Why billiards will never be in Olympics

Yes, the city and tax payers probably go broke, but not after a lot of politicians and local business men line their pockets. In a perfect world, why would a city want to host the event and go broke? Well the answer is we don't live in a perfect world and they need an excuse to fleece the taxpayers and get their pet projects completed. It does give a lot of exposure to the city for years to come for tourism and they want to be considered a world class city. I think it is ridicules when the tax payers pay to build new stadiums for multi-million dollar sports teams too. Why don't they pay for and build their own stadiums like other small business owners? ...because they can fleece us some more.
I have never in my life considered going to a city because they held an Olympics there, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 
I have never in my life considered going to a city because they held an Olympics there, I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Advertising relies heavily on repetition and association. When you relive some of the memorable performances of the Olympics every 4 years, the name can be refreshed in your memory. Barcelona wasn't on my radar until after the 1992 Olympics. I still remember the name after all of these years. It's likely that our brains process hidden cues and personal triggers, which may significantly shape or guide our choices. Why do you think advertisers use athletes and celebrities to sell products? It is your association and loyalty with them that influences your purchase decisions. Psychological imprinting extends beyond sports, influencing our decision-making processes in subtle ways.
 
On a related note. Earl has this on order from Amazon. Should arrive on Tuesday.
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Same topic came up on Reddit. Here’s my take.

While the Olympics is a major international tradition with significant appeal, interest in the Olympic Games is trending downward. Fewer cities are bidding to host the Olympics as most host cities experience financial strain from the event. Traditional TV viewership is taking a harsh drop. While modern digital platforms for consuming the Olympics are becoming a more preferred method of consumption, the financial viability of the OIympics is under threat of reduced broadcast, advertising and sponsorship revenue. With competing forms of entertainment available they know they need to appeal to the youth today to maintain that audience as adults in the future.

The IOC does recognize cue sports as "Olympic sports" thanks to efforts from decades ago establishing world standardized rules and a structure of international governing bodies like the WCBS. But cue sports haven't been selected for inclusion in "The Olympic Games". As a consolation it is awarded participation in "The World Games". And frankly that has been a very lackluster production when you compare it to commercial pool events. Having snooker, carom, and pool joined at the hip under the WCBS also makes the logistics of the joint event awkward by constraining the use of available space and resources. You get one room with a two pool tables, single snooker table, and single carom table making it more like an exhibition than an actual tournament.

In my opinion the IOC is not likely to pick cue sports to include in the games. I can see a day where they'll start reducing their footprint of sports for economic purposes. But they are still adding games on occasion trying to appeal to the youth. The Youth Olympic Games is a trial event since 2010 to see what has strong appeal. They can test these out because some sports are more permanent and other are labeled as provisional. So provisional sports are more on a trial basis and that's why we see things like surfing, sport climbing, break dancing, 3x3 basketball, BMX, etc.

The main focus on WCBS to get cue sports into the Olympics has been to court interest from the host city. Usually the host city gets to select a couple provisional sports to be included for their year. They've made a failed attempt at Tokyo in 2020. Failed attempt at Paris in 2024. They're certainly trying to get attention from Los Angelos in 2028. But they probably have a better shot at Australia in 2032. And in any case, if successful they'll just be a provisional sport with no guarantee it won't be a one-and-done.

I'm skeptical. I have more interest in seeing the actual commercial side of the sport flourish. All my eggs are in the Matchroom WNT basket. And as we know the Olympic-affiliated governing body, WPA, doesn't play well with Matchroom because it strives to assert its Olympic-affiliated authority over the commercial operation of pool and Matchroom is showing it doesn't need Olympic-affiliation to operate successfully. So as long as the WPA and its regional members like the ACBS are actively threatening bans on WNT pros, you won't likely see the commercial operation of pool be a benefit to making a case for Olympic inclusion. "Hey look how popular pool is. Let us in the Olympics. But you won't see any of those star athletes if you do because we've banned them from our structure."
The Olympics generate a tremendous amount of revenue, but, where does all the money go? The atheletes get zero and the host cityI think gets what it makes from the attendees, all the advertising money , donations etc. where does that go?
 
The Olympics generate a tremendous amount of revenue, but, where does all the money go? The atheletes get zero and the host cityI think gets what it makes from the attendees, all the advertising money , donations etc. where does that go?
That is the million billion dollar question!

On a related note and purely from a financial point of view, I approve of college athletes getting paid. Most of these athletes will never see a professional paycheck yet the schools reap millions in revenue from star athletes. Granted they receive value in an already overpriced educational system, but it is not apples to apples in my opinion. I believe 18 years of age is good enough to be considered an adult, pay your taxes, die for your county and reap the rewards of your labor and talent.

On the other hand, I hate the idea of money tainting the purity of the sport from a fan view point. It's a double edge sword for sure, but I would rather the money go to the individuals than institutional elites.

Also hate the APA! Ha!
 
It is not a sport because it needs to have some sort of physical challenge. A fat guy can play pool.

