Why have weekly tournaments on the same night????????

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Milo said:
Yes, everyone has a right to go where they want. All I was saying is we could all win in this. Of course its your decision what you do with your business. You have that right.
Im really not sure what you mean by "willing to admit"???
I will admit that its obvious you have some hard feelings. Oh well, hope you find the answers that will benefit you Craig.

Good Luck in the future
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Andrea, you can have the last word!!!!! :smile: If it is that important to you, but I have ask does Clark and Michele know you are doing this. If so why did they not contact me so we could talk about it. Either way they will know about it in the morning. I hope you work your problems out and realize this is not you to be involved in.

Take Care I wish you well.
 
Johnnyt said:
After the first page this should have been PM's between the two that are/were going back and forth. Begining to look like another Varney thread. Johnnyt
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Sorry all. I asked a question and this happens. Craig needs to lighten up a bit. LOL
 
manwon said:
Andrea, you can have the last word!!!!! :smile: If it is that important to you, but I have ask does Clark and Michele know you are doing this. If so why did they not contact me so we could talk about it. Either way they will know about it in the morning. I hope you work your problems out and realize this is not you to be involved in.

Take Care I wish you well.
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Why would they need to know. I have a right to say anything I want. I am not speaking for them. This is my opinion about pool rooms having tourneys on the same night.
Thank you for answering my question. Take Care
 
Hmmm

Ok Craig, if you want to make this personal let's talk about people calling people first. Why is it that when people come to the tourney that is NOT at your place, your tournament director feels the need to stalk them and call them at 1am while they are gambling to ask them why they were not there? Next question, why is it that you think that the busiest league nights are Tues and Thurs? Around here it's always been Mon and Thurs, are you living somewhere else? Next question, Why is it that someone asks a generalized question and you have to chime in as usual mentioning names and carrying on like it's a personal attack on you? Are you feeling guilty or something? All she was asking for was some OPINIONS from the wonderful people here on AZ but, it seems that you have some kind of problem with people asking an opinion without your permission. And lastly feel free to pm me with any names of team captains that she has supposedly called so I can correct you on that one too because, unless they were team captains at the other bar first she wouldn't have their number. So in the future please make sure that you have your FACTS straight before you chime in and hijack someone elses thread that is just asking a simple question.
The best to you,
Lawrence M. Maes:cool:
 
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Milo said:
I have a question and would love everyones comments or imput.
Why do pool room and bar owners schedule their tournaments on the same nights as others in their local area???
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I do not know how many Bars, Pool Rooms, Strips Bars, or Sport Bars there are in the Valley of the Sun. Phoenix Metro Area. I do know that I live in the Far NorthWest part of the Valley, and can pretty much drive to most other point in 1.1/4 Hours. We have three (3) Billiards Publication that list WEEKLY Tournaments in their paper 7 Nights/Week, and if you add them all up their are over 100 THAT ARE ADVERTISED! Many Bar have a Table or Two , and also WEEKLY Tournaments, so I would gues the number is well over 150++++. WEEKLY Tournaments.
 
Newsletter

I used to publish a billiards newsletter for my area once every 2 months.
The last page of it was a 1 page summary of all the upcoming tournaments including normal weekly tournaments. Room owners could scan my tournament page, and use it to rearrange weekly tournaments so that it fell on a different night from their competition most of the time.

The onlly real problem I ran into was with 3 ball tournaments since so many of them are held, but normal 8 and 9 ball tournaments were not a problem.

I discontinued it about 5 years ago, but still get asked if I publish 'The Green Felt'.
 
secretsquirrel said:
Ok Craig, if you want to make this personal let's talk about people calling people first. Why is it that when people come to the tourney that is NOT at your place, your tournament director feels the need to stalk them and call them at 1am while they are gambling to ask them why they were not there? Next question, why is it that you think that the busiest league nights are Tues and Thurs? Around here it's always been Mon and Thurs, are you living somewhere else? Next question, Why is it that someone asks a generalized question and you have to chime in as usual mentioning names and carrying on like it's a personal attack on you? Are you feeling guilty or something? All she was asking for was some OPINIONS from the wonderful people here on AZ but, it seems that you have some kind of problem with people asking an opinion without your permission. And lastly feel free to pm me with any names of team captains that she has supposedly called so I can correct you on that one too because, unless they were team captains at the other bar first she wouldn't have their number. So in the future please make sure that you have your FACTS straight before you chime in and hijack someone elses thread that is just asking a simple question.
The best to you,
Lawrence M. Maes:cool:
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Well of course you're supposed to defend your wife, it's expected even when she's wrong...
 
secretsquirrel said:
Huh? Are you for real?
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Well I don't think I'm a figment of my own imagination.....

