why are the british the best in the world?

Sponsor money is non existant because nobody will watch in the US or Europe, the western world. It's been tried but the result is always the same. LOL at price money should be higher...Price money in snooker is high because people in the West actually watch it, so you can selll ad time. It's that simple and you understand it. Others have expressed conspiratorial views on the matter, but it's all really simple.

Many Americans have a very insular view of the world, and there is really no excuse to. It shows in how you rate the popularity of the various games. Google snooker and China, see what comes up. I guess you've been a superpower so long, you don't bother to look at any other country. I've officially given up on explaining where my country actually is to Americans, lol.

I'm not one of the snooker trolls that tries to put down pool. I love playing it and watching it as well. But facts are facts. Money brings recruitment and serious training. Recruitment and serious training=more skilled players. The level in snooker at the moment is so high that even Alex pagulayan struggles to qualify into the pro tour...And he's a top pro that actually plays snooker well. Others would have no chance at all.

I don't have an insular view at all. Facts are facts and stats are stats, and they show that American pool is the most popular participation cue sport in the world, due to our population size and the population of other countries that play it. The Philippines, where pool is the 2nd more popular sport (not cue sport, but SPORT) is nearly twice the size of England alone. Then factor in Taipei, Mexico, South America, and most of Western Europe. I've already admitted snooker is probably equally as popular as pool over in China, but I have no data, since China is tough to measure. But their female stars are massively popular and they have a few great male players, as well. And given Chinese Nationalism, I expect Chinese 8 ball to become their dominant cue sport in the next decade, which is an English/American 8 ball hybrid, but still pool.

Most people in the West watch snooker? Really? Give me some television ratings outside the UK. I bet they're abysmal. And where's all the great Western European snooker stars from Germany, The Netherlands, Scandinavia (I'm reading a blog post right now that is describing the ONLY snooker room in Sweden), and Southern Europe? Since no other Western European Country has produced a great snooker talent (like they have in pool over the past two decades) leads me to believe they don't really play it that much.

Also, pool is taking off in the Middle East from the World Championship being held in Qatar.

My comment about "prize money should be higher" implies that people in the US alone (I'm not even talking about the world) could make American pool a far larger tournament attraction than snooker is in the UK. The Selby/Ronnie final in '09 drew 5 million viewers in the UK, nearly 10% of the population. Yet, we can't get .0001 of the population to watch pool here. And snooker is a much slower, less flashy, less television friendly game than 9/10 ball (not insulting snooker, but modern tastes like flash), but it's important to British culture, so they support it, unlike how Americans have totally ignored pool over the past 2 decades.

Okay, so we're not a cue sport watching country anymore (one time, we kind of were.. The Mosconi/Fats matchup drew big numbers for ABC). So let's hit those markets where people would actually watch it, like the Philippines and Taiwan, and base the pro tour out of there.

That's my main point. There's a big potential television market there that could transform the game to snooker levels of prestige and maybe beyond, but no one has seemed to figure out how to exploit it.
 
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Brits, specifically the English, can shoot straight but they sure as hell can't kick straight.

wait, what? have you seen some of the snooker escape videos? go check out youtube channel tequila. they measure kicks pretty accurately without diamonds. on a snooker table, at least.
 
HEY,I've just found out from very informative and knowledgeable source that British are the best because they learn in school how to become the best and the special ones.
This guy told me they are very mysterious about their knowledge but he does know they are certainly very well educated in martial arts:eek::eek::eek:
 
Sponsor money is non existant because nobody will watch in the US or Europe, the western world. It's been tried but the result is always the same. LOL at price money should be higher...Price money in snooker is high because people in the West actually watch it, so you can selll ad time. It's that simple and you understand it. Others have expressed conspiratorial views on the matter, but it's all really simple.

Many Americans have a very insular view of the world, and there is really no excuse to. It shows in how you rate the popularity of the various games. Google snooker and China, see what comes up. I guess you've been a superpower so long, you don't bother to look at any other country. I've officially given up on explaining where my country actually is to Americans, lol.

