Schmelke made me a 17 oz. cue last year. I like it!
why is it too hard to find 17oz cue?
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I have a 2010 Pechauer PO2-K, (Sneaky), that is a 1 piece curly maple butt
that weighs 10.5oz without a weight bolt. The maple shaft weighs 4.6oz.
I experimented with several weight bolts and settled on using their 3.1oz bolt
which makes the total cue weigh of 18.2 and 18.75 balance point.
This cue is a fabulous piece of wood and their finish is excellent.
This butt is fat, .87 joint and 1.27 at the butt end. These numbers are accurate.
I break with this cue now and play with my Rick Howard.
I could easily have it at 17oz or lower with a lighter CF shaft and using a lighter
weight bolt and still have a normal balance point anywhere I wanted between 17" - 20".
Also, McDermott has their new Sneaky Petes, made here not China, that seem to be a 1 piece butt
that is solid maple similar to the Pechauer that I have.
There is one on Ebay that is advertised as a 13oz butt with a 4.5oz shaft. A Predator CF shaft
is probably an ounce lighter, I have no experience with CF and don't know how these butts
are weighted or about their balance points. This cue is $299 which is about $100 less than Pechauer.
Here is a link for the Ebay McDermott.
McDermott Sneaky Pete Pool Cue. Model GSP1 Red Stained | eBay
that weighs 10.5oz without a weight bolt. The maple shaft weighs 4.6oz.
I experimented with several weight bolts and settled on using their 3.1oz bolt
which makes the total cue weigh of 18.2 and 18.75 balance point.
This cue is a fabulous piece of wood and their finish is excellent.
This butt is fat, .87 joint and 1.27 at the butt end. These numbers are accurate.
I break with this cue now and play with my Rick Howard.
I could easily have it at 17oz or lower with a lighter CF shaft and using a lighter
weight bolt and still have a normal balance point anywhere I wanted between 17" - 20".
Also, McDermott has their new Sneaky Petes, made here not China, that seem to be a 1 piece butt
that is solid maple similar to the Pechauer that I have.
There is one on Ebay that is advertised as a 13oz butt with a 4.5oz shaft. A Predator CF shaft
is probably an ounce lighter, I have no experience with CF and don't know how these butts
are weighted or about their balance points. This cue is $299 which is about $100 less than Pechauer.
Here is a link for the Ebay McDermott.
McDermott Sneaky Pete Pool Cue. Model GSP1 Red Stained | eBay
Building a 17oz cue is not that big of a deal. Getting one from Predator might be a challenge. It is my preferred weight but my main player is 17.8 right now.
My Tascarella below is 17.8 ounces. Butt is 14oz. and shafts are 17.8oz. And it has a stainless steel joint and brazillian rosewood. It has a thinner butt, as thin as Pete will go. Striaght maple and brazillian rosewwod which are not especially heavy woods.
Avoid using heavy woods, go a little thinner on the butt and you will be fine. Not sure if you are open to a custom cue.
Lots of cues have pretty hefty weight bolts so if you find a cue that is around 18oz and it has a weight bolt it will be around 17.
Another thing to consider is "perceived weight". Because of the SS joint, my Tasc is balanced a little more forward than normal so it "feels" like it is 17oz. A SS Joss or Schon around 180z will likely feel around 17 as well.
If you go maple shafts (not sure from original post) my experience is not to go below 3.5oz. Below that and the shafts just don't feel solid.
Hope this helps.
My Tascarella below is 17.8 ounces. Butt is 14oz. and shafts are 17.8oz. And it has a stainless steel joint and brazillian rosewood. It has a thinner butt, as thin as Pete will go. Striaght maple and brazillian rosewwod which are not especially heavy woods.
Avoid using heavy woods, go a little thinner on the butt and you will be fine. Not sure if you are open to a custom cue.
Lots of cues have pretty hefty weight bolts so if you find a cue that is around 18oz and it has a weight bolt it will be around 17.
Another thing to consider is "perceived weight". Because of the SS joint, my Tasc is balanced a little more forward than normal so it "feels" like it is 17oz. A SS Joss or Schon around 180z will likely feel around 17 as well.
If you go maple shafts (not sure from original post) my experience is not to go below 3.5oz. Below that and the shafts just don't feel solid.