It's painfully obvious what is happening in this thread given known biases... I think Ray Charles could see it, and not only was he blind, he's dead.
 
Ok then

If you would like to point fingers then here's one for you. She only asked a simple question and didn't mention any names and here comes Craig pointing fingers naming names and getting all high and mighty on his soap box. Why do you and he feel the need to make accusations about peoples motives when it all started as a general question? I still think some people are feeling a little guilty about the whole pot calling the kettle colors and such. Just my view on things.
Larry
 
secretsquirrel said:
If you would like to point fingers then here's one for you. She only asked a simple question and didn't mention any names and here comes Craig pointing fingers naming names and getting all high and mighty on his soap box. Why do you and he feel the need to make accusations about peoples motives when it all started as a general question? I still think some people are feeling a little guilty about the whole pot calling the kettle colors and such. Just my view on things.
Larry
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Well being as how not many people here understand that "Milo" (your wife) is highly biased towards City Lights/Malarkey's and that there is only one other pool hall within any distance of significance that just so happens to be owned by Manwon (Craig), I think that this needs to be brought to light.

Now - knowing this information, you don't see the baiting that was going on here with the initial conversation? (see my second post on this thread)
 
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Tournaments are held on certain nights for many reasons, all business related. Often they are scheduled for what is usually the slowest night of the week if it is a weeknight tournament. Other times it is indeed to look like the happening place. Nothing promotes a business like a busy parking lot as someone has already pointed out.

However, really giving players a choice means having tournaments on different nights so that the players can choose to attend one or all. This means that some halls will have to take less desirable nights. When I was dirt tracking we had three in the area to begin with. They butted heads and everyone had short fields. Then the owners got together and rotated who had which day each season. All three tracks had full fields and so better stands and everyone was happy. The competitors knew what night they would be racing where each season. Then several more tracks opened and it was dog eat dog again. Soon we were down to two tracks to race at, now there is one.

Room owners could get together and cross promote their rooms as the local dirt tracks did for awhile. They would have to rotate more often but perhaps every three months after deciding the offset between themselves to begin with and drawing from a hat or cutting cards or whatever to decide who initially got which night.

Buffalo Billiards not only welcomes Jamie Farrell, another room owner, to play in their events they on several occasions bought several hundred dollars worth of pizza from him and provided free supper for the competitors and even spectators at their events. Classy move!

In my last major business there were about ten of us in the area. A half-dozen or so of us worked together and prospered. The folks that tried to hog every dime for themselves were naturally left out of the loop since nobody is going to continually pass business to someone else when it is a one-way street.

I don't know the details here but I do know it is better for the players and the rooms if it is possible to work together. Sometimes it is a fact of life that they can't and that I can understand too. Other things in the area, curfews, various things I am not aware of, can force rooms to only have an event on one or two nights and then there is no option but to bang heads or not have an event.

Hu
 
Needs to be brought to light?

1pRoscoe said:
Well being as how not many people here understand that "Milo" (your wife) is highly biased towards City Lights/Malarkey's and that there is only one other pool hall within any distance of significance that just so happens to be owned by Manwon (Craig), I think that this needs to be brought to light.

Now - knowing this information, you don't see the baiting that was going on here with the initial conversation? (see my second post on this thread)
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If someone could have left the question anonymous then it would have been fine. But some people just have to make everything a personal matter where there isn't one. She (Andrea) was just asking a question to find out if this is really a common occurrence or if it is just in our area. It just seems that everyone would benefit from having more tourneys to play in. And just to answer your question, without names there can be no baiting so just ask yourself, WHO put the names in this thread?
Again just my thoughts on the subject,
Lawrence M. Maes
 
With the price of fuel being what it is and i can only afford 10-40 dollars a month in tourney entrys, i like having a tourney nearby.
 
