Why a segregation of Male and Female in this sport?

Scott Lee said:
dave sutton...I'll accept the sarcasm. But I again, have to respectfully disagree with the "boob" comment. The real reason the women are on t.v. is because they're much SMARTER than the men. They pulled together into a cohesive unit, more than two decades ago...something that has never happened with the men (and sadly, I'm not sure ever will). The women have an effective business model, and that's what get's them on t.v. Unfortunately it has not brought them tons of money...but lots of exposure!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Finally someone that has a clue.

That is exactly right.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
That may be part of it (better business model that is) but the fact that they're easy on the eyes helps...
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I think the business model has a lot more to do with it. Not all of these women are attractive. Some are not attractive at all.

dave sutton said:
...plus the girls don't challenge one another to a fist fight during a match. Thanks earl. More then once btw.
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You've got this totally ass backwards. I guarantee if you put a mike on Earl and broadcast him at his worst, the ratings would go through the roof. People who don't even care about pool would tune in for that. The ratings would go through the roof.

The problem is that they don't broadcast enough matches with lots of Earl meltdowns, or put a mike on him so that you can here what he's saying. A fist fight would be just the thing to get the masses watching pool.

dave sutton said:
If you think the average viewer wouldn't rather see bad pool from pretty girls then good pool from goofy guys I think you sadly mistaken.
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There's no way around that, other than those hot babes they get at tome of the tournaments to rack the balls and walk around the table displaying the score after after every game.
 
dave sutton said:
if they didnt have boobs sometimes it would be unwatchable.

but thats why they are on tv instead of the guys...boobs

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I can only think of one example where this is true. We know who your favorite player is.

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Jude Rosenstock said:
Are you sure about that? I see nothing in the membership page that asks about gender.

Also, the WPC does not have a gender requirement, at least it says nothing about women who wish to qualify.


I'm sorry but unless someone can show me SOMETHING, I have to assume the only "segregation" that goes on in pool is with women's tours.
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The UPA is definitely men only. From their About Us:

The United States Professional Poolplayers Association (UPA) is The Governing Body of Men's Professional Pool in the United States. The association is based in Phoenix, Arizona, USA. Founded in 2002, the UPA is the collective effort of male professionals governing themselves within the Billiard Industry. The UPA is comprised of the best pool players from all around the world and works in conjunction with all Governing Bodies within the industry. The UPA is the first association to allow both foreign and domestic players to join in one unified voice to better move the sport of pocket billiards forward in the U.S. and even the world.

The UPA serves as the governing body for the sport of men's professional pool in the US in conjunction with the Billiard Congress of America and the World Pool Association. Our mission is:

o To elevate the standards of the professional pool player's vocation
o To stimulate interest and involvement from major media companies
o To seek major advertisers and educate the general public
o To further the progress of the sport entering into the Olympics
o To continually promote the overall vitality of the sport
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Sweet Marissa said:
The UPA is definitely men only. From their About Us:
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Not to bring up any bad memories but I know when the UPA tourney was here in Phoenix women weren't allowed to play in it. I know one woman who went to the meeting before hand and asked why but I don't remember the response/reasoning.

I have had my ass handed to me playing pool by both men and women and it stung just as bad either way. Makes no difference to me who is playing.

BVal
 
Sweet Marissa said:
The UPA is definitely men only. From their About Us:
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I know this may be a bit confusing but "segregation" is a serious accusation. The "About Us" page might describe the tour as a male tour but I'm not sure it bans women. I'm sure similar language could be found on the National Basketball Association's website but NBA teams have signed women ballplayers without incident.

Professional pool is a bit of a confusing situation since the WPBA does not permit its members from playing in many non-WPBA events BUT if a woman TRIED to play in a "men's" event, I am fairly certain that organization would be subject to abide by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title IX and Civil Rights Act of 1991.

The language you quote could simply be a description of UPA players, not necessarily the tour's code of admission. If you can find somewhere where it says women are not allowed to play OR find an instance where they turned away a player because of gender, I'll believe you but until then, this won't stand as proof.
 
BVal said:
Not to bring up any bad memories but I know when the UPA tourney was here in Phoenix women weren't allowed to play in it. I know one woman who went to the meeting before hand and asked why but I don't remember the response/reasoning.

I have had my ass handed to me playing pool by both men and women and it stung just as bad either way. Makes no difference to me who is playing.

BVal
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If that's the case, I'm shocked. I think, the only way they could make it a men's only event is if they could prove women were afforded an equal opportunity to make money playing pool in the immediate area. In otherwords, if there were a WPBA event in Phoenix, then they MIGHT have a legal leg to stand on.

I don't know. It's been SOOOOOOOOO long since I actually studied this stuff and I'm not a lawyer so I never really think about it anymore. It is shocking if that happened. There's simply no reason for it.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I know this may be a bit confusing but "segregation" is a serious accusation. The "About Us" page might describe the tour as a male tour but I'm not sure it bans women. I'm sure similar language could be found on the National Basketball Association's website but NBA teams have signed women ballplayers without incident.