I'm not one of the snooker trolls that tries to put down pool. I love playing it and watching it as well. But facts are facts. Money brings recruitment and serious training. Recruitment and serious training=more skilled players. The level in snooker at the moment is so high that even Alex pagulayan struggles to qualify into the pro tour...And he's a top pro that actually plays snooker well. Others would have no chance at all.

I missed your integrated red posts.

I'm not putting Appleton down at all. But tournament pool has a bit of variance and I like those players over him in, say, a race to 1000 over 3 months or something, playing all variations, even Chinese 8. But Appleton is the hardest working player in the pool world, so it wouldn't surprise me if he wins.

Coverage does not always equal ratings, and sometimes, ratings doesn't always equal the most popular of something. Pool participation levels are growing in the US and seem to be abroad. Just look how diverse the fields are in big pool tournaments. Snooker players are really only from the UK, Thailand, China, and Australia, and sometimes Canada.

The interest in the game is there. It is global by every metric. The viewing on television interest just isn't there, and I'm puzzled as to why. I bet if Orcullo and Reyes matched up on Filipino TV for a million, it'd easily draw 10-20 million there.
 
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Here's another gauge of snooker vs. pool popularity.

Ronnie O'Sullivan, arguably the most popular star in snooker history and one of the most popular sportsmen in the UK.

His most viewed vid on youtube clocks in at 3 million.

Efren's most viewed vid clocks in at 3.5 million.

And going down the line, their most popular vids get about the same of views.

And Efren's video is more popular than any snooker video that isn't a trick shot show. Not to mention, the most popular cue sport video on youtube is a pool trick shot video.
 
Here's another gauge of snooker vs. pool popularity.

Ronnie O'Sullivan, arguably the most popular star in snooker history and one of the most popular sportsmen in the UK.

His most viewed vid on youtube clocks in at 3 million.

Efren's most viewed vid clocks in at 3.5 million.

And going down the line, their most popular vids get about the same of views.

And Efren's video is more popular than any snooker video that isn't a trick shot show. Not to mention, the most popular cue sport video on youtube is a pool trick shot video.

:bow-down::bow-down::bow-down:
 
In the spirit of the 4th of the July, time for a bump.

The UK is indeed a top 5 cue sport country/nation, especially in tournaments, but I think the Filipinos are still the overall best. They can play 3 cushion (I don't like to penis measure the difficulty of cue sport games against one another, but 3 cushion is the hardest cue sport on the planet. The imagination those players display is unrivaled), all the major variants of American pool, and they are typically the best at one pocket and 15 ball rotation, which are probably the most difficult variants. And Orcollo did well in Chinese 8 ball, which is not a major cue sport and is basically English 8 ball on a heated 9 foot table, so of course the British contingent would do well.

Snewka this, snewka that. Great game, indeed, but the OP, like all UK cue sport fans overrate its worldwide appeal. It's not at all big outside of the UK, and probably shares cue sport popularity in Australia/Canada with English pool and American pool. I also find it funny when he said the US has a lot people who play snooker seriously. Lol no. The same handful of guys (mostly immigrants) have participated in the US Snooker Championship for the past decade. Then Corey took it up as a hobby for a year and easily beat all of them. Alex did the same thing up North. Silly games like English Billiards are even more insular (ever see a 600 point nursery carom?)

American pool is probably the "hardest" cue sport to do well in on a worldwide stage since the talent pool you have to compete against is vastly larger than any other cue sport. It's the 2nd most popular sport outright in the Philippines (a nation of 98 million) after basketball, it's of course our most popular cue sport, Taipei's most popular cue sport, it's the most popular cue sport in Western Europe sans the UK (Germany, Scandinavia, etc don't play snooker), and is probably as equally as popular in China as snooker, maybe much more so, especially with all the popular female players China has produced.

