Why do some people get mad when you ask them to gamble?

9 on the snap said:
Some people are nits, but they go through life pretending they are not. When they are confronted with this fact it makes them angry.:angry:
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i feel everyone has the right to simply say no, or no thank you. Some people just don't gamble and that is just life.
Times have changed and the way some look at the game has really changed. One poster talks of playing $5 sets. Well i am old school and to me, that is a total waste of time. Again, JMO. If one is looking for a profit as most have done, or did do, $20 sets are a total waste of time. The counter ends up with the money and it will cost one money in the long run.
The nits are the ones who talk the talk but won't walk the walk. They claim to play well when everything is in their favor and then they are stepping out there when betting $100. To them it is all about staying in their comfort zone. When someone of equal skiil comes along and challenges them they start the dog and pony show claiming that they work for a living and don't need this or that and even think most can't see past it all.
For many pool is purely recreational and little more. For me, it never has been and playing for very little or just air bores me all to hell. But, to each his own.
In my mind everyone going into the pool rooms should have their eyes wide open. in my day there was always someone watching and ready to take you off. When it happened I almost always felt it was my own fault. Nobody has ever forced me to play, but I did and it often backfired. When done though usually we both got what we were looking for.
Today if you walk into a pool room and ask someone to play $10-20 9 ball, You get the look like you just fell off a Turnip truck. They try and steer you over to some guy who beats up on the league players and talk about how he gambles really big and you automatically know it is BS because if he did, he wouldn't be at the league thing.
Now I am not bashing the league players at all. I'm just saying that people play the game for different reasons and different intensions. The game and the pool room has changed so much over the past 20-25 years. In the old days when asked to play,, the next question was how much. If he just nodded his head no, it usually meant he was too short or busted. Enough said and nobody wasted anymore time on the matter. if he said yes the next thought was, wondering how much he was holding. Why risk 100 for 40-50? That happened a lot.
Ah, hell, it is just far different now than back then!
 
ironman said:
i feel everyone has the right to simply say no, or no thank you.
...Today if you walk into a pool room and ask someone to play $10-20 9 ball, You get the look like you just fell off a Turnip truck.
...Ah, hell, it is just far different now than back then!
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True, to it all!
 
ironman said:
i feel everyone has the right to simply say no, or no thank you. Some people just don't gamble and that is just life.
Times have changed and the way some look at the game has really changed. One poster talks of playing $5 sets. Well i am old school and to me, that is a total waste of time. Again, JMO. If one is looking for a profit as most have done, or did do, $20 sets are a total waste of time. The counter ends up with the money and it will cost one money in the long run.
The nits are the ones who talk the talk but won't walk the walk. They claim to play well when everything is in their favor and then they are stepping out there when betting $100. To them it is all about staying in their comfort zone. When someone of equal skiil comes along and challenges them they start the dog and pony show claiming that they work for a living and don't need this or that and even think most can't see past it all.
For many pool is purely recreational and little more. For me, it never has been and playing for very little or just air bores me all to hell. But, to each his own.
In my mind everyone going into the pool rooms should have their eyes wide open. in my day there was always someone watching and ready to take you off. When it happened I almost always felt it was my own fault. Nobody has ever forced me to play, but I did and it often backfired. When done though usually we both got what we were looking for.
Today if you walk into a pool room and ask someone to play $10-20 9 ball, You get the look like you just fell off a Turnip truck. They try and steer you over to some guy who beats up on the league players and talk about how he gambles really big and you automatically know it is BS because if he did, he wouldn't be at the league thing.
Now I am not bashing the league players at all. I'm just saying that people play the game for different reasons and different intensions. The game and the pool room has changed so much over the past 20-25 years. In the old days when asked to play,, the next question was how much. If he just nodded his head no, it usually meant he was too short or busted. Enough said and nobody wasted anymore time on the matter. if he said yes the next thought was, wondering how much he was holding. Why risk 100 for 40-50? That happened a lot.
Ah, hell, it is just far different now than back then!
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Thanks for saying what I've been thinking.
 
I used to get a guy that asked me to gamble and I would say no.He asked me about 8-10 times in the matter of 3 months.He said'' why won't you play me''?
I explained to him,its not that I don't think I could beat you but if there was a remote chance that you won I couldn't fathom the idea of giving you any of my money and if I won I really don't want any of yours cause I know thats all you got.Either way its a lose lose for me.I have money cause I have a job,I suggested to him,he might want to do the same.
 
I feel ya. I finally gave in to one of these guys....won, he wanted to play again to get even with nothing left in his pocket. I gave him his money back, bought him a drink, paid the table time, and politely asked him not to ask me to play again. Sometimes it is a lose/lose....I don't want someone's last dollar, and usually losing to "that guy" just gives him ammunition for woofing another day :sorry:

Oops that post was in response to scsuxci's last post....forgot to quote it
 
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9 on the snap said:
Some people are nits, but they go through life pretending they are not. When they are confronted with this fact it makes them angry.:angry:
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Some people also know if they are gambling, they are playing a game of long odds of ever being a winner. So if you have little chance to be a winner, why give up your money away in a Yugo verses Top Fuel Dragster in a 1/4 Mile Race, with you at the wheel of the Yugo.