Professional pool is a bit of a confusing situation since the WPBA does not permit its members from playing in many non-WPBA events BUT if a woman TRIED to play in a "men's" event, I am fairly certain that organization would be subject to abide by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title IX and Civil Rights Act of 1991.

The language you quote could simply be a description of UPA players, not necessarily the tour's code of admission. If you can find somewhere where it says women are not allowed to play OR find an instance where they turned away a player because of gender, I'll believe you but until then, this won't stand as proof.
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BVal just posted one instance in the post above yours. I'm not against the rules, personally. After all, men can't plan in the WPBA and there are plenty of tours and tournaments out there that allow play by both men and women.
 
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Sweet Marissa said:
BVal just posted one instance in the post above yours. I'm not against the rules, personally. After all, men can't plan in the WPBA and there are plenty of tours and tournaments out there that allow play by both men and women.
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I know the WPBA events require members to qualify so you'll never see them turning men away at the door. Has there been an instance were a local tour has banned a man from playing?

I'm not saying we should all go out and break the gender rules. I'm simply saying that these are organizations that would like to keep it separate but I don't think they ENFORCE segregation.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
If that's the case, I'm shocked. I think, the only way they could make it a men's only event is if they could prove women were afforded an equal opportunity to make money playing pool in the immediate area. In otherwords, if there were a WPBA event in Phoenix, then they MIGHT have a legal leg to stand on.

I don't know. It's been SOOOOOOOOO long since I actually studied this stuff and I'm not a lawyer so I never really think about it anymore. It is shocking if that happened. There's simply no reason for it.
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It did happen for sure. I didn't understand it either. I know 4 women in Phoenix that all wanted to play and were not allowed.

BVal
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I know the WPBA events require members to qualify so you'll never see them turning men away at the door. Has there been an instance were a local tour has banned a man from playing?

I'm not saying we should all go out and break the gender rules. I'm simply saying that these are organizations that would like to keep it separate but I don't think they ENFORCE segregation.
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We have two amateur tours here in Arizona. One is the AWBT (Arizona Women's Billiards Tour) where it is women only and the other is the DCT (Desert Classic Tour) who welcomes anybody that wants to play.

BVal
 
BVal said:
We have two amateur tours here in Arizona. One is the AWBT (Arizona Women's Billiards Tour) where it is women only and the other is the DCT (Desert Classic Tour) who welcomes anybody that wants to play.

BVal
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All I can find is Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It's very specific. If there's nothing gender-specific about the job, you can't descriminate by gender. The argument could be made that by banning women, you are not affording them the right to make a living as a professional pool player.

This stuff is very tricky. I'm sure there are instances of legal gender segregation. Right now, I can't think of many. Is there a lawyer in the house?
 
JesPiddlin said:
I'll tell you why and when you think about it, you'll know I'm right...

Women have always claimed to be the smarter of the 2 sexes. There are many less women who play pool than men. If you group everyone together, there is less chance of a woman winning any money.

BUT, the women have figured this out...

If they segregate their competition from the men's, the 60 men can compete for the top 2 or 3 spaces and their odds of taking home the money are slim. But, since less women play, the 8 women who compete against each other for the top 2 or 3 spaces have much better odds of taking home some money. (And they don't usually have to play nearly as well to win that money, either!)

And the men agree to let it happen, because they think they are being smarter by keeping the women out of their game. And once in a while, you will hear the complaint that women can play just as well as men. I totally agree. But, let the men have their way, so the women can make more money at the same game. The only time pool will be equal to women is when there are just as many women who play the game.
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Makes me wonder what Allison would say about male snooker players potting scores compared to the gals.
 
Alex Kanapilly said:
I agree. Also, just to clarify, I was only pointing out that at least a few women can break pretty darn hard. I personally don't think that's the reason they don't play as well as the men.

I think there are a small number of women that play better everyone but a small group of men. There's a guy here in Denver that says he'll play Allison Fisher or Karen Corr even and beat them. I told him to call me when he gets it set up because I will bet as much as he's willing to that he can't win that game. Now don't get me wrong, he's a strong local short stop but he is in no way a pro level player. He's got no chance against the top women.

The only men these women can't beat the best players in the world. The rest of us can forget about it.
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Skinner's been talkin' that for years, he'll put up one set, lose and quit, now on a bar table the gals will have a problem.
 
Bank Pool

Hearing in an earlier thread about one pocket female players, makes me ask this question, in all my years, I've NEVER heard of a great female bank pool player...why is that?
 
Because the women pro's play generally less consistent or at a lesser speed than the males. I am not knocking them, there have been many great female players, but Jeanette vs any top 20 male player would not have won.

Their game(female) is capable of the same ours is, I have noticed one thing through the years - how many male matches have people commented "this is as perfect as you can get" and why only a match or two is the same for the females.

I have seen top females dogging it on tv, playing race to 7 with 3 misses and 2-3 safety errors, and though males do it to, we tend to be more aggressive, and go for the kill, moreso than the fem's...some of the more aggressive females through the years have shared an alternative sexual orientation, which leads me to beleive the hormonal difference is valid.
 
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