Now if you were to do 100m sprints to a pool table and shoot a rack, run another and repeat then it may be an Olympic sport.
Really? Have you ever played a 24-36 hour gambling session? Or you could look at events like the DCC where the 9 ball event runs into the wee hours of the morning as it has the last several years leaving the finalists to where they’ve been playing close to or over 24 hours. Do you think that has no effect or requires no physical stamina? Or perhaps you could regale us on the physical challenges of shooting events in the Olympics like pistol, rifle and shotgun shooting, and point out what physical challenges are required in those events that are not present in pocket billiards?
 
Really? Have you ever played a 24-36 hour gambling session? Or you could look at events like the DCC where the 9 ball event runs into the wee hours of the morning as it has the last several years leaving the finalists to where they’ve been playing close to or over 24 hours. Do you think that has no effect or requires no physical stamina? Or perhaps you could regale us on the physical challenges of shooting events in the Olympics like pistol, rifle and shotgun shooting, and point out what physical challenges are required in those events that are not present in pocket billiards?
I’ve played 8 hours straights. 5 days a week one summer. It was easy.

Your 24-36 hour example is an extreme. No sport does that. Pool doesn’t do this either. Let alone a fat guy surviving that. You’re bringing up an extreme case and not the norm of our game.

It’s like me telling lebron you never played basketball 24 hours straight.
 
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That is the million billion dollar question!

On a related note and purely from a financial point of view, I approve of college athletes getting paid. Most of these athletes will never see a professional paycheck yet the schools reap millions in revenue from star athletes. Granted they receive value in an already overpriced educational system, but it is not apples to apples in my opinion. I believe 18 years of age is good enough to be considered an adult, pay your taxes, die for your county and reap the rewards of your labor and talent.

On the other hand, I hate the idea of money tainting the purity of the sport from a fan view point. It's a double edge sword for sure, but I would rather the money go to the individuals than institutional elites.

Also hate the APA! Ha!
The money already taints it imo, , but they give the athletes a tiny bit of it, and even that is reserved for the top players. What about free rides , isn't that remuneration?
 

The money already taints it imo, , but they give the athletes a tiny bit of it, and even that is reserved for the top players.
I agree on the tainted part, but how do you put value on a team game? We all know MJ was more valuable than Pippin, but the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. We will never be able to pay people their exact value, but the top players should receive top pay.

What about free rides , isn't that remuneration?
That's what I was referring to in this sentence: "Granted they receive value in an already overpriced educational system, but it is not apples to apples in my opinion."
 
I agree on the tainted part, but how do you put value on a team game? We all know MJ was more valuable than Pippin, but the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. We will never be able to pay people their exact value, but the top players should receive top pay.


That's what I was referring to in this sentence: "Granted they receive value in an already overpriced educational system, but it is not apples to apples in my opinion."
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One more reason for trying to make pool olympic: That's how government funding works in the countries who have it. They fund sports who are organized and (at least) strive to be olympic. Those are the rules to play by to get funding. If you are olympic, you even get more. That's why you have team leagues in pool, tennis, ... in these countries, plus all these national, regional levels of organizations.
 
One more reason for trying to make pool olympic: That's how government funding works in the countries who have it. They fund sports who are organized and (at least) strive to be olympic. Those are the rules to play by to get funding. If you are olympic, you even get more. That's why you have team leagues in pool, tennis, ... in these countries, plus all these national, regional levels of organizations.
More like hoping flavor flav sponsors your sport.🤣
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The US don't give a fk
 
I get a chuckle out of those thinking anything but you have to be pretty special to be the best in the world at anything. Holding still isn't hard? Stopped by a friend of a friend's place in OKC. He drug out a ten meter air pistol. I grabbed it with my usual two handed grip. "No, you hold it like this: One handed turned sideways duelist style. "Whoa kaaaay." Damned pistol with air cylinder and weights hung off of it weighed more than my 1911's. The pistol weighed three or four pounds when we started, about forty when we finished! I did hang on until he quit. It was too close to call who won. We matched each other every round. Anyone that doesn't think shooting at a dot about the size of a wooden pencil's lead over and over isn't strenuous hasn't been there!

Somebody did a little physical testing on old time stock car racers when they had been off the track for almost three months. "Those guys aren't athletes." Get in your family car and drive it five hundred miles straight through. Now add that you have to be on high alert for that five hundred miles and react quicker than a striking snake. Nothing to it!

There is no reason other than it's lousy reputation which is decades behind the facts that prevents pool from being recognized as a sport. I have played many roughly twelve hour gambling matches. My longest was about sixty hours. Just getting in and out of your chair and walking around gets brutal after twelve hours or so then you have to focus on each shot. Your mental game has to be sharp too.

I don't know how you would put the stress of a long match on pool players in a shorter setting but pool can be as demanding as most things. I have noticed that I can't even feel my legs sometimes in long matches.

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what about artistic billiards at the olympics?

Not my thing but probably would have a better chance. More spectator interest and the time schedule is much easier to predict. One catch, what we usually see is edited for TV. Some of those shots take a lot of time to set up. That would kill the typical spectator's interest in a hurry.

I don't think anyone has tried more formats to try to market pool to the masses, and sponsors, than Allen Hall. He never seemed to find anything that worked on more than a very limited basis.

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