Hope this helps.
i have 2 conversions we finished last week and 1 is total cue weight of 14.4 oz
and the other is 15.4 oz total cue weight.
they both are a wrapless full splice 4 pointer 4 veneer cue. they turned out super nice. i built them for a couple of local friends where i live cause they wanted super duper light. and they flaked out on me.
each cue is 375.00 shipped paypal f&f pm me or text me at 913 334 8414
both cues are brand new and never hit a ball.
Predator were nice enough to search for me a butt that weight 13oz, then combined with a 4oz shaft it shall be 17oz, but sadly today I received an email that there was no luck.
I might try to find a schmelke butt wrapless 13oz, that will have a uni-loc joint to match a predator revo 4oz shaft? is that a possibility?
I might try to find a schmelke butt wrapless 13oz, that will have a uni-loc joint to match a predator revo 4oz shaft? is that a possibility?
Because there is very little demand for them.
For a 17 oz cue to have some cue ball action, the shooter would have to be a major elbow dropper .
For a 17 oz cue to have some cue ball action, the shooter would have to be a major elbow dropper .
I bought a 21 oz cuetec 11mm snooker cue because I like the smaller butt and chamfered end taper. To use it for pool I bought an R360 cuetec 13mm low deflection pool shaft. By replacing the snooker shaft with the pool shaft the combined cue weight was lowered to 16.7 oz. Incredible on fast cloth and/or cushions.
Ok I will call them, thanks!
Anyone who's good in search can find me the thread where they spoke about the ratio of shaft weight versus butt weight? I'm interested in knowing how much my butt should weight for optimum if my shaft is 4oz, is 13oz butt optimum? I want the percentage that I saw once but I cant find the thread anymore.
Anyone who's good in search can find me the thread where they spoke about the ratio of shaft weight versus butt weight? I'm interested in knowing how much my butt should weight for optimum if my shaft is 4oz, is 13oz butt optimum? I want the percentage that I saw once but I cant find the thread anymore.
I do not agree with that at all. In fact, I think it is a bit of the opposite. "Action" is determined purely by spin and velocity. F=MA. And it is not like 1oz produces significantly more velocity with an 18oz cue. It is easier to stroke a 17oz cue faster than a heavy cue. I know that there is this school of thought that heavier stiffer cues like a SW provide more action, but I think that is complete hogwash. In fact I can produce more draw or follow consistently with a 17oz cue than I could a 20oz cue. Lots of confirmation bias in that statement. It also goes against much of the scientific trends in other sports such as baseball and gold where lighter=faster=more distance. Also, I am pretty sure that it has been proven that lighter break cues are more effective than heavy ones and that is purely a function of producing velocity.
In addition 17oz cues generally deflect less which is another big advantage,
Here is a good option from Schmelke ... which I like.
www.schmelkecue.com
Simple sneaky butt with nice wood combo. It's available from 15 to 18 oz with a shaft in 60" but I believe they can make it in 58" with no problem. Rosewood in the bottom should be good for the combo 4 oz shaft and light 13oz butt. Quick release joint is available for +12$.
There are a few more light weight options there. So it's up to your taste.
When it comes to your question about shaft/weight ratio. In your case it will be 23,5% which is good.
Good luck with your choice.
SPC04 4-Prong Rosewood 60 inches Lt. Wt.
The SPC04 is a 60" (snooker) cue designed for the player who needs a light weight (15-18 ounce) well balanced cue. This cue is crafted with a 4-prong Rosewood cue butt, premium hard maple shaft and a joint #3 5/16" diameter,18 tpi, giving this cue a natural soft hit. The soft tip and high...
www.schmelkecue.com
There are a few more light weight options there. So it's up to your taste.
When it comes to your question about shaft/weight ratio. In your case it will be 23,5% which is good.
Good luck with your choice.
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thanks for finding me one, but I'm not a sneaky pete guy, I'm really interested in schmelke cues, I'm seek for one that is wrap-less, and can go to 17oz, i.e. the butt must be 13oz.Here is a good option from Schmelke ... which I like.
Simple sneaky butt with nice wood combo. It's available from 15 to 18 oz with a shaft in 60" but I believe they can make it in 58" with no problem. Rosewood in the bottom should be good for the combo 4 oz shaft and light 13oz butt. Quick release joint is available for +12$.SPC04 4-Prong Rosewood 60 inches Lt. Wt.
The SPC04 is a 60" (snooker) cue designed for the player who needs a light weight (15-18 ounce) well balanced cue. This cue is crafted with a 4-prong Rosewood cue butt, premium hard maple shaft and a joint #3 5/16" diameter,18 tpi, giving this cue a natural soft hit. The soft tip and high...
