Actually, he's loading up to hit the shot with high-left english using a standard deflection shaft. He's adjusting for swerve. :grin::grin::grin:
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Why CTE is silly
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Actually, he's loading up to hit the shot with high-left english using a standard deflection shaft. He's adjusting for swerve. :grin::grin::grin:
Maniac
im with you i want to learn it
i think i do it.
but cant read the whole thread to much stuff.
Check pm chris
Chris, You do not need to read the whole thread. Just keep doing what you're doing and as I said if you ever want dialed in so you'll know precisely what you're seeing, then I can help you in short order.
JoeyA eluded to this in a recent post as well.
There's a reason that Hal said many of the top players were using a system that is CTE like.
Thanks for your comment. Ultimately it will be players like you that endorse the effectiveness of CTE and that is what will the big difference.
This is serious stuff and I am doing my best to bring it forward in spite of some negative things. At times it hurts a little when you're trying to do some good and it gets joked about.....but that's normal, I suppose.
CTE is so misunderstood.
Stan
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People like to ridicule what they dont understand,And I think you are doing
great things for the good of the sport.
Petey
Bustamante wags his stick around more than his D***. Show me something he does ALL THE TIME and maybe I can consider your observation as something other than WILDLY selective viewing/reporting.
Don't let them get to you Stan. You are doing a great thing for many of us. On here, you have a few for it, and a bunch against it, and way more that are truly interested in it but don't want to get in the middle of all the garbage when they really don't know what to say.
Right. That's my (new) point. Tagging the "pivot" process to one's shots (learned by feel) perhaps makes for (in those players) a better ability to recall and carry out the "feel" necessary to make the shot.
Don't worry about CTE - 99% of the good players in the world have never heard of it and never will. Maybe you're one of the few people it's good for, but even then it definitely isn't a necessity.
Aiming definitely is that simple. It takes a while and some practice (for everybody) to get good at it, but it shouldn't take weeks of practice and days of one-on-one instruction (or a $40 DVD and lots of phone calls) just to understand what you're trying to do - you should be able to understand that immediately, and without any strain on your brain.
Aiming is simple to understand, and any aiming system worth your time (not to mention your money) should make aiming even simpler to understand, not more complicated.
pj
chgo
Surely you mean "squirt."
Fred <~~~ hopefully, this isn't just another terms miscommune
No. Other systems (or just practicing) are better for that, unless you just can't improve without some "magic".
It can be a reminder to pay attention to how you align yourself so you get more consistent at it - but you can also pay attention and get better at that without it.
pj
chgo
I'm willing to (perhaps) roll back slightly on my characterization. My position is:
1) CTE is NOT an aiming system (by any meaningful definition of the term)
2) It does not produce "exact shot solutions" (it can't, because it doesn't take the position of the pocket relative to the OB into account).
3) IF it's true that some people find it helpful (I have no evidence of that other than some anecdotal reports) then I'm willing to SPECULATE that the reason could be that "all that pivoting" is used by players as an assist in remembering and setting up "feel" shots. CTE players play by feel, because they CAN'T be playing by aim, since CTE doesn't aim (at anything useful, like a pocket).
4) So...I do think use of CTE involves a delusion--and delusions aren't USUALLY helpful. Therefore I would characterize that as something like "silly"--very much like a "lucky hat." The fisherman BELIEVES he catches more fish with it; and even MAY IN FACT catch more fish with it, because it frees his mind to concentrate on "fish tech" with a positive attitude. Nevertheless, the hat DOES NOT help his fishing for any "rational" or "directly real" reason, and it IS kind of silly for him to believe it helps him, AND, hopefully, realizing that, he might be able to put MORE efforts directly into what he now knows IS actually helping him--his fish tech.
5) And the reason I would argue against anyone's advice for finding a lucky hat for fishing is that the hat's connection to catching more fish is "coincidental" with one person's (and maybe some other people's) personal psychological outlook, and NOT because it's a direct causal path to catching more fish.
6) But I'm slightly less adamant now about a 100% negative characterization of it: perhaps some players have a difficult time remembering and setting up shots solely by feel, and it happens that CTE creates a cognitive process that allows them to remember and set up the feel shots they need. If that's the case, I'd like to believe they could do even BETTER by keeping some aspects of the cognitive process, but ejecting the need to delude themselves that CTE is actually showing them where to aim.
Center to EDGE/ PRO ONE is coming soon.
I think many top players already use it. I talked in length to a very good player who was sharing his particular aiming method on certain shots and it was remarkably similar to CTE as I know it right now. For the moment, I don't care to get in these discussions and when I know more I will contribute.
For the time being, I'll just listen to what others have to say.