ShootingArts said:
Tournaments are held on certain nights for many reasons, all business related. Often they are scheduled for what is usually the slowest night of the week if it is a weeknight tournament. Other times it is indeed to look like the happening place. Nothing promotes a business like a busy parking lot as someone has already pointed out.

However, really giving players a choice means having tournaments on different nights so that the players can choose to attend one or all. This means that some halls will have to take less desirable nights. When I was dirt tracking we had three in the area to begin with. They butted heads and everyone had short fields. Then the owners got together and rotated who had which day each season. All three tracks had full fields and so better stands and everyone was happy. The competitors knew what night they would be racing where each season. Then several more tracks opened and it was dog eat dog again. Soon we were down to two tracks to race at, now there is one.

Room owners could get together and cross promote their rooms as the local dirt tracks did for awhile. They would have to rotate more often but perhaps every three months after deciding the offset between themselves to begin with and drawing from a hat or cutting cards or whatever to decide who initially got which night.

Buffalo Billiards not only welcomes Jamie Farrell, another room owner, to play in their events they on several occasions bought several hundred dollars worth of pizza from him and provided free supper for the competitors and even spectators at their events. Classy move!

In my last major business there were about ten of us in the area. A half-dozen or so of us worked together and prospered. The folks that tried to hog every dime for themselves were naturally left out of the loop since nobody is going to continually pass business to someone else when it is a one-way street.

I don't know the details here but I do know it is better for the players and the rooms if it is possible to work together. Sometimes it is a fact of life that they can't and that I can understand too. Other things in the area, curfews, various things I am not aware of, can force rooms to only have an event on one or two nights and then there is no option but to bang heads or not have an event.

Hu
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Hu as always you have brought light into a dark tunnel. However, there is certain much more than meets the eye here, and as 1pRosco pointed out there is certainly Bias here.

I do not understand how some one can start a thread that involves another member directly but, doesn't expect that member to respond.

Thanks very much for your opinion Hu, as always I appreciate it.

Take Care
 
secretsquirrel said:
Ok Craig, if you want to make this personal let's talk about people calling people first. Why is it that when people come to the tourney that is NOT at your place, your tournament director feels the need to stalk them and call them at 1am while they are gambling to ask them why they were not there? Next question, why is it that you think that the busiest league nights are Tues and Thurs? Around here it's always been Mon and Thurs, are you living somewhere else? Next question, Why is it that someone asks a generalized question and you have to chime in as usual mentioning names and carrying on like it's a personal attack on you? Are you feeling guilty or something? All she was asking for was some OPINIONS from the wonderful people here on AZ but, it seems that you have some kind of problem with people asking an opinion without your permission. And lastly feel free to pm me with any names of team captains that she has supposedly called so I can correct you on that one too because, unless they were team captains at the other bar first she wouldn't have their number. So in the future please make sure that you have your FACTS straight before you chime in and hijack someone elses thread that is just asking a simple question.
The best to you,
Lawrence M. Maes:cool:
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Ok Craig, if you want to make this personal let's talk about people calling people first. Why is it that when people come to the tourney that is NOT at your place, your tournament director feels the need to stalk them and call them at 1am while they are gambling to ask them why they were not there? Next question, why is it that you think that the busiest league nights are Tues and Thurs? Around here it's always been Mon and Thurs, are you living somewhere else? Next question, Why is it that someone asks a generalized question and you have to chime in as usual mentioning names and carrying on like it's a personal attack on you? Are you feeling guilty or something?


First Larry, please separate your paragraphs in the future, trying to read the above mess is giving me a headache.:smile:

Now as for my tournament Director, we both know the issue there, the gentleman is Handicapped and yes he has some problems with calling people at inopportune times. But he was doing this long before I hired him to work for me part time. Pool is the only life he has, due directly to his handicap, and it is also the only enjoyment he has in life, so like I said Larry it is his total existence and you know this is true. Now we both know that while he does call people frequently and that can be a pain in the ass, he is certainly not a Stalker, in fact he is totally harmless. Maybe compassion is something you do not understand, and maybe it is OK to ridicule a mentally and physically handicapped person, however, that is a flaw with your character not mine.

