vilmos with the 7 out. How are they going to get you to pro level if they can't do it them selves. There is an old saying, Those that can, do and those that can't, teach. The best pool instructors I know of is Burt Kinister, Torr Lowry, Ralph Eckert, Max Eberle. They all teach well and play at high levels. I wish they were all on the west coast. By the way, still looking to do some promoting on POV.
 
Would Jose Parica qualify as an instructor ?
Max Eberle ?
Or the person Efren sends pupils to? Monching The Master ?
Or Al Romero ?

I am surprised you didn't say Mika. He is down in your neck of the woods lately. Or Dave Hemma. Hell your hitten em pretty good too.
 
Hi Daniel,
I have been to many instructors and I am no where near satisfied with my game. I think it has a lot to do with how much time your able to spend practicing. I recommend Vilmos Foldes. He is in Fresno now as I am sure you are aware. Maybe Oscar D. These guys are always in the top 5 on the Mezz tour. The problem I have with many pool teachers is most of them can't beat Vilmos with the 7 out. How are they going to get you to pro level if they can't do it them selves. There is an old saying, Those that can, do and those that can't, teach. The best pool instructors I know of is Burt Kinister, Torr Lowry, Ralph Eckert, Max Eberle. They all teach well and play at high levels. I wish they were all on the west coast. By the way, still looking to do some promoting on POV.



That's why I'd say Corey Harper. A pro player who doesn't play much in tournaments anymore, but teaches on a regular basis to players of all ability levels.
 
What about seasoning?

Is it possible also that, however much instruction you take in over the course of a year should this also be tempered and tested by competition and exposure to better players? Or, do you think it's possible to isolate yourself in a garage or game-room for a year with practice, drills and lessons and simply come out of this box and into a big tournament environment?

  • Some very good suggestions, so far.
  • Mr. Barioni - I'll contact you at your website.
  • This is possibly for me, but more a social experiment that will be completely documented.
  • Jewitt, Eberle, Eckart, Dominguez, Harper, Hemmah, Seymour - All excellent suggestions!

This is not just to fulfill some narcissistic dream of becoming a pro player, but rather to tell a positive story about pool. I've seen others try to do it before too, like the gentleman from the 'Angles of Reflection' website (the name escapes me), John Nekali, who worked alot with Larry Bohn and Jaden Brock, who used the Mezz Tour to improve his game. Ii would like to tell the story of someone who can defy the odds and reach to the top. If that person is me, then so be it but this still remains to be decided on. I honestly feel like I'm too busy to really put the work in, because I'm also a pool promoter - yet at the same time I do have the unique access to these players/instructors and love the game so much that I would definitely be willing, if I could bankroll it.

So, for a little while at least - this question still prevails: Do you think it's even possible - to turn this 'player' into a pro in one year's worth of concentrated instruction?
 
What about seasoning?

Is it possible also that, however much instruction you take in over the course of a year should this also be tempered and tested by competition and exposure to better players? Or, do you think it's possible to isolate yourself in a garage or game-room for a year with practice, drills and lessons and simply come out of this box and into a big tournament environment?

  • Some very good suggestions, so far.
  • Mr. Barioni - I'll contact you at your website.
  • This is possibly for me, but more a social experiment that will be completely documented.
  • Jewitt, Eberle, Eckart, Dominguez, Harper, Hemmah, Seymour - All excellent suggestions!

This is not just to fulfill some narcissistic dream of becoming a pro player, but rather to tell a positive story about pool. I've seen others try to do it before too, like the gentleman from the 'Angles of Reflection' website (the name escapes me), John Nekali, who worked alot with Larry Bohn and Jaden Brock, who used the Mezz Tour to improve his game. Ii would like to tell the story of someone who can defy the odds and reach to the top. If that person is me, then so be it but this still remains to be decided on. I honestly feel like I'm too busy to really put the work in, because I'm also a pool promoter - yet at the same time I do have the unique access to these players/instructors and love the game so much that I would definitely be willing, if I could bankroll it.

So, for a little while at least - this question still prevails: Do you think it's even possible - to turn this 'player' into a pro in one year's worth of concentrated instruction?


I'm not even close to a pro player.....

But I am a professional artist, and from my own experience and seeing the pace of learning in other artists....to be a world class level artist with great instruction for a talented person would take on average about 5 years.

Pool and art are similar in that when you learn something new, it takes time for the new information to work its way into the way you do things. So, I think 1 year isn't long enough for all that new information to find its way into the way a person does things.

Also, I couldn't have gone from start to finish with just one instructor. Learning is not a straight line, it goes in plateaus. So to progress the fastest, you need to change up instructors to view the same problems from different vantage points.

Just my two cents from a different perspective.
 
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So, for a little while at least - this question still prevails: Do you think it's even possible - to turn this 'player' into a pro in one year's worth of concentrated instruction?

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Why not!
 
I'm not even close to a pro player.....

But I am a professional artist, and from my own experience and seeing the pace of learning in other artists....to be a world class level artist with great instruction for a talented person would take on average about 5 years.