So on that point, the success of Appleton is impressive (I don't think he's the world's best pool player, just the world's best tourney player. I'd have him as an underdog against Orcollo, Ko, Alex, and a few others in a long race challenge match) but other than him and maybe Shaw and Boyes, no Brit has really impressed at the world's most competitive cue sport: American pool and its variants.

We just need to get some kind of structured league/tour going, considering how popular it is. Prize money really should be higher than snooker. It's just that no one will watch it in the US, like Brits do snooker, meaning no television ratings=no sponsors=no money. Shame.

Lol. Rubbish, all.
 
I don´t like you did bump this thread because(IMO) it is trolling thread... But good post. I agree most of your opinions. Only western europe DO play Snooker TOO.. Not like U.K but they have places and players and competitions. That differs from country to country how much it is played though.

Trolling thread? No other country comes close in producing top class cueists. The uk has produced more than every other nation combined.

You do yourself a disservice if you do not consider the reasons why.
 
I don't have an insular view at all. Facts are facts and stats are stats, and they show that American pool is the most popular participation cue sport in the world, due to our population size and the population of other countries that play it. The Philippines, where pool is the 2nd more popular sport (not cue sport, but SPORT) is nearly twice the size of England alone. Then factor in Taipei, Mexico, South America, and most of Western Europe. I've already admitted snooker is probably equally as popular as pool over in China, but I have no data, since China is tough to measure. But their female stars are massively popular and they have a few great male players, as well. And given Chinese Nationalism, I expect Chinese 8 ball to become their dominant cue sport in the next decade, which is an English/American 8 ball hybrid, but still pool.

Most people in the West watch snooker? Really? Give me some television ratings outside the UK. I bet they're abysmal. And where's all the great Western European snooker stars from Germany, The Netherlands, Scandinavia (I'm reading a blog post right now that is describing the ONLY snooker room in Sweden), and Southern Europe? Since no other Western European Country has produced a great snooker talent (like they have in pool over the past two decades) leads me to believe they don't really play it that much.

Also, pool is taking off in the Middle East from the World Championship being held in Qatar.

My comment about "prize money should be higher" implies that people in the US alone (I'm not even talking about the world) could make American pool a far larger tournament attraction than snooker is in the UK. The Selby/Ronnie final in '09 drew 5 million viewers in the UK, nearly 10% of the population. Yet, we can't get .0001 of the population to watch pool here. And snooker is a much slower, less flashy, less television friendly game than 9/10 ball (not insulting snooker, but modern tastes like flash), but it's important to British culture, so they support it, unlike how Americans have totally ignored pool over the past 2 decades.

Okay, so we're not a cue sport watching country anymore (one time, we kind of were.. The Mosconi/Fats matchup drew big numbers for ABC). So let's hit those markets where people would actually watch it, like the Philippines and Taiwan, and base the pro tour out of there.

That's my main point. There's a big potential television market there that could transform the game to snooker levels of prestige and maybe beyond, but no one has seemed to figure out how to exploit it.

Rubbish, all.

Quit trolling my thread on why the british are the best in the world.
 
Lol. Rubbish, all.

I disagree....what snooker has going for it is the WPBSA...
First, John Spenser broke the 'old boy' closed shop policy.
Then Alex Higgins caught the public's attention.
Then Mike Watterson took it to the Crucible in '77.

Up till then, snooker was a poor relative of pool.

Pool's best chance was the IPT...til the American government kiboshed it.

But pool has never had an organization like the WPBSA...the snooker players were ready
when they got a lucky break.
 
How about Earl vs. Hendry?

Earl vs. Busta (1.4 million) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTGMZVben94

Hendry vs. White (777K) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTizFFIskEI

Or Trump vs. Shane?

Trump (463K): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXxk8tBnuP0

Shane (430K): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDsAzH7Ru9k

Okay, snooker wins the last round, but it is a highlight video vs, a full match :p

Um, you DO realise MILLIONS watch snooker live on tv, right? 18.5 MILLION stayed up after midnight to watch the conclusion of Taylor Vs Davis in 1985.

