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[telkwa]

why bother comparing between sexes in any physical competition?

men will be beating women at the same respective level (with respect to same sexed peers) for a long time to come. it might not be forever, but its gonna take a long time to change the physical makeup of humans so that women are physically more capable than men.

allison fischer has had an incredible cuesports career - and is the only person in the world to have won snooker and pool championships. i dont know, but does any pool or snooker or billiards player have as much hardware as she does? she is definitely one of the best cueists of all time - not in skill, but in accomplishments.

of course every top men would beat her, just like every top male snooker player would have beaten her when she was active in snooker. but every competitor at the world track & field championships who entered in the men's 100m would beat the gold medal winner for the women's 200. (the olympics is another matter, which has different rules about qualifying. at a recent olympics, some THROWER entered the 100m for some strange circumstance, and hobbled down the track in 14.something (pretty good for a big guy). he was cheered tremendously by the crowd, even though he wasn't all that much past the half way mark when everyone else finished)

 

[T411]

why bother comparing between sexes in any physical competition?

men will be beating women at the same respective level (with respect to same sexed peers) for a long time to come. it might not be forever, but its gonna take a long time to change the physical makeup of humans so that women are physically more capable than men.

allison fischer has had an incredible cuesports career - and is the only person in the world to have won snooker and pool championships. i dont know, but does any pool or snooker or billiards player have as much hardware as she does? she is definitely one of the best cueists of all time - not in skill, but in accomplishments.

of course every top men would beat her, just like every top male snooker player would have beaten her when she was active in snooker. but every competitor at the world track & field championships who entered in the men's 100m would beat the gold medal winner for the women's 200. (the olympics is another matter, which has different rules about qualifying. at a recent olympics, some THROWER entered the 100m for some strange circumstance, and hobbled down the track in 14.something (pretty good for a big guy). he was cheered tremendously by the crowd, even though he wasn't all that much past the half way mark when everyone else finished)

Why Bother? I think you just did.

 

[unknownpro]

why bother comparing between sexes in any physical competition?

men will be beating women at the same respective level (with respect to same sexed peers) for a long time to come. it might not be forever, but its gonna take a long time to change the physical makeup of humans so that women are physically more capable than men.

allison fischer has had an incredible cuesports career - and is the only person in the world to have won snooker and pool championships. i dont know, but does any pool or snooker or billiards player have as much hardware as she does? she is definitely one of the best cueists of all time - not in skill, but in accomplishments.

of course every top men would beat her, just like every top male snooker player would have beaten her when she was active in snooker. but every competitor at the world track & field championships who entered in the men's 100m would beat the gold medal winner for the women's 200. (the olympics is another matter, which has different rules about qualifying. at a recent olympics, some THROWER entered the 100m for some strange circumstance, and hobbled down the track in 14.something (pretty good for a big guy). he was cheered tremendously by the crowd, even though he wasn't all that much past the half way mark when everyone else finished)

There's no reason a woman can't be better than a man at pool.

unknownpro

 

[sjm]

I think one reason we like to compare the women to the men in pool is that we sense, despite abundant evidence to date suggesting otherwise, that pool may be a sport in which the best women may catch the top men one day. Pool is not very athletic or aerobic and people of all builds and shapes have managed to win world championships.

In my forty years around the game, I've watched the gap between the best men and the best women gradually narrow, so the matter of whether the ladies will ever catch the men is very intriguing and it makes for interesting discussion.

 

[APA9]

There's no reason a woman can't be better than a man at pool.

unknownpro

Yep. 'A' woman can be better than 'A' man at pool. The undeniable truth though is that 'the best' woman hasn't been, nor has she ever been, better than, or even as good as, 'the best' man at pool.

 

[TheBook]

I heard a sports announcer say a few days ago that he had some good news and bad news regarding the WNBA. The good news is they will be adding 2 new teams. The bad news? It will still be played by women.

I could never understand why women cannot be competitive with men in pool. There is no physical strength involved. Size does not matter either. It is a game of finesse. You would think that women would excell.

Another is Chess. Why are all the masters men?

 

[unknownpro]

Yep. 'A' woman can be better than 'A' man at pool. The undeniable truth though is that 'the best' woman hasn't been, nor has she ever been, better than, or even as good as, 'the best' man at pool.

