Why is it that so many pros shoot the final ball with draw? Just avoiding possible skids or something else?
Why Draw?
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MaydayMyers
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Because they know that it looks cooler.
And draw reverses on the pocketed object ball that rolls into the pocket.
They can hit with added certainty & more resolute stroking of the cue ball.
They can hit with added certainty & more resolute stroking of the cue ball.
Huh? What does that mean? The object ball rolls differently?
it definitely makes the ball skid less for sure. I think also just comfortatibility. Some players always practice a shot that way so in a game they may shoot they way the were just practicing that shot.
What shot is the worst shot to induce a skid?I get burned by it rarely enough to have not figured what I am doing wrong.Just see something funny happen on a shot I hit good that doesn't go in.
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Top English, can momentarily make the object ball try to backspin on the OB, so it is sliding or "skidding"
I say it is a rolling cb. a slowly ruling one with a thick hit, but not full one
I think it is more like masse on the ob.
And I call 103% bs on being able to impart follow or draw on a struck ob. The resistance to vertical force is way greater than that to horizontal.
MaydayMyers
Will break for food
The topic started out addressing DRAW, but there was some discussion of FOLLOW.
Dr. Dave's slow motion video involving cue ball follow imparting backspin on the object ball.
http://billiards.colostate.edu/high_speed_videos/new/HSVB-46.htm
Well, it's not a lot, but it's there. More when there is more friction; in the video more friction is applied by using chalk on the object ball at the point of impact.
Dave
Dr. Dave's slow motion video involving cue ball follow imparting backspin on the object ball.
http://billiards.colostate.edu/high_speed_videos/new/HSVB-46.htm
Well, it's not a lot, but it's there. More when there is more friction; in the video more friction is applied by using chalk on the object ball at the point of impact.
Dave
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You can influence the spot ball on the break with some control, and on some frozen shots where the OB is supported, to move the OB away from the predicted travel line (as in Byrne's book)
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If you notice how players hit balls when they hit a tough combo, especially when they make it. It's much more rare for them to use a high, rolling ball on a combo. I'm not gonna go into the physics of it because that is useless, but it's easiest to be as accurate as possible with a low ball. It could be because players are accustomed to hitting low, but I think there's more to it than that. That is why you'll always see the pattern low ball when players are cinching anything, and a high ball shot always has a positional element to it.
Bingo.....
When u play draw on the cueball, it results in opposite motion on the objectball as a follow shot allowing it to roll in the pocket even if it contact a skid or dirty particles which wld result in a miss if the object ball was rolling in a draw motion if u apply follow on the cueball.
Most of the pros also use inside english on rail shots n game ball for higher percentage of making it.
When u play inside on the cueball, the object balls spins in the opposition direction n its call a thow effect , allowing it to spin in even contacting the rail so as long as u play it at pocket speed.
Hope this helps
But when shortening a bank, the cb has to stay out of the way. Cant keep out of the way with follow. And i think it is speed that shortens the angle.
I am having lunch with mike sigel today and will discuss the matter with him.
This opinion is debunked by #43 of Dr. Dave's "Top 100 Pool and Billiards Myths ... Debunked, Busted and Explained":
Poolplayer2016
Banned
They play whatever English is needed to avoid scratching. They will also do what's most comfortable. On rails they will usually give inside English as mentioned for the reasons mentioned.
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Three reasons:
1.) A draw shot requires a firmer stroke that results in a more confident and accurate hit for many people.
2.) Faster speed results in less throw (see the maximum throw resource page).
3.) Slight draw with a cut shot on a ball beneath the foot spot takes advantage of the 45 degree rule, where a CB path through the center of the table eliminates the possibility for a scratch.
Regards,
Dave
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