Why is everyone so obsessed...

JesseBfan

JesseBfan

Motivation, where are u?
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With killing all runouts? I think it's truly a thing of beauty when a guy breaks 'em hard and runs out 3+ racks in a row. I think 10 ball is definitely the game for now and the future. I also like winner breaks better than alternate the breaks because every shot has the potential of being your last if you fail. It makes the game more dramatic and gives a guy who is behind 7-2 a chance to win. DON'T make the pockets tighter! DON'T add more balls! Just leave the game alone, it's beautiful just like it is.

Just my opinions of course
 
There's nothing finer, or more satisfying, than eight and out in One Pocket. Especially off the break.
As the late, great, Willie Jopling would say. "Outsville." :)
 
JesseBfan said:
With killing all runouts? I think it's truly a thing of beauty when a guy breaks 'em hard and runs out 3+ racks in a row. I think 10 ball is definitely the game for now and the future. I also like winner breaks better than alternate the breaks because every shot has the potential of being your last if you fail. It makes the game more dramatic and gives a guy who is behind 7-2 a chance to win. DON'T make the pockets tighter! DON'T add more balls! Just leave the game alone, it's beautiful just like it is.

Just my opinions of course
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Agreed 95%. Still, I've often sugested that just like golf does in its major championships, pool should make playing conditions more difficult in its most prestigious tournaments, as it helps weed out the truly elite.

A US Open golf course is set up to be a greater test of skills than what is customary in a regular tour event. I think that, similarly, an event like the US Open 9 ball should be played on equipment that is tighter than is customary.

And, yes, winner breaks is the only way to play! Watching players string racks can be electrifying. The number of four packs or more seen at the Riviera a couple of weeks ago was, quite possibly, greater than in any ten ball event ever played, It gave testament to the brilliance of the players, and
excited all those in attendance.
 
sjm said:
[...] pool should make playing conditions more difficult in its most prestigious tournaments, as it helps weed out the truly elite.

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But-but-but Stu, wouldn't we want to weed out everyone but the truly elite? Weeding out the elite would be the process used for the neighborhood ring game, to make sure ringers don't take everyone's easy money...

:p

J/K
-Sean
 
I agree. There's nothing better than to string a few racks together. I have played over my head a few times and ran 3 or 4 against a really good player or two. You would be amazed at how much pressure that puts on the other player. I would wager it's more than tight pockets at the highest level. If someone is playing lights out against you, put together a package deal for them and see what happens to their game.

From another angle, watching your adversary dog balls will not make you play better in the long run.
 
JesseBfan said:
With killing all runouts? I think it's truly a thing of beauty when a guy breaks 'em hard and runs out 3+ racks in a row. I think 10 ball is definitely the game for now and the future. I also like winner breaks better than alternate the breaks because every shot has the potential of being your last if you fail. It makes the game more dramatic and gives a guy who is behind 7-2 a chance to win. DON'T make the pockets tighter! DON'T add more balls! Just leave the game alone, it's beautiful just like it is.

Just my opinions of course
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I like your opinions and I agree with you.......if a player runs 3 or 4 racks on you and you get back to the table you better take advantage of your turn and not make a mistake.

James
 
sjm said:
Agreed 95%. Still, I've often sugested that just like golf does in its major championships, pool should make playing conditions more difficult in its most prestigious tournaments, as it helps weed out the truly elite.

A US Open golf course is set up to be a greater test of skills than what is customary in a regular tour event. I think that, similarly, an event like the US Open 9 ball should be played on equipment that is tighter than is customary.

And, yes, winner breaks is the only way to play! Watching players string racks can be electrifying. The number of four packs or more seen at the Riviera a couple of weeks ago was, quite possibly, greater than in any ten ball event ever played, It gave testament to the brilliance of the players, and
excited all those in attendance.
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I agree with some things you say, but there have been several U.S. Open golf tourneys that were far beyond tough, they were just plain unfair. I forget what course it was on, but a few years ago the greens were so hard and dry, the ball just wouldn't stay on. That's not tough, that's ridiculous! I like watching lefty hit that baloon fade around a tree and stick it 3 feet from the pin and seeing the ball check up and roll back 6 inches. The same goes for pool too, it should be tough, but fair. I don't wanna watch 2 pros bangin balls around and missing a lot, hell, I can just look in the mirror and see that, lol.