And what man, is as good as or better than the best man?

unknownpro

 

[vapoolplayer]

i think the difference between the men and the women as far as pool goes is more on the psychological level than the physical level.

men and women's minds are two TOTALLY different beasts.

VAP

 

[Flex]

i think the difference between the men and the women as far as pool goes is more on the psychological level than the physical level.

men and women's minds are two TOTALLY different beasts.

VAP

I agree. And there are SOME shots that take not just finesse, but downright brute strength. But the psychological factor is probably the biggest one. Men tend to like to crunch things, smash them, blow them to smithereens and so on. Tackles like to crunch people, it's in their nature. It's not that women aren't able to do those things; they surely are. But they tend not to do that sort of thing.

I remember reading a story some time ago about some fellows who built a modern day version of a medieval catapult. I forget how they rigged it up, but suffice it to say that they made one heckuva strong catapult, that sent a 1960s Buick something like 250 yards through the air... WOW!! The guys who heard about that story tended to say things like "cool" and "awesome!" ... the gals tended to ask "why?"

Why do men kick the tires of used cars, and why do women cry at weddings? Who knows, but the differences are real.

Let me ask those on here: who doesn't like to doggone blast the cue ball and send an object ball slamming into the pocket, and have the cue ball zip around the table helter skelter to get shape on the money ball?? For some reason I tend to think macho men dig that stuff, while women may look for easier ways to get the same thing done....

Cheers!

Flex

 

[Colin Colenso]

I could never understand why women cannot be competitive with men in pool. There is no physical strength involved. Size does not matter either. It is a game of finesse. You would think that women would excell.

One reason is because women are too smart to get the idea in their heads that they must win and that they must be the best at some pretty arbitrary game.

Men do that in greater number and with greater passion and are more convinced that they are somehow becoming more god-like in the process. Few women suffer from this form of dementia.

To learn more about how and why women work, let me suggest a great read from one of the 20th century's greatest authors H.L.Menckin's book "In Defense of Women" (Hated by Feminazis)
It's online here: http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/mencken/defense/

 

[Snapshot9]

We all know ...

i think the difference between the men and the women as far as pool goes is more on the psychological level than the physical level.

men and women's minds are two TOTALLY different beasts.

VAP

That men are better at Math, and women are better at English .... lol

Ever notice the best women pros start looking more like a man's style
the better they get.

Kind of like what happens to women executives when they get in
the boardroom ...

Men are pressured and driven to be good at sports growing up, more
so than women in the past, but that is starting to change, and
the gap will gradually become less, not all the way I think, but
less than it is now ... After, who do you think is teaching women
about sports competition, for the most part, it is men...

 

[APA9]

And what man, is as good as or better than the best man?

unknownpro

If that's the way you want to view it, then I'll modify what I said. 'The Best' Woman has never been better than, or as good as, the 'The top 10' male players. Better?

 

[CantEverWin]

Reason being that when it comes down to it. Men are at the top of EVERYTHING. Pool, baseball, basket ball, base ball, chess.

Funny thing is that it's not just sports. For instance on average I would assume women cook more often than me. The best Chef's in the world are also men. Philosophers, writers, scientist. When you ask who the number one is in anything, it's always a man.


Mike

 

[telkwa]

"When you ask who the number one is in anything, it's always a man."

Almost, but not quite. There are probably more examples than this, but the person in the world who is fastest at mental computations is an Indian woman.

 

[unknownpro]

If that's the way you want to view it, then I'll modify what I said. 'The Best' Woman has never been better than, or as good as, the 'The top 10' male players. Better?

Karen Corr beat Jim Rempe in the finals of a tournament before. Jean Balukas has wins over top players in full pro tournaments (Buddy Hall, I think for one) and has placed in the money.

A top 10 American male player (not Earl, this guy is a gambler) was offered the 7 by a Phillipino for all the cash the American had just won by winning the U.S. Open the week before. He pretended he was deaf and just walked away. So obviously there are big gaps between levels, even near the top of the men's game.

Maybe a woman can't be the best, maybe an American (besides Earl?) can't be either. But if Rudolpho Luat (just for one example), who might weigh a 100 pounds, can be one of the very best, why can't a woman? Do any of you want to match up with Rudolpho? Good luck, and keep practicing. If you haven't been playing 15 ball rotation since you were a small child, you probably have no chance, no matter what your gender or nationality.