There are a few more light weight options there. So it's up to your taste.
When it comes to your question about shaft/weight ratio. In your case it will be 23,5% which is good.
Good luck with your choice.
Sorry, a 17 oz cue does not deflect less than a heavier cue unless the front end has lower mass.
All things being equal, it's easier to move the cue ball with heavier cues .
That's why they had heavy cues before Simonis came around.
If you need more velocity to get some action on the cue ball , then you will have to stroke harder .
E=MC squared
All things being equal, it's easier to move the cue ball with heavier cues .
That's why they had heavy cues before Simonis came around.
If you need more velocity to get some action on the cue ball , then you will have to stroke harder .
E=MC squared
Is this what you are looking for?
pool cue shaft/butt weight ratio
so I'm been surveying a few different cues spec-wise and have noticed that when the shaft is heavier the cue *feels* heavier regardless of whether or not that's actually the case for instance I have one cue that weighs 19.7, with a shaft/butt weight ratio of 22/78 another cue I have weighs 19.5...
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I'd drive myself crazy obsessing on that sort of detail. Heck, I've cleaned up with an old beat-up cue off the wall in pool rooms. I'd rather play with a nice custom and I do, but adaptability is pretty important in pool, I think.
Anyway, good luck and hope you get a sweet, light cue! When I was starting out, the guy running the pool room played with a 15 3/4 oz, and he played pretty stout.
As I said there are some other options there ... Honestly I would just contact them directly and had some talk ... to find out if they could do what I look for.
Here's the deal on heavier cues vs. lighter cues, from the perspective of how to play with them. A well made heavy cue (20 oz. or more) can do all the heavy work for you (pun intended). In other words, you only have to guide the cue through the ball and it will do the rest. Aim high and it will follow. Aim low and it will draw. Simple enough right. Using a lighter cue (15-17 oz.) you must provide the impetus with your arm. In other words, You have to "swing it" to make the cue work for you. It takes a stroke to move the cue ball around, and simply guiding the cue through the cue ball won't get the job done. Either way works if you know how to do it properly. I hope this helps.
I know this is a simplistic description but it's the best my feeble mind can come up with. If you want science check with Jewett or Dr. Dave.
I know this is a simplistic description but it's the best my feeble mind can come up with. If you want science check with Jewett or Dr. Dave.
I don't know how I found this thread, but it caught my interest. So I have four P3 cues and figured I'd weigh them each. Here's a picture that shows their balance point (the position of the joint protector).
The weights (with end plug and all weight bolts out) are:
13.3 oz (Red)
13.4 oz (Grey)
13.5 oz (Melange with wrap)
13.7 oz (Melange w/o wrap)
13.7 oz (Ikon)
The weights that I had in each were:
0.7 oz
0.4 oz
0.2 oz
0.4 oz
0.5 oz
I balanced each independently to where I felt I liked it most. Apparently, I find the balance of a 13.8 - 14.2 oz butt the best. All of my Revos (2x12.4 and 2x11.8) weigh 4.0, although the balance points are different (11.8s are more forward weighted, so more centered balance point).
Sorry to resurrect an old thread.
The weights (with end plug and all weight bolts out) are:
13.3 oz (Red)
13.4 oz (Grey)
13.5 oz (Melange with wrap)
13.7 oz (Melange w/o wrap)
13.7 oz (Ikon)
The weights that I had in each were:
0.7 oz
0.4 oz
0.2 oz
0.4 oz
0.5 oz
I balanced each independently to where I felt I liked it most. Apparently, I find the balance of a 13.8 - 14.2 oz butt the best. All of my Revos (2x12.4 and 2x11.8) weigh 4.0, although the balance points are different (11.8s are more forward weighted, so more centered balance point).
Sorry to resurrect an old thread.
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All components of a cue contribute to the weight. Woods are all different weights, some are quite heavy. Choice of joints can change weight. Wraps can also add different weights. Bolts sizes can change weights. So it can be a balancing act if you want a lighter weight custom with a dense heavy weight with heavy joint. But most cues are in the 18 oz range, so orders for 17 are not usual. But a good cue maker can usually do it.
Saw off a portion of the weight bolt , small ones at a time to get the weight you want.
I did that with a 21 ounce sneaky, chopped off the slug end and made it perfect for me.
I did that with a 21 ounce sneaky, chopped off the slug end and made it perfect for me.