Joe
 
Tramp Steamer said:
There's nothing finer, or more satisfying, than eight and out in One Pocket. Especially off the break.
As the late, great, Willie Jopling would say. "Outsville." :)
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A 100+ ball run in straight pool is impressive to watch, too.

I'd take either over watching a guy string a few racks of 9-ball.
 
JesseBfan said:
I also like winner breaks better than alternate the breaks because every shot has the potential of being your last if you fail. It makes the game more dramatic and gives a guy who is behind 7-2 a chance to win.
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You can turn tables from 2-7 in race to 9 with alternate breaks even against the very best in the world. That said I like winner breaks more though :grin:
 
They do all this crap because people hate to lose, but don't want to put the time in to practice. Instead, they find ways to modify and handicap the best players so that it makes it "fair" for everyone else....

Pool is the only sport/game where this really is in effect. In basketball, for example, if a guy shoots better than you, you go practice your jump shots. If a guy out jumps you, you go jump rope every day, etc....

In pool:
A guy breaks better than you - break restrictions (in the box)
A guy runs out more than you - alternate break
A guy makes the 9/10 ball on break - it doesn't count now
A guy jumps better than you - jump/gimmick cues or no jumping rules
A guy plays better safes - no 3 foul rule

Here's some good advice: stop whining and go practice. There are tons of books, dvds and other resources out there, as well as instructors willing to help you improve.
It takes time, but meanwhile, don't basterdize the game of pool because you can't make a ball.
 
Wybrook said:
They do all this crap because people hate to lose, but don't want to put the time in to practice. Instead, they find ways to modify and handicap the best players so that it makes it "fair" for everyone else....

Pool is the only sport/game where this really is in effect. In basketball, for example, if a guy shoots better than you, you go practice your jump shots. If a guy out jumps you, you go jump rope every day, etc....

In pool:
A guy breaks better than you - break restrictions (in the box)
A guy runs out more than you - alternate break
A guy makes the 9/10 ball on break - it doesn't count now
A guy jumps better than you - jump/gimmick cues or no jumping rules
A guy plays better safes - no 3 foul rule

Here's some good advice: stop whining and go practice. There are tons of books, dvds and other resources out there, as well as instructors willing to help you improve.
It takes time, but meanwhile, don't basterdize the game of pool because you can't make a ball.
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Nice post...similar to saying where everyone gets either a trophy, ribbon, or ice cream afterwards regardless if they got 1st or last...just more in depth :D. Who really wants an 16th place trophy anyways?! Gimme that damn ice cream...specifically peanut butter cup blizzard with two scoops of the peanut butter cup...and thank you.
 
Nice post Adam

Very nice post Adam. But next time you should just tell everyone how you really feel. BTW, since your on here now you should take the time to start a thread and let everyone know about the new room in Orlando (if you haven't already).

And for those who want tighter pockets, as my old friend Scotty Townsend always says, "If you want to play on tighter pockets, just raise the bet, they'll tighten right up."
 
Wybrook said:
They do all this crap because people hate to lose, but don't want to put the time in to practice. Instead, they find ways to modify and handicap the best players so that it makes it "fair" for everyone else....

Pool is the only sport/game where this really is in effect. In basketball, for example, if a guy shoots better than you, you go practice your jump shots. If a guy out jumps you, you go jump rope every day, etc....

In pool:
A guy breaks better than you - break restrictions (in the box)
A guy runs out more than you - alternate break
A guy makes the 9/10 ball on break - it doesn't count now
A guy jumps better than you - jump/gimmick cues or no jumping rules
A guy plays better safes - no 3 foul rule

Here's some good advice: stop whining and go practice. There are tons of books, dvds and other resources out there, as well as instructors willing to help you improve.
It takes time, but meanwhile, don't basterdize the game of pool because you can't make a ball.
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I agree with everything except alternating the break. In basketball, for instance, if a guy outscores you, you don't give him the ball back when he scores. You get it.

I know people like to see players string racks. To me it's still exciting with alternating break. In bowling, players still string strikes and it's exciting to watch. The other player just gets his chance to string strikes as well.

This, coupled with the fact that I have the worst break in the free world, makes me like alternating break better.
 
Wybrook said:
They do all this crap because people hate to lose, but don't want to put the time in to practice. Instead, they find ways to modify and handicap the best players so that it makes it "fair" for everyone else....

