I'd lay 4:1 on Massey arm wrestling any other pool player. (except maybe Hillbilly)
What is it about those dudes from Appalachia?
What is it about those dudes from Appalachia?
Why do Teachers insist on the Pendulum?
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I tested your shot last night, the results were: object ball 3 diamonds up from the bottom rail and the cue ball 2 diamonds from the object ball I was able to force follow to the bottom rail, top rail and back to the object balls starting position. I was able to do this 4 out of 5 times. This was done on a gold crown 3 with dirty cloth and balls. When I go up to Lindenwood this weekend I will try it on a diamond table, I believe I can get more distance out of cue ball on a clean table.
I had a player that had no idea what I was doing watching for elbow drop and on the first shot he said my elbow dropped about a 1/2 inch.
Tony...Massey's video has been broken down and discussed at length before. It just goes to show you that even some top pro players just don't know what they're talking about...even though they can demonstrate the shot. While I may disagree with some other things about The Oyster...he happens to be technically correct here. Elbow drop is a choice, rather than a necessity. Therefore...fewer moving parts (pendulum stroke) wins every time. Many of us also break with the same pendulum stroke. For me and my students, there is no more follow-through on a break, than there is on a lag...no less either! 
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Dennis...I know for a fact that your "instructor" (according to you, the "world's Best Instructor") is not filling your head with this nonsense...so where are you getting it from? Pool is not about strength or power...it's about cue speed and timing...which are more accurate and more easily accomplished with a loose cradle on the cuestick. The fact that we can easily demonstrate force follow or power draw with a pendulum stroke cannot be confused or discounted. In the end it's the choice of the shooter. Piston is not "superior" to pendulum. Pendulum is just easier to reproduce, get the timing right, and develop an accurate and repeatable stroke process...especially under the pressure of competition.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Pool is not about strength or power...it's about cue speed and timing...which are more accurate and more easily accomplished with a loose cradle on the cuestick. The fact that we can easily demonstrate force follow or power draw with a pendulum stroke cannot be confused or discounted. In the end it's the choice of the shooter. Piston is not "superior" to pendulum. Pendulum is just easier to reproduce, get the timing right, and develop an accurate and repeatable stroke process...especially under the pressure of competition.Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
It's a matter of elbow dropping. If you watch O'Sullivan in snooker, he drops his elbow unless it a draw shot. Most on here and teachers teach pendulum stroke where the elbow stays pinned without dropping.
Yes I am aware of that I wasn't sure if Denwit was.
To me this sounds like an old English thread.
To me this sounds like an old English thread.
Tony...Massey's video has been broken down and discussed at length before. It just goes to show you that even some top pro players just don't know what they're talking about...even though they can demonstrate the shot. While I may disagree with some other things about The Oyster...he happens to be technically correct here. Elbow drop is a choice, rather than a necessity. Therefore...fewer moving parts (pendulum stroke) wins every time. Many of us also break with the same pendulum stroke. For me and my students, there is no more follow-through on a break, than there is on a lag...no less either!
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Every lesson he gives is an individual lesson to the person. Not the same for everyone. I won't discuss our lessons.
No problem. I'm wondering if O'Sullivan, and they did not know who he was, showed up for a lesson from the typical pool teacher, would they look at this stroke and/or try to change him into a pendulum stroke immediately? Nothing mean or hateful here but I'm just wondering what they (pool teachers) would do with a strong piston stroke that makes everything.
A good instructor would work with what you've been doing for years, show you little things that will improve your style/method. For a newby, introducing or changing to a completely different stroke might be the best route.
True enough for a proficient teacher. Maybe we'll hear from them.
I must be crazy. What about the second stroke/shot of the video you provided? What stroke do you call that one? I'm learning here so help me out.
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Tell me what would you do with a student who the only way he can draw a cueball is to jack up 45 degrees or more on every shot?
I had a husband and wife duo lesson 2 weeks ago. Both of them lacked consistency in their stroke as observed by video analysis and scorecard evaluation. We decide (student and teacher) what are the elements they need to work on to get more consistent.
First and foremost was working on both implementing a set-up and delivery of a level cue. Both were amazed with the results they had using a level cue.
An instructor must evaluate and work with the student based upon their needs.
I had a husband and wife duo lesson 2 weeks ago. Both of them lacked consistency in their stroke as observed by video analysis and scorecard evaluation. We decide (student and teacher) what are the elements they need to work on to get more consistent.
First and foremost was working on both implementing a set-up and delivery of a level cue. Both were amazed with the results they had using a level cue.
An instructor must evaluate and work with the student based upon their needs.
Did that drop occur before or after striking the CB?
Probably before. So the second stroke is a pendulum stroke? I thought the elbow had to stay pinned. I thought instructors put an item on the forearm to make it stay there during the stroke. I'm confused here.
Well here we will disagree, I believe the elbow drop occurred after contact. Watch it in slow motion.
He dropped is elbow because he used more stroke speed on that shot than others.
He dropped what maybe 3 inches....wow I guess he uses a J stroke. <sarcasm>
What if Ronnie after every made shot stood up and did the Irish Jig, would you think that made him successful?
Item on forearm? Not sure what you are talking about.
Elbow pinned.....classic pendulum stroke a few inches of drop after hitting a ball with pace....no big deal.
Teaching a pendulum stroke......consistency, consistency,consistency.
He dropped is elbow because he used more stroke speed on that shot than others.
He dropped what maybe 3 inches....wow I guess he uses a J stroke. <sarcasm>
What if Ronnie after every made shot stood up and did the Irish Jig, would you think that made him successful?
Item on forearm? Not sure what you are talking about.
Elbow pinned.....classic pendulum stroke a few inches of drop after hitting a ball with pace....no big deal.
Teaching a pendulum stroke......consistency, consistency,consistency.
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