Pool and art are similar in that when you learn something new, it takes time for the new information to work its way into the way you do things. So, I think 1 year isn't long enough for all that new information to find its way into the way a person does things.

Also, I couldn't have gone from start to finish with just one instructor. Learning is not a straight line, it goes in plateaus. So to progress the fastest, you need to change up instructors to view the same problems from different vantage points.

Just my two cents from a different perspective.

Putting a timeline on learning is a very 'human' boundary isn't it? That in and of itself creates pressure, but can be constructive when setting goals. I suppose there might also be a contingency as to how willing the player is to learn and dedicate themselves to this goal.

It would be interesting also, to see what role science, nutrition and spirituality would play in this. I believe that a good diet, good therapy, exercise and confidence building would play a key role in this transformation.
 
What about seasoning?

Is it possible also that, however much instruction you take in over the course of a year should this also be tempered and tested by competition and exposure to better players? Or, do you think it's possible to isolate yourself in a garage or game-room for a year with practice, drills and lessons and simply come out of this box and into a big tournament environment?

  • Some very good suggestions, so far.
  • Mr. Barioni - I'll contact you at your website.
  • This is possibly for me, but more a social experiment that will be completely documented.
  • Jewitt, Eberle, Eckart, Dominguez, Harper, Hemmah, Seymour - All excellent suggestions!

This is not just to fulfill some narcissistic dream of becoming a pro player, but rather to tell a positive story about pool. I've seen others try to do it before too, like the gentleman from the 'Angles of Reflection' website (the name escapes me), John Nekali, who worked alot with Larry Bohn and Jaden Brock, who used the Mezz Tour to improve his game. Ii would like to tell the story of someone who can defy the odds and reach to the top. If that person is me, then so be it but this still remains to be decided on. I honestly feel like I'm too busy to really put the work in, because I'm also a pool promoter - yet at the same time I do have the unique access to these players/instructors and love the game so much that I would definitely be willing, if I could bankroll it.

So, for a little while at least - this question still prevails: Do you think it's even possible - to turn this 'player' into a pro in one year's worth of concentrated instruction?

I've seen it happen. Guys go from pretty good players to pro players all the time. Sometimes in a short time frame. Sometimes it takes them a while.

Sure fundamentals are important. And you have to learn the ins and outs of the games and how to win at every level.

The biggest challenge though, is that you (everybody) ALREADY play at the level you want to.

If you wanted to play better. You would.

Some guys start out seeing themselves at a high level. They advance quickly and we say they have natural talent. Some guys see themselves as a good bar player and no matter how much they play and practice, and no matter what instructors they take lessons from, that's how they shoot for 40 years.

When you're playing Oscar or Vilmos, do you see yourself as the underdog who can get a couple of rolls and make it close? Do you see yourself as competitor of theirs? Do you see yourself as someone who belongs on the table with them? Do you see yourself as the favorite?

Until you change how you see your game in relation to others, your game doesn't change in relation to others. No matter how good you're making balls.

It's a bit of a chicken and egg problem because it's really, really hard to believe that you can beat someone that personal history says you can't beat. That's why people practice. At some point practice becomes less about actually getting better and more about believing that you are getting better.

What shots on the pool table have you made? All of them.
What safes do you know? All of them.
What types of english do you know how to use? All of them.
What position strategies do you know? All of them.
What patterns do you know to run out? All of them.
What speeds have you hit the cueball at? All of them.

At the level you're at you already have all the ability, knowledge, touch, and strategy to compete at that level. You've already made every shot, got every position and run out every table. You've strung multiple racks. You've made tons of shots under pressure. You've gambled and won. Gambled and lost.

The task from here is applying specific knowledge to specific gaps in your game as they pop up, and convincing yourself that you deserve it. You can do it. You belong with the big dogs.

It's more of a transformation of your heart than your pool game.
 
Putting a timeline on learning is a very 'human' boundary isn't it? That in and of itself creates pressure, but can be constructive when setting goals. I suppose there might also be a contingency as to how willing the player is to learn and dedicate themselves to this goal.

It would be interesting also, to see what role science, nutrition and spirituality would play in this. I believe that a good diet, good therapy, exercise and confidence building would play a key role in this transformation.


Sure, we're talking generalities here. There are always going to be a very very small percentage who can rise to that level very fast, and a larger percentage than that who no matter how hard they try would never make it.

Thing is, you don't know if you have the true passion, drive to dedicate yourself for the long haul along with the capacity to get that far until you try.

So, if you have the passion burning in you to get to pro level speed, then go for it and give it your all
 
Where is this 'Frank the barber' you speak of located ? Contact info ? I know some good players that have threatened to help my game.. but you know how that goes:groucho:

I am in Nor Cal SF East Bay

Thanks,
-Kat

There are some good instructors in this area. I liked the stroke drills and pre-shot routine taught by the PBIA. It gives you the tools to find your own rhythm, and monitor your own stroke.

If you're ever around the Broken Rack in Emeryville, let me know. We should shoot sometime.
 
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