I've rarely watched snooker on youtube, if ever, but have watched pool plenty of times because, and i want to be clear here, it's the only damn place you can watch it. Wasn't it you talking about facts?

Now, quit trolling my thread with tedious deflectionary drivel and start answering the question as to why the brits are the greatest cueists on planet earth. The truth will set you free.
 
Trolling thread? No other country comes close in producing top class cueists. The uk has produced more than every other nation combined.

You do yourself a disservice if you do not consider the reasons why.

Zero evidence of that. No UK cueist can play 3 cushion (by far the hardest cue game on the planet that isn't a gimmick) to save their lives. Appleton is pretty much all you got in American pool. And for much of snooker's history, it was Brits beating Brits since no one else played it. And it's pretty much still Brits beating Brits and the odd Thai or Chinese now and then.

English 8-ball? Again, Jim Rempe went over there and cleaned up, bar-b-q'ing all your champions to win a World Title like I'm going to bbq some steaks on the 4th in honor of your lost colony.

And as Colin said, who is a student of all cue games, Rempe revolutionized English 8-ball with his stroke and spin offensive game, something sissy defensive English 8 ballers never saw before.
 
Um, you DO realise MILLIONS watch snooker live on tv, right? 18.5 MILLION stayed up after midnight to watch the conclusion of Taylor Vs Davis in 1985.

I've rarely watched snooker on youtube, if ever, but have watched pool plenty of times because, and i want to be clear here, it's the only damn place you can watch it. Wasn't it you talking about facts?

Now, quit trolling my thread with tedious deflectionary drivel and start answering the question as to why the brits are the greatest cueists on planet earth. The truth will set you free.

There was like 3 channels then :lol

Snooker ratings are down to about 3.5 million average viewership for the World Championship. Still larger than pool, of course, which isn't saying much.

Nice excuse of, "I saw it on TV so I have no reason to watch it again!" Speak for yourself. I'm rewatching a match right now I've seen a couple of times on TV, and the Earl/Busta match was broadcasted on Sky, so don't give that crap about not being able to watch it. The Efren highlight vid was also from televised events.

The English are not the best cueists. The Filipinos are. The English are only good at insular games like snooker and derivatives of English 8 ball, like Chinese 8 ball.

Keep riding that Appleton train, though. All you got.
 
Zero evidence of that. No UK cueist can play 3 cushion (by far the hardest cue game on the planet that isn't a gimmick) to save their lives. Appleton is pretty much all you got in American pool. And for much of snooker's history, it was Brits beating Brits since no one else played it. And it's pretty much still Brits beating Brits and the odd Thai or Chinese now and then.

English 8-ball? Again, Jim Rempe went over there and cleaned up, bar-b-q'ing all your champions to win a World Title like I'm going to bbq some steaks on the 4th in honor of your lost colony.

And as Colin said, who is a student of all cue games, Rempe revolutionized English 8-ball with his stroke and spin offensive game, something sissy defensive English 8 ballers never saw before.

Lol! Again, rubbish, all.

BTW there are 30 million chinese snooker players. Maybe something for you to ponder...
 
There was like 3 channels then :lol

Snooker ratings are down to about 3.5 million average viewership for the World Championship. Still larger than pool, of course, which isn't saying much.

Nice excuse of, "I saw it on TV so I have no reason to watch it again!" Speak for yourself. I'm rewatching a match right now I've seen a couple of times on TV, and the Earl/Busta match was broadcasted on Sky, so don't give that crap about not being able to watch it. The Efren highlight vid was also from televised events.

The English are not the best cueists. The Filipinos are. The English are only good at insular games like snooker and derivatives of English 8 ball, like Chinese 8 ball.

Keep riding that Appleton train, though. All you got.

Lol. Always nice to welcome a new fanboy, whoever you are. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you know.
 
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