Those who think they are big time money pool players, may I suggest you fly out to Arizona, hitting Kolby's in Tempe AZ and play some One Pocket against Scott Frost. Like a Race to 3 with no HANDICAPPED for Big Money.

When Scott rolls over you like Patton's Armor in WW-II, I am sure you will understand that you were in a Drag Race, with you in the Yugo, and Scott in the Top Fuel Dragster. Yes you did have a chance in the race if the Top Fuel Dragster blew up at the start line.:sorry:
 
Thanks for your comment. Yes, I have gambled in the past and it never feels good for me to win or lose if it means taking someone else's money. When I was younger I guess I felt like a "big shot" when I won somebody's money. But, now when I examine my past behavior, I realize it was all about "Ego" when I was young.

When I was young, I felt like some tough guy pool player if I took someone's money because that was what I observed in the pool room and from watching the behavior of these pool-room characters or watching the movies like "The Hustler" with Paul Newman. I just figured that is how it is supposed to be.

But, it is never a win-win situation. I don't feel "good" when a guy digs into his pocket and hands me his money, and I know he does not feel good, and I don't like digging into my pocket to pay someone else if I lose.

I do enjoy tournament money play though. That is always fun and it puts the pressure on you to play well. And, if I win I usually spend the whole thing buying drinks for everyone and tipping the waitress real good and the person that took the time to run the tournament and keep track of all the games.

But, for me, I just love the game and I do not like the results of gambling....it always gets kind of weird when someone has to pay out. I do enjoy tournaments though and for me that is enough pressure to help improve my game.

Thanks.
 
I actually get a little testy when someone asks me to gamble when that same person a few months before never paid me in full from a previous gambling session. I have a good memory so when someone like this asks me to gamble again I give them a cringed look and tell them "not interested" and then they usually leave me alone. Believe me this has happened on numerous occasions.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Some people also know if they are gambling, they are playing a game of long odds of ever being a winner. So if you have little chance to be a winner, why give up your money away in a Yugo verses Top Fuel Dragster in a 1/4 Mile Race, with you at the wheel of the Yugo.

Those who think they are big time money pool players, may I suggest you fly out to Arizona, hitting Kolby's in Tempe AZ and play some One Pocket against Scott Frost. Like a Race to 3 with no HANDICAPPED for Big Money.

When Scott rolls over you like Patton's Armor in WW-II, I am sure you will understand that you were in a Drag Race, with you in the Yugo, and Scott in the Top Fuel Dragster. Yes you did have a chance in the race if the Top Fuel Dragster blew up at the start line.:sorry:
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Where the hell did this come from??
 
The old joke about gambling goes like this when I live an hour from Lake Tahoe, NV. Fellow went to the Casinos in Lake Tahoe in a 50K Mercedes Benz, he was going to beat the house at their gambling games, and knowing he could bet the house he came home on a 350K Grayhound Bus. He even hocked his Merceds trying to beat the house. ODD are in the Casinos favor, and if you don't know this. That is why their name is on the buildings, not the gamblers.
 
1. Always ask casual acquaintances to play
2. Never ask casual acquaintances to gamble
3. Maybe a $ game will happen, be prepared if it doesn't
4. To me losing hurts whether money is involved or not
5. Different topic touched upon here-never understood weight, If I can't beat a guy straight up I don't want his money, if he can't beat me straight up I'll be damned if he can have mine. Same applies to hdcp in golf in my opinion.
 
JoeyA said:
I've got another question. What do you normally gamble for? I see you're from Florida and it's not likely that I will be headed your way so I'm not asking if you want to play me.

Perhaps the others have heard of your gambling exploits and have already pegged you with their personal perception of what they have heard about you. If you are known to gamble $50 or $100 a set or more, they may feel that you are just baiting them with the cheap set talk.

I like the suggestion Bob Jewett made best out of all the suggestions. If they want to play you some cheap sets they will.

I've got similar problems. I'm known to play hard whether I practice by myself, compete against others for funzies or if I am gambling. I sometimes see people who gamble, gambling with even better players than myself for cheap sets. Those same people love to practice with me (for free) and more often than not, I win although it is not always an easy go. If I ask them if they would like to play cheap sets like they play with other, better player, they tell me that they can't beat me. :thud::speechless: I guess it could be because the other better player lays it down pretty good and keeps the game close and every now and then the better player lets the lesser player win every now and then, just to keep them interested. If I can, I'm going to beat them 10 out of 10 tries. :D Maybe they would rather be deceived rather than have an honest measure of their game. :(
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Joey, my typical is $20 sets. I will play for a lot more if I like the game. I honestly look at these cheap sets as "practice" and really felt that it could go either way with these guys. I'm originally from your neck of the woods. In fact, I've met you before. It's been a very long time ago though.:thumbup:
 
JB Cases said:
"not right now" works. If they have an issue then it's their issue as long as you weren't barking at them and calling them out.

