Why CTE is silly

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I think it's funny, after 2000 posts, that you haven't addressed a SINGLE CRITICISM of any of the CTE detractors. You've made COUNTLESS negative comments about PEOPLE, but none about "the particulars."

Again and again I've mentioned the KEY particular: CTE doesn't AIM at anything, therefore, it can't be an aiming system. Sadly, I have the impression that you don't even know what I MEAN by that--and, I dread to imagine, it sometimes seems that even the BIG WHEELS, like RandyG and StanS don't know what I mean by that--surely, they're completely MUM on the topic.
This is so stupid it doesn't need a response.
Maybe you would like to discuss it, so I'll spell it out a bit and see if you want to take it anywhere:

1) ALL necessary information about OB and CB can be contained in TWO pieces of information: a) A line drawn between them, indicating their separation distance and which is on which end, b) the DISTANCE and ANGULAR relationship of that line to any stationary part of the table. With that information it's possible to know EVERYTHING that's necessary (well, except if other balls are in the way of pockets, etc., you know what I mean).
You want particulars on this?
2) The heart of the game is pocketing OBs. The pockets are STATIONARY, but the balls can be ANYWHERE. So, that line "a" from item #1 can be ANY LENGTH (within the table limits) and angled ANYWHERE on the table--but the pockets are always in the SAME place.
You want particulars on this?
3) It is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to know both a and b (by one or another description) in order to hit the OB to make it go in the pocket, and it's ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to methodically and systematically make the OB go in the pocket WITHOUT knowing a and b (excepting unimportant conditions, like when both balls are frozen together, with the OB hanging in the pocket--you know what I mean).
We need to know where the pocket is, we are playing pool you know.
How do I KNOW that it's absolutely necessary to know both a and b? Because as I said, line a can be ANYWHERE, so obviously, it's necessary to know b in order to direct the OB to a pocket. Knowing that obvious fact doesn't require any geometry (other than a rough concept of what a table looks like). It's pure common sense. You're not gonna be able to drive to a destination unless you know where to go. This is JUST the same.
Thought you needed geometry for everything you do, you did say that in the course of your 15 minutes of fame here.
4) Advocates of CTE have said that it's not NECESSARY to have information b, and that ALL INFORMATION NECESSARY can be found through a series of alignments and pivots that deal only with line a (and the actual OB and CB). I've heard this from many sources; I'll just mention one: Dave Segal's latest video of pocketing balls with half the table covered. It was his direct INTENTION to demonstrate that information b IS NOT NECESSARY AND IS NOT USED with CTE. Unless he is trying to LIE or MISREPRESENT CTE, then I have to take him at his word.
Information b is used to start our initial alignment,and to catch the ball that we are shooting into it.
Spidey does not lie, his video was a direct response to PJ and pretty good I might add.

5) To say that information b isn't required to pocket balls is just like saying directions aren't necessary to go where you want to in your car--after all, the world is "stationary" like a pool table, and cars and people can go anywhere on the surface, just like balls on a pool table. CTE is like saying that if you have a set of instructions: make 2 lefts, go 1.6 miles, then make 3 rights, that you can drive to ANYWHERE YOU PLEASE. Well, that's just fu**ing stupid, now isn't it? Actually, it's more like saying that, if you draw a line from your grill to the front door of the car ahead of you, then turn left, you'll end up at the pizza parlor--OR the dentist; whichever you happen to WANT to go to at the time :D
The world is "stationary", do you want a mulligan on this. Not sure where your going with the rest of this stupid shit.
6) Then let's go a bit further. Some versions of CTE require or allow for an initial input for the "approximate angle" that you want the OB to go off on to make the pocket. Now that's good, because it will tell you "approximately" where to aim--how accurate that will be will depend on how accurately you can estimate the angle, and how accurately you know where on the OB to hit with the CB for that angle. THEN, nothing FURTHER from CTE can bring you any CLOSER to exactly pocketing the ball, unless MORE INFORMATION about b, the location of the pockets, is considered. But none has been alluded to by CTE advocates.
Input for the "approximate angle" is correct, then you find the CTEL, point, pivot, shoot and score. It's exact and will pocket the ball without adjustments.
It's simple: If you don't AIM at a pocket, by using DIRECT INFORMATION about the LOCATION OF THE POCKET in relation to the OB, then you do not possess the NECESSARY INFORMATION to hit the OB in such a way as to put it in the pocket.