Women can compete in open pro 9-ball tournaments and place in the money now. So who says they can't get better?

unknownpro

 

[Travis Bickle]

Was it VAP who said men's and women's brains are completely different, so it's psychological? I think that's half-right. They are, usually, completely different and IT'S PHYSIOLOGICAL. It's hard-wiring that we'll probably never escape.

Men are just more likely to be obsessed, abstracted perfectionists than women. There are some gals who might fit the category, but they're way outnumbered, just as there are way more men with autism, which is a kind of extreme case of the condition. There are a lot more men, talented or not, who will spend half their waking hours doing drills on a pool table, am I right or am I right? I remember once, a typical female came with her friend to meet me at a pool hall. She looked around for a few minutes at this silent basement room half-full of solitary men practicing and just said: "Men are weird." Me, I was just whipping around the table, trying to get in a couple more decent runouts.

Throw in innate physical advantages and it'll be a very rare woman who could compete with the best, most success-obsessed men.

Maybe it's all about getting laid. Think of what a man is willing to go through when he's young and full of juice ... like, a lot of us actually have to do something special, or think we do, to make it happen, right? Or just win some Survivor challenge. Chix don't have that problem ... though God knows they deserve more than what they usually get from the likes of our gender.

 

[GeraldG]

Was it VAP who said men's and women's brains are completely different, so it's psychological? I think that's half-right. They are, usually, completely different and IT'S PHYSIOLOGICAL. It's hard-wiring that we'll probably never escape.

Men are just more likely to be obsessed, abstracted perfectionists than women. There are some gals who might fit the category, but they're way outnumbered, just as there are way more men with autism, which is a kind of extreme case of the condition. There are a lot more men, talented or not, who will spend half their waking hours doing drills on a pool table, am I right or am I right? I remember once, a typical female came with her friend to meet me at a pool hall. She looked around for a few minutes at this silent basement room half-full of solitary men practicing and just said: "Men are weird." Me, I was just whipping around the table, trying to get in a couple more decent runouts.

Throw in innate physical advantages and it'll be a very rare woman who could compete with the best, most success-obsessed men.

Maybe it's all about getting laid. Think of what a man is willing to go through when he's young and full of juice ... like, a lot of us actually have to do something special, or think we do, to make it happen, right? Or just win some Survivor challenge. Chix don't have that problem ... though God knows they deserve more than what they usually get from the likes of our gender.

The condition you are alluding to is called Asberger's Syndrome. I think that you would probably find (if it were investigated) that most people who FAR excel in anything, such as pool, probably have Asberger's to one degree or another. It is a condition related to Autism (severe cases are often misdiagnosed as ADD or as some level of Autism) and Savant. One of the characteristics is an obsessive interest in only one thing, to the exclusion of everything else. These folks are usually wildly successful in their one area of interest because they devote all of their mental and physical energy into practicing and learning that one thing. This condition affects males almost exclusively. Most people with Asberger's also will exhibit some difficulties (or discomfort) with social interaction, especially with strangers, and tend to be somewhat introverted. Even with family members, conversation seems to be centered around "comfort zones", such as their chosen area of interest. Making abstract conversation or "small talk" can be painfuly difficult for them and many times they tend to avoid eye contact.

 

[T411]

I have noticed or it is my observation; the men that need to compare how much better in everything they think males are than females, almost always, are not too great at anything. And if they are good at something, they do not think that they are. In other words they do not think highly of themselves.
The men that are pretty damn good at what they do hardly ever make the comparison.

 

[Opie]

The condition you are alluding to is called Asberger's Syndrome. I think that you would probably find (if it were investigated) that most people who FAR excel in anything, such as pool, probably have Asberger's to one degree or another. It is a condition related to Autism (severe cases are often misdiagnosed as ADD or as some level of Autism) and Savant. One of the characteristics is an obsessive interest in only one thing, to the exclusion of everything else. These folks are usually wildly successful in their one area of interest because they devote all of their mental and physical energy into practicing and learning that one thing. This condition affects males almost exclusively. Most people with Asberger's also will exhibit some difficulties (or discomfort) with social interaction, especially with strangers, and tend to be somewhat introverted. Even with family members, conversation seems to be centered around "comfort zones", such as their chosen area of interest. Making abstract conversation or "small talk" can be painfuly difficult for them and many times they tend to avoid eye contact.

Damn man. Are you a psychiatrist or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?




Just kidding. Interesting info.