Next, Larry your wife was doing nothing but stirring the pot like she has for years. You know and I know that she has a reputation for getting involved in things that do not apply to her, in some circles that is called being a busy body if people are speaking in a polite manner. Larry this thread involves me more than it involves you or your wife, because I am one of the local room owners who she was talking about. What do you think, that none of this was directed at me, if you do Larry your deluded.


Are you feeling guilty or something? All she was asking for was some OPINIONS from the wonderful people here on AZ but, it seems that you have some kind of problem with people asking an opinion without your permission. And lastly feel free to pm me with any names of team captains that she has supposedly called so I can correct you on that one too because, unless they were team captains at the other bar first she wouldn't have their number. So in the future please make sure that you have your FACTS straight before you chime in and hijack someone elses thread that is just asking a simple question.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions or for opinions, but a one sided conversation that only brings out selected facts is not the answer either. So please answer the following questions:

1. Do you and your wife get perks for promoting malarkeys - Like free pool time and other things?

2. Does your wife run tournaments at Malarkeys?

3. Has your wife, who only doing this Pool disrupted the Local BCA pool league, and went around the existing league operator so that her and her very small group can get qualified for the Nations. Is this for the good of pool she seeks, or is it a personal choice based upon something else:wink:


I am not going to violate a confidence between myself and anyone else, like I said those teams choose to move to my room without my insistence do to the Nonsense created with the BCA. Larry as far, having the facts straight, they are straight, and you can continue to deal with, and defend the issues of this thread, I mean she is your wife. However, you look foolish, to everyone who knows what is really going on here. This thread should not have been started in the first place because nothing can be solved here. The only people who can solve this are the Room Owners, and you and your wife certainly do not fit into that category, so please continue to stir the pot it is not going to help you or Malarkeys.

No disrespect intended, and please have a nice day!!!:smile:
 
1pRoscoe said:
Well of course you're supposed to defend your wife, it's expected even when she's wrong...
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Thanks for injecting some truth into this, you are certainly an unbiased voice that knows both parties. The Bull $hit was getting deep, thanks God it is raining today!!:smile:

Thanks
 
secretsquirrel said:
If someone could have left the question anonymous then it would have been fine. But some people just have to make everything a personal matter where there isn't one. She (Andrea) was just asking a question to find out if this is really a common occurrence or if it is just in our area. It just seems that everyone would benefit from having more tourneys to play in. And just to answer your question, without names there can be no baiting so just ask yourself, WHO put the names in this thread?
Again just my thoughts on the subject,
Lawrence M. Maes
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I am also a member of this forum and I have been a member longer than you or your wife. I am entitled to an opinion, especially when it involves me directly, which this does. It is not a question of being a personal matter as much, as it is a question of who should have done the talking and where the talking should have been done, which was privately not on an open forum.

If you can't see this, I am sorry for you, because sometimes people need to mind their own business and stay out things they have no control over.

I think the real question that should be asked is why there is a problem in the first place. Malarkeys has been the main Pool Room in this area for more than 20 year's. They use to have a great turn out for their wends day night 9 ball tournament, in fact it was the best in the Puget Sound area. However, I have never complained about the showing at my tournaments, people come and go that is the way things are. I was not even aware that Malarkeys tournament had fallen on hard times, and I do not have time to worry about such things. Players go where decent money is added, and where the equipment is taken care of. They also go where the actions is (Good Competition) and a tournament is a good place to play great players for little money.

I think that maybe she should try and figure out why things have changed because I have no idea why they have. I only know that I try and give my customers what they want, and to my limited knowledge the owners of Malarkeys are doing the same thing.

Just my thoughts:)
 
This seemed like a pretty innocent question, one that I might ask about my own city. But the thread sure has turned in a way I didn't expect. Yikes.
 
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