why in the world 3 fouls is not..
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You just can't have it in 8-ball. There are too many balls that you can take BIH and play other safes on. In 9-ball, you still have to make a good hit on the lowest ball on the table to get the ball safe a couple times.
Picture this, you break and run most of your balls and get hooked on the 8-ball. I get BIH with all mine on the table. I choose 1 cluster (say the 1,2 and 3) and freeze you to 2 balls and the rail. You kick and foul again. Then I can go to another cluster and freeze you to another ball easily and you foul, game over.
With having so many object balls be a legal hit for me, it's way too easy to 3 foul someone.
Picture this, you break and run most of your balls and get hooked on the 8-ball. I get BIH with all mine on the table. I choose 1 cluster (say the 1,2 and 3) and freeze you to 2 balls and the rail. You kick and foul again. Then I can go to another cluster and freeze you to another ball easily and you foul, game over.
With having so many object balls be a legal hit for me, it's way too easy to 3 foul someone.
Exactly...the fact that I can hook you behind the ball that I just hit makes it way to easy. Any ball by a rail can be used to trap opponent.
Nick
Nick
Hope it never is
I come from an era of play where you made an attempt to pocket a ball first, then if you ended up safe, that was fine (continuous safe play was for 1 pocket). If you went for safe every shot, you would probably be carried out on a stretcher. Just different places, and different times I guess. I do not like the 9 ball rule either. I want to see the winner sink the 9, or the 8 in this case.
I come from an era of play where you made an attempt to pocket a ball first, then if you ended up safe, that was fine (continuous safe play was for 1 pocket). If you went for safe every shot, you would probably be carried out on a stretcher. Just different places, and different times I guess. I do not like the 9 ball rule either. I want to see the winner sink the 9, or the 8 in this case.
Why is there not a loss of game penalty for 3 consecutive fouls in 8ball???:angry:
8 ball lends itself more to this rule then 9 ball,and yet the rule applies only to
9.
Can someone from a rules committee explain this?
Thanks in advance,Jack
Gosh, no. (For the very reasons stuckart mentions.)
What's next -- people asking, "why in the world Texas Express is not used in 8-ball?"
Don't go there, please! 9-ball is enough of a virus as is.-Sean
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Why is there not a loss of game penalty for 3 consecutive fouls in 8ball???:angry:
8 ball lends itself more to this rule then 9 ball,and yet the rule applies only to
9.
Can someone from a rules committee explain this?
Thanks in advance,Jack
Simple question needs an answer.
We (the BCA Rules Committee) tossed that rule around for quite a long time. It just didn't fit into our mind set. We have always felt that a player should have to win the game by shooting the 8-ball, not losing by some rule. Now I know there are some situations where a player will win not having to shoot the final ball in the pocket BUT not because of the 3-foul rule.
Most of the basic BCA Rules were written before Texas Express. Every year they get refined and I enjoy that although I am no longer associated with any Rules Committee. I served on the BCA Rules Committee for almost 30 years, I actually started with the BCA in 1965. I was there when Ball-in-hand was introduced, what a trip that year was.
Another neat note is our BCA Rules Committee adopted Texas Express 9-Ball Rules under the name BCA 9-Ball Rules.
We can thank John Lewis for keeping The WPA Rules & BCA Rules the same.
SPF=randyg
Tell you what, play three foul 8 Ball for a while and then come back and tell us if you don't think it is chicken sh!t.
You are playing and your opponent tries to shoot their last ball in the corner
which is partially obstructed by the 8.They do not pocket their ball but instead leave it in front of the 8. You have 4 balls on table,none offering a safe way to pocket your opponents ball and clear a much needed pocket for
the 8.
You play safe,opponent shoots in one your balls.you play safe again and again and again.Opponent shoot all of your balls in and now what?
Stalemate? Now that is chicken-shit!
A big thank you to Randy G for his insight.
which is partially obstructed by the 8.They do not pocket their ball but instead leave it in front of the 8. You have 4 balls on table,none offering a safe way to pocket your opponents ball and clear a much needed pocket for
the 8.
You play safe,opponent shoots in one your balls.you play safe again and again and again.Opponent shoot all of your balls in and now what?
Stalemate? Now that is chicken-shit!
A big thank you to Randy G for his insight.
That's your fault if you lose that game. The worse thing you can do in 8-ball is shoot all your balls in and not get out. In this case, you get ball-in-hand after everytime your opponent shoots one of your balls in. Figure out how to improve your position! Put one of your balls in play, break up his ball and the 8, make a ball and break open the 8. Do something! Even if he shoots in your last ball, you get BIH with just the 8-ball left. Play safe off that ball or shoot it in if there is a pocket.
You mean with 4 of your balls left and BIH after each of your opponent's shots you couldn't find any way of attempting to deal with the clustered 8 ball?
I doubt that scenario would come up very often versus how often three fouls would be attempted. Like I said, play some three foul 8 ball and then see if you like the idea. To me a three foul rule in 8 Ball would just be giving the weaker player weight.
frankly and succinctly, if the 8 hangs and there is one (or two) stripes frozen to it blocking any path the the 8..... well, without a 3 foul rule this game has just become a JOKE. a total joke. people that say this rarely happens are fooling themselves..... i have seen it happen many times. each player fouls and fouls and fouls until somebody does something really dumb and loses.
if you are in the camp that there should be no stalemates (i am in this camp), three foul is a MUST here, no arguing, it is simply just a must have.
good thread.
ps, what i proposed in 9 ball was a 3 foul rule, but the break cant count as one of the fouls. too many times i see a good player scratch on the break and lose as he simply didnt make 2 almost impossible hits. i just dont think the break foul should be counted.
if you are in the camp that there should be no stalemates (i am in this camp), three foul is a MUST here, no arguing, it is simply just a must have.
good thread.
ps, what i proposed in 9 ball was a 3 foul rule, but the break cant count as one of the fouls. too many times i see a good player scratch on the break and lose as he simply didnt make 2 almost impossible hits. i just dont think the break foul should be counted.
I'd much rather have a stalemate rule to deal with the situation that you describe. I play 8 Ball every week and it hasn't happened yet. Between that and a 3 foul rule the stalemate is definitely the lesser of two evils.
We play 8 ball that way
In the basement we play. Three fouls, and your out. It is a douche move though for sure. We also call the 9 in 9 ball. Uncalled 9 is spotted, and playing for the run out instead of combos on the 9 is an unspoken rule. Unless it cant be avoided.
Thats my reality and I like it.
In the basement we play. Three fouls, and your out. It is a douche move though for sure. We also call the 9 in 9 ball. Uncalled 9 is spotted, and playing for the run out instead of combos on the 9 is an unspoken rule. Unless it cant be avoided.
Thats my reality and I like it.
Gosh, no. (For the very reasons stuckart mentions.)
What's next -- people asking, "why in the world Texas Express is not used in 8-ball?"
-Sean
Sean,
Read the new rules for BCAPL eight ball. That's exactly what they have done. Ball in hand anywhere on the table if your opponent scratches or fouls on the break. Ball in hand is the very essence of the Texas Express rules package. Only difference I see is "slop" is not allowed on any ball. Thank the pool gods for call shot in BCAPL eight ball.
Lyn