I do know that CTE is one of the most interesting and talked about aiming systems I have ever heard of and it is almost funny with all of the gesturing and posturing over what is known or thought to be known about CTE. Maybe posturing is too strong of a word because I don't think anyone is intentionally trying to deceive anyone.
More information will come out over the next several months and it may be turn out to be a bit of what many think it is.
Whatever it turns out to be, CTE IS THE MOST TALKED ABOUT AIMING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD. Even PERFECT AIM from the great player Gene Albrecht doesn't compare with interest or volume of discussion.
I get a kick out of people making such a fuss over something that some deem, "silly". It makes my day to see all of this discussion just as long as the discussion doesn't deteriorate into mockery of posters, petty name calling, mudslinging or ridicule of another's religious beliefs.
Stan Shuffett's video will probably confirm for both camps some of what they already want to believe and you know what, that may be a good thing too. We'll all just have to wait and see what Stan's video is able to share.
No matter what you call it, no matter who you are, you can't deny that CTE is THE MOST DISCUSSED AIMING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD.
JoeyA
I think many top players already use it. I talked in length to a very good player who was sharing his particular aiming method on certain shots and it was remarkably similar to CTE as I know it right now. For the moment, I don't care to get in these discussions and when I know more I will contribute.
For the time being, I'll just listen to what others have to say.
I do know that CTE is one of the most interesting and talked about aiming systems I have ever heard of and it is almost funny with all of the gesturing and posturing over what is known or thought to be known about CTE. Maybe posturing is too strong of a word because I don't think anyone is intentionally trying to deceive anyone.
More information will come out over the next several months and it may be turn out to be a bit of what many think it is.
Whatever it turns out to be, CTE IS THE MOST TALKED ABOUT AIMING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD. Even PERFECT AIM from the great player Gene Albrecht doesn't compare with interest or volume of discussion.
I get a kick out of people making such a fuss over something that some deem, "silly". It makes my day to see all of this discussion just as long as the discussion doesn't deteriorate into mockery of posters, petty name calling, mudslinging or ridicule of another's religious beliefs.
Stan Shuffett's video will probably confirm for both camps some of what they already want to believe and you know what, that may be a good thing too. We'll all just have to wait and see what Stan's video is able to share.
No matter what you call it, no matter who you are, you can't deny that CTE is THE MOST DISCUSSED AIMING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD.
JoeyA
phew, I dont need CTE! Someone once told me that this game was easy and simple.
I'm in danger of making this thread longer for no reason but, hey... when in Rome....
Not that it matters, but I don't think all pivot systems go hand-in-hand with indexing/segmentation. Standard ghost ball and pivot for squirt (the aim-and-pivot method for squirt compensation) has no ties to indexing/segmentation. But, I digress...
That being said, my aiming system (which is not CTE) is a stick aiming, ball-relation, pivoting (on the table, sometimes in the air), and indexing system (though, it would be tough to call it "segmentation.")
Everything I do is an offshoot from anything Hal told me (Praise be to Hal). However, (and I have permission to say this), I started with the "there are only two angles," and after seeing the benefit, I added index points to the cueball. How many? Not many. After maybe five points per half, the aims started running into each other.
I also added another object ball point which might make Hal students cringe, but it made sense to me, so I added it.
This has nothing to do with CTE or Pro One as I have no idea how they address and how many aimpoints they use. Two on the object ball (edge and center) and three on the cueball? That's what I started with. In fact, I started with one on the cueball.
I'll end this by my normal blah blah blah. Some people really have no problem aiming at ghost balls. For them, I salute. I've always had problems with certain shots that Hal's systems got me through. I missed way more using ghost ball than with these systems. For me, that's what I was looking for and that's what I got. I'm sure if I had spent 40 hours a week playing pool, I probably could have skipped the aiming systems. Most players can't make balls for $hit with the ghost ball, and don't have 40 hours or 2 hours a week to lock down what they're aiming at.
And how do you ghost ballers aim with english??? At a ghost ball that the english won't let you hit?
Fred <~~~ "old school" pivoter at this point
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Since this thread has gone on for so long, I got curious as to where it ranks in terms of total number of replies. I just checked. It is in the top five of all time!!! Here's the ranking. Amazing!!!
And we still don't know what CTE really is, or how it works???
Yeah. It's ahead of a couple of "free giveaway" threads. Now THAT'S news!
As it turns out, knowing what it ISN'T is actually very useful and informative: it's NOT an aiming system (which tells you where to aim). With that being the case, it's certainly not something I'm interested in--and I can't see why anyone ELSE would be interested in it, either......UNLESS they erroneously believed it WAS an aiming system.
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