Anytime you ask someone in private to do something and the conversation is respectful then there is no reason for them to be upset with you. If they are then they have something going on.

A lot of times I go to the pool room and I have no money, maybe $30 on me. I could go to the ATM and get a couple thousand but I will often say "no thanks, I don't have any money on me."

Don't sweat it but maybe you should be the one who asks them if everything's cool.
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Thanks, JB. It was in private and I said it quietly. Not disrespectful at all. I think I will say something the next time I see them, in private of course, and say I didn't mean any disrespect.
 
Cue4fun said:
They are angry because you don't know them and you figure you are better and you want to take their money right out of their pocket. Doesn't matter if it is $1 or $100. In my opinion, it is rude. But, it is not rude to ask if someone wants to just "play" pool with you. But, to go up to someone you do not know and ask them to gamble is not pleasant. It puts them in a position of feeling like they have to back down and probably ruins their time to play because they feel they had to back down to you.

Especially if you say "gamble cheap." You are openly challenging them to play for "small" money AND insulting them by implying that it will be "inexpensive" if they lose and that is insulting.

It is one thing if you know they are gamblers.... but if you don't know them ..... you basically are challenging a stranger to see if you can "take their money" .......which is different than just playing pool.

That is the way I look at it. My response would probably be ..."here...why don't I just take my money out of my pocket and give it to you...." Personally, I don't like to gamble. I don't like the idea of taking other people's money over a game. I don't need the ego boost or to make someone else feel badly when they lose. An extra $20 or $100 that I take from someone else over a game is not my idea of fun.

But, hey .....that is just me.
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Really???? LoL! :D I don't think I'm better than anyone as a person. This isn't a gun fight over moral values. It's a game of pool. I thought they would enjoy the experience as much as I would. In my mind, they had as much of a chance to win as I did. I'm starting to think I come from a different time in the game. I played from when I was 14 to about 25 practically everyday. I then took a 10 year break (college, work, etc.) and have been playing again for about 2 years since my life has settled down and I have time for it. Maybe things have changed that drastically since I quit. I grew up in South Mississippi and played in Alabama, Louisiana, and Texas. I never thought twice about asking a regular to play for something AND I never got the attitude that I get down here.
 
The only time I ever got mad was if somebody asked why I didn't want to gamble. It's nobody's business except the player being asked. We had a couple of guys who just couldn't understand why you didn't ask why someone didn't want to gamble. The reasons could be legion.
 
ironman said:
i feel everyone has the right to simply say no, or no thank you. Some people just don't gamble and that is just life.
Times have changed and the way some look at the game has really changed. One poster talks of playing $5 sets. Well i am old school and to me, that is a total waste of time. Again, JMO. If one is looking for a profit as most have done, or did do, $20 sets are a total waste of time. The counter ends up with the money and it will cost one money in the long run.
The nits are the ones who talk the talk but won't walk the walk. They claim to play well when everything is in their favor and then they are stepping out there when betting $100. To them it is all about staying in their comfort zone. When someone of equal skiil comes along and challenges them they start the dog and pony show claiming that they work for a living and don't need this or that and even think most can't see past it all.
For many pool is purely recreational and little more. For me, it never has been and playing for very little or just air bores me all to hell. But, to each his own.
In my mind everyone going into the pool rooms should have their eyes wide open. in my day there was always someone watching and ready to take you off. When it happened I almost always felt it was my own fault. Nobody has ever forced me to play, but I did and it often backfired. When done though usually we both got what we were looking for.
Today if you walk into a pool room and ask someone to play $10-20 9 ball, You get the look like you just fell off a Turnip truck. They try and steer you over to some guy who beats up on the league players and talk about how he gambles really big and you automatically know it is BS because if he did, he wouldn't be at the league thing.
Now I am not bashing the league players at all. I'm just saying that people play the game for different reasons and different intensions. The game and the pool room has changed so much over the past 20-25 years. In the old days when asked to play,, the next question was how much. If he just nodded his head no, it usually meant he was too short or busted. Enough said and nobody wasted anymore time on the matter. if he said yes the next thought was, wondering how much he was holding. Why risk 100 for 40-50? That happened a lot.
Ah, hell, it is just far different now than back then!
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Yep. I'm starting to see the patern. By the way, I do play some very good players down here that beat up on me pretty good. I don't go around clubbing baby seals. Toby Sweet has bought dinner on me quite a few times. However, I really enjoy playing great players and will play him any chance I get. I think you need to play all sorts of people and different skill levels to get better.
 
Pushout said:
The only time I ever got mad was if somebody asked why I didn't want to gamble. It's nobody's business except the player being asked. We had a couple of guys who just couldn't understand why you didn't ask why someone didn't want to gamble. The reasons could be legion.
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I agree with this whole heartedly. I would never ask a question like that.
 
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