Pool is the only sport/game where this really is in effect. In basketball, for example, if a guy shoots better than you, you go practice your jump shots. If a guy out jumps you, you go jump rope every day, etc....

In pool:
A guy breaks better than you - break restrictions (in the box)
A guy runs out more than you - alternate break
A guy makes the 9/10 ball on break - it doesn't count now
A guy jumps better than you - jump/gimmick cues or no jumping rules
A guy plays better safes - no 3 foul rule

Here's some good advice: stop whining and go practice. There are tons of books, dvds and other resources out there, as well as instructors willing to help you improve.
It takes time, but meanwhile, don't basterdize the game of pool because you can't make a ball.
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how true! and the funny thing is...all the people making up these rules are the ones trying to get better, the problem is if they DO get better and get to the point they want...all those rules they made up now come back to bite them
 
Wybrook said:
They do all this crap because people hate to lose, but don't want to put the time in to practice. Instead, they find ways to modify and handicap the best players so that it makes it "fair" for everyone else....

Pool is the only sport/game where this really is in effect. In basketball, for example, if a guy shoots better than you, you go practice your jump shots. If a guy out jumps you, you go jump rope every day, etc....

In pool:
A guy breaks better than you - break restrictions (in the box)
A guy runs out more than you - alternate break
A guy makes the 9/10 ball on break - it doesn't count now
A guy jumps better than you - jump/gimmick cues or no jumping rules
A guy plays better safes - no 3 foul rule

Here's some good advice: stop whining and go practice. There are tons of books, dvds and other resources out there, as well as instructors willing to help you improve.
It takes time, but meanwhile, don't basterdize the game of pool because you can't make a ball.
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I don't think 9 ball was played with the 9 staying down in the old days , i may be wrong . 9 ball rules changed . I think the 9 was spotted on the break . If a player is the superior player he doesn't want to count slop does he ?I agree with most of what you said .


Corey Deuel perfects his soft break and then all the sudden a certain amount of balls have to pass the head string .
 
Different is what makes pool better

Mike Templeton said:
I agree with everything except alternating the break. In basketball, for instance, if a guy outscores you, you don't give him the ball back when he scores. You get it.

I know people like to see players string racks. To me it's still exciting with alternating break. In bowling, players still string strikes and it's exciting to watch. The other player just gets his chance to string strikes as well.

This, coupled with the fact that I have the worst break in the free world, makes me like alternating break better.
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One of the aspects that makes pool such a great game is that it is not like basketball or bowling. In pool, as long as you are at the table, your opponent can not beat you. Why should they be given a chance to beat you every other game when they haven't earned that chance?

And if your break is really that bad, I'm sure Adam would tell to practice your break. I, on the other hand, would suggest that you learn how to "slug" rack, then spot your opponent the break.
 
just one more little thing..

People always like to talk about making pool more public friendly, a game that the masses(non-players) will understand more easily and therefore better for TV.

The first thing that should go to accomplish that is doing away with Alternate breaks. YES you get to see both players play that way, and in my opinion that is the ONLY benefit to that rule-set. The biggest problem for me is that if 2 random guys play pool casually in a bar or something they aren't alternating anything. WINNER stays on the table as they say. NOT ONE of these casual players understand Alt Breaks. But they certainly do get Winner breaks.
 
M HOUSE said:
And for those who want tighter pockets, as my old friend Scotty Townsend always says, "If you want to play on tighter pockets, just raise the bet, they'll tighten right up."
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AWESOME QUOTE from one of the most colorful characters our game has ever had! Thanks for sharing that, I hadn't heard it before. So True!!!

Pockets don't need to be any tighter IMO than they are now at pro events. If they get much smaller, alot of the creativity will be lost. Players will have to cinch more balls than they should and that would certainly not be as much fun to watch or to play. I've played on some supertight equipment and watched the likes of Archer and Nevel play on the same stuff, the game is not the same. The game is alot more caveman like when the pockets are small. Not to even get into that players will play alot more safes and I GUARANTEE this favors the better player alot more than runout games. ALL THE GREAT PLAYERS make balls at a rate that is somewhat close to their opponent. But they all move very different. I think when 2 great players play long matches(aside from the break) the thing that distances one player from another is how well they move.
 
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