THAT IS SIMPLE, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LOGIC and REASONING. A child could understand it.
What grade are you in?
The bizarre fact is this: Dave Segal's video of pocketing balls without "knowing where the pockets were" serves as ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT CTE IS BUNK, because it pretends to show, and claims as necessary (for proof of CTE) that it is possible to POCKET BALLS without regard to the position of the pockets. That is not so, just as it is not possible to drive to a destination without knowing where the destination is.
You have to have a regard for the pocket, it just isn't as important as you make it out to be.
Any small child could tell you that. Sometimes, you have be an ADULT to get so confused about things.
So now your saying you are an adult?
Hope this helps!!
 
You asked what was "expected" not what they "have to do." I expect people to meet challenges, because that's what people usually do.




People who make claims (like "CTE works!") usually want to support their claims. If they want MY support they owe me an explanation/description. I think they would prefer my support over my detraction.
We could care less about your support.
You sure you don't want to be called "KING GTM "
 
cookie man:
Input for the "approximate angle" is correct, then you find the CTEL, point, pivot, shoot and score. It's exact and will pocket the ball without adjustments.
Nonsense. You don't know what you're saying.

pj
chgo
 
Yes. More insults and no substance. I've seen a continuous stream of insults (directed at ME). Funny, I've NEVER responded to any post of yours or interacted with you in any way--yet you're eager to say vile things about me....IN PLACE OF challenging my arguments or ideas

More lies and stupid statements. I'd call you an idiot but that would be an insult to stupid people everywhere. When you get a chance please go back to posts #1809, #1814 and #1825 in your silly thread. I don't know who you think you were responding to but it sure looks like it was me. Maybe you were "delusional" at the moment you hit the send button.:killingme:


Ugh, it's just too easy sometimes. :D
 
Since the pockets are fixed one does not NEED to use them when using CTE. Because as Hal discovered one CAN use the techniques in CTE to end up on the SAME line, the ONLY LINE, which is needed to pocket the ball.

I am seriously trying to understand the concept of CTE through this thread, but this is the type of comment that confuses the hell outta me. I've read over and over again in this thread how the pockets aren't necessary to line up the shot using CTE. I've read over and over again how all you need to know is what the correct cut ANGLE is for making a shot with CTE (say 30 degrees, or 50 degrees, etc.).

How in the hell can you know what the cut angle is without using the pocket for reference??? Does not the pocket play a part of what the correct cut angle is???

I'd pull my hair out if I had any:D:D:D!!!

Maniac
 
Cookieman:

I agree 100%, CTE doesn't aim balls! CTE doesn't make balls! CTE doesn't bank balls! We do. Most of these people out here will never know what you & I know. OPEN MINDS-OPEN DOORS my friend.

I'm quiet because I'm listening. This thread was over for me a long time ago. I just go on about my teaching business.

I'm in your area next week-all week. I will be at Champions in Frederick, Md. then Rockville, Md.

Have a great day
randyg
 
This thread has taught me that GMT,s real name is
controversy . He does not even play pool.
And PJ is just as big headed And likes to say....NONSENSE lol
 
Those small circles with the ABCDE in them represents the tip of my cue and are my aim points, A is one tip left of center on the cue ball, C is one tip right of center of the cue ball. Do you get it now?
Sorry
I read line up on C to E line and pivot to B.
 
cookie man:
Input for the "approximate angle" is correct, then you find the CTEL, point, pivot, shoot and score. It's exact and will pocket the ball without adjustments.
Me:
Nonsense. You don't know what you're saying.
Mike:
No, his statement is accurate. Adjustments are made before you approach each shot.
So his statement is "accurate" if you ignore the words "exact" and "without adjustments".

LOL.

The setup for Cte is also correct in its simplest form.
Whatever that means - but please don't "interpret". This merry-go-round doesn't need another push.

pj
chgo
 
randyg:
Most of these people out here will never know what you & I know.
Is "I know something you'll never know!" just your personal instructor's philosophy or is it the Cue-Tech Pool School motto?

Nice.

pj
chgo
 
I am seriously trying to understand the concept of CTE through this thread, but this is the type of comment that confuses the hell outta me. I've read over and over again in this thread how the pockets aren't necessary to line up the shot using CTE. I've read over and over again how all you need to know is what the correct cut ANGLE is for making a shot with CTE (say 30 degrees, or 50 degrees, etc.).

How in the hell can you know what the cut angle is without using the pocket for reference??? Does not the pocket play a part of what the correct cut angle is???

I'd pull my hair out if I had any:D:D:D!!!

Maniac

I don't remember reading ANYWHERE that CTE requires you to know cut angles.

I don't use it that way.

Can you point me to where that is stated?

On another note, you will not get an understanding of CTE through this thread. You just won't. There is NOTHING that I can say that will make a lightbulb go off and suddenly CTE will be clear as day.

You said you don't need it or want it and that's after being taught some version of it by Randy I presume.

