Why are there so few black pro players..?

LeftyIke said:
You may have been seeing players like you play Golf, but what you don’t seem to understand is, you had a CHOICE as to whether you wanted to pursue Golf!
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I had less of a choice than Tiger Woods did. My parents didn't have the means and his parents did. Are you intelligent enough to understand that difference?
LeftyIke said:
Are you too ignorant or blind to see the difference? You can’t be serious! Wilt Chamberlain, Reggie Jackson, and Bill Russell, couldn’t go into the same Restaurants and Hotels as their White counterparts! Tell us that you are not stupid enough to say that color doesn’t and didn’t make a Big difference!
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I'm purty stupid, but I'm familiar with their struggles. Somehow they overcame them, but yet in 2025 black people can't play pool because of the color of their skin. Is that your theory? Would that be your grand theory about baseball too? You think baseball is less welcoming now than when Jackie Robinson played? Or maybe, just maybe, there's more than just one variable at play here.
LeftyIke said:
The Superstars in the Sport were treated differently than any other common White person, and you actually made that ridiculous statement!
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What statement? I'm starting to wonder if you're new to the world wide web.
LeftyIke said:
Putting the balls in the pocket was never the whole story. Even though the Balls don’t discriminate, the Game and Country does!
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With today's pool world, "discrimination" based on class is more demonstrable than your race based theories. Especially when your only present day example is Josh Roberts.

You could maybe just scrap the name calling BS, as I'm actually conversing in good faith because I believe the two of us probably have way more in common than you would believe.
 
14 year old BasementDweller calls up the local country club...

"Prestige Country Club. Graham speaking. How can I help you?"

"Hey Graham, this is BasementDweller. Would you mind driving out here to give me a ride, buy me a set of clubs, give me some lessons, and throw in a free membership?"

"That's hilarious. I'll talk to you later."

"Wait...wait...I'm WHITE"

"Please accept my apology fine sir. I'll be there promptly. "
 
BasementDweller said:
I had less of a choice than Tiger Woods did. My parents didn't have the means and his parents did. Are you intelligent enough to understand that difference?

I'm purty stupid, but I'm familiar with their struggles. Somehow they overcame them, but yet in 2025 black people can't play pool because of the color of their skin. Is that your theory? Would that be your grand theory about baseball too? You think baseball is less welcoming now than when Jackie Robinson played? Or maybe, just maybe, there's more than just one variable at play here.

What statement? I'm starting to wonder if you're new to the world wide web.

With today's pool world, "discrimination" based on class is more demonstrable than your race based theories. Especially when your only present day example is Josh Roberts.

You could maybe just scrap the name calling BS, as I'm actually conversing in good faith because I believe the two of us probably have way more in common than you would believe.
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There is no discrimination or racism, the World is perfect, and America doesn’t need to make any changes. You actually described Golf, as if it is a welcoming Sport! Wow. Yes, Baseball has less American Black players than when Mays and Aaron played. The majority of players of color in Baseball
are coming from overseas and the Islands. Baseball doesn’t want Black players to dominate the sport as they have in Basketball and Football. The emphasis in the inner cities is obvious, there aren’t many clean fields, baseball equipment, Coaches available to teach kids how to play, no clear white lines for base paths, and no other teams playing! We had Adults playing on teams all over the city, sometimes sponsored by Bars, and stands full of families.
 
What started out as an interesting thread has become something else. The black players I grew up around, played the game for the same reasons I did. They just loved it. And, action settled up for the cash was how we measured a players worth. Maybe I'm delusional but to me the CASH was the reason we competed. I loved getting anybodies cash cause it all spent the same way. I hated losing my cash cause it hurt no matter who got it. So, being around Marvin and JC Cannonball watching them conduct their business on the table was amazing. Marvin maybe a top five all around player could really bring it. Alcohol abuse was his devil. And JC could bank the ball like no one else during his time. These guys lived their lives their way. No excuses for the hands they were dealt as they did the best they could. Pool was a tough way to survive and most great players died poor.
 
LeftyIke said:
There is no discrimination or racism, the World is perfect, and America doesn’t need to make any changes.
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That 's cute. It's also a straw man.
LeftyIke said:
You actually described Golf, as if it is a welcoming Sport! Wow.
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No I didn't. You just ignored my portrayal because it doesn't fit into your narrative.
LeftyIke said:
Yes, Baseball has less American Black players than when Mays and Aaron played. The majority of players of color in Baseball
are coming from overseas and the Islands. Baseball doesn’t want Black players to dominate the sport as they have in Basketball and Football.
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Just an unfounded assertion. Why would the MLB not want more players like Bonds, Gwynn, and Ken Griffey Jr.? You think they don't like filling stadiums and making boat loads of cash?
LeftyIke said:
The emphasis in the inner cities is obvious, there aren’t many clean fields, baseball equipment, Coaches available to teach kids how to play, no clear white lines for base paths, and no other teams playing! We had Adults playing on teams all over the city, sometimes sponsored by Bars, and stands full of families.
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Now you're actually stumbling closer to the problem and maybe it's solution. I wonder if those that think complex problems only have one variable in play, would have fun playing pool with just a cue ball.
 
WildWing said:
So with a post count of about 200, it's clear that you probably haven't been around the game a very long time, and you don't know the history of where the real money was. Ever heard of Cisero Murphy?
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I donated $20 bucks to Ciscero more often than I care to recall playing pool living in Bklyn, N.Y.
After awhile, and a lot of donating, he laughingly revealed his approach to pool after I asked him.

It was simple. Let your opponents think they can win so remember to always give them a little hope.
Now we weren’t discussing tournament pool. This was just his shucking and jiving approach to pool.
 
LeftyIke said:
Your ignorance, and America’s ignorance and Bigotry is incredible. Race is a Social, Cultural, and Psychological, construct, it has nothing to do with Intellect, Learning ability, or talent. It predicts ability to absorb the Rays of the Sun, and the resistance to catching Sickle Cell Amenia, more than anything else. Did you look at Ohtani, and say that an Oriental Baseball Player could never be a great Baseball Player, and especially succeed at Pitching and Batting, and be dominant at both? What the Hell would his Race have to do with it? Did you say that, if Oriental players were good enough, they would have been in America, and be already showing the world that they could do it?? When the 4 minute mile mark was reached, many others would accomplish it, shortly after it was proven that it could be done! You cannot look at ANYONE, and say what they are not capable of doing! Are you, and America really that stupid? The problem with the Sport of Billiards, among many others, is Idiots like you, that think that you are automatically superior to anyone else, and that you can observe them and put limitations on them and their ambitions, and determine their ceilings, and what you believe they are capable of achieving! That is exactly what I was trying to explain earlier, and the results we see from the rest of the world, being more accepting and intelligent than America, and the rest of the world is kicking our Asses in the games that America was supposedly Superior in, and invented! The results are Clear, 300 million people are not putting us at the top, and there is no automatic superiority. We are getting our Asses handed to us, and we are too ignorant and prejudiced to see that we nee to have equal opportunities for everyone.
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My original question was why there are so few black pro players in pool (which is a fact) , what is there to be deemed superior on my side?
 
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