So I would say that for you CTE is as useless as it is useful for me. UNLESS you happen to run into someone else who can show it to you again at which time you might find that you get it. But until then my suggestion is to stop looking for clarity where none will be provided.

When I say I don't look at the pocket OR even the cut angle then that is exactly what I mean. This is how I approach the shots and using that method I can make the weirdest mid table shots. But that is because I have taught myself to trust the system and not mix it with GB or "feel". When I slip and do either of those then I misjudge the shot.

Let me see if I can put this another way.

I have taken lesson from many of the top professional players. Rafael Martinez, Jimmy Reid, Gerry Watson, Jose Parica, etc....

Sometimes what they tell me to do is beyond me. It takes a while to sink in and sometimes it's taken me asking ANOTHER pro to explain to me what the other pro meant. My most vivid example of this was getting a lesson from Parica and he told me to hit the ball a certain way and no matter what I overhit it. He would hit it perfect, I would over hit it.

Months later I showed the shot to Rodney Morris and Rodney says oh well you need to do this and shows me how he does it and after that I was able to hit it close to right most of the time.

That's about the only way I can explain this from my perspective.

I use one of Hal's systems and it's SPOT ON. Not CTE. No one to date has shown me CTE in depth in person. Spidey tried but we got interrupted and all I got was a few minute's worth.

So what I KNOW of CTE has come from studying what's available plus some private help from Dave and others. I don't know if I am doing it perfectly, probably not, but what I am doing it working great so i feel that it can only get better if I manage to hook up with Dave or someone else and compare what I do with what I don't know.

I don't see shots in terms of angles. How would I know that anyway?

But if I did then why is it so farfetched to think that one could start out with a KNOWN angle, the half ball hit and find the right aiming line from there. I mean it can't be far away from there can it?

Only half a ball in either direction and you're out of targets :-)
 
This thread was over for me a long time ago. I just go on about my teaching business.

I'm in your area next week-all week. I will be at Champions in Frederick, Md. then Rockville, Md.

Right. The facts to completely dismiss CTE are so SIMPLE and so TRIVIAL that, if someone wants to SELL CTE, their only hope is to act like the simple and trivial undoing of CTE simply doesn't exist.

It's your only option, Randy. You've made the right move.
 
John:
...why is it so farfetched to think that one could start out with a KNOWN angle, the half ball hit and find the right aiming line from there. I mean it can't be far away from there can it?
That's obviously the way these systems work. Hal's old "3-angle" system started with a 3/4, 1/2 or 1/4-ball hit; CTE starts with only a 1/2-ball hit - and the player makes adjustments from there. This is exactly how we've been saying these systems work for the past 15 years - to the continuous outrage of the system users.

And, by the way, using "visible alignments" isn't new or unique to systems. It's what everybody who uses their stick as part of their aiming process (a recommended practice) does.

pj
chgo
 
Hope this helps!!

I don't need any help on the CTE score, cookie man. Obviously, my short write-up didn't help you.

The idea that CTE is an aiming system is an utter DELUSION. A delusion REQUIRES an abruption with reality; it REQUIRES those who have contrived it to set up in their minds an impenetrable barrier to reality.

So a CTE believer is simply immune to the trivially simple fact that an aiming system must actually aim at something.

The delusion is apparently so strong and complete that a video of someone pocketing balls without regard to the position of the pockets acts as EVIDENCE of CTE for them, when in fact the OPPOSITE is true: that it's the undoing of CTE, the simple proof that it is bankrupt and a delusion.

I wish this phenomenon were more widely known. If it were there are actually THOUSANDS of people, cognitive scientists, sociologists, psychologists, and philosophers, who would POUR into this thread just to see it: If they happened to know enough about pool to understand the extent of the delusion going on.

There's no help for you unless you try to lift yourself up. But if you have sunk yourself into the delusion that somehow....."within the balls themselves".....is the information of how to pocket them (LOL!)....well, it's just a mental black hole that you'll disappear into.

Truly bizarre.
 
No, I don't. I don't like realizing that there's so much of it here. You're lucky you'll never have that problem.

That's goddam exactly right! If somebody would like a reminder that ANYTHING can happen in the world, they need only look at this thread closely enough to understand what's in it. That NUMBERS of people can make themselves believe ANYTHING, and then RIP AND TEAR at anyone who would try to "take the idea" from them.

It's actually friggin' about as terrifying and depressing as it gets. It's actually scary to think what can BE IN PEOPLE'S MINDS who are just out there walking around, loose.

....and it's weirdly funny to think that, no matter HOW SICK somebody's mind may be...there're always some guys who will find a way to make a buck off it :D
 
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