Why is Ivory still considered an ok material in the pool world
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but i assure you i am not. Been a member since 06, but stopped playing due to work schedules. The office installed a new game room with a pool table a few months ago and now I am back playing
but i assure you i am not. Been a member since 06, but stopped playing due to work schedules. The office installed a new game room with a pool table a few months ago and now I am back playing Whatever. You're entitled to yours as I am to mine.
Why do people use ivory, cause diamonds ok. It looks nice, is nice to own and has a resale value, those are the reasons. Most don't think of how or where it came from just like "your" meat and leather jacket, you take it at face value that the materials were obtained through the proper channels and that helps you sleep at night. Cue makers charge an arm and a leg for it now cause their "so called" stash is low so it cost more, you'll see it's use drop as they run out of this what do you call it "legal ivory" lol medical marijuana concept.
You ask question and then go all d-bag on a reply to a reply. smh
Not true.
When all the current stock of confiscated ivory are used up, you're still left with a demand for poached ivory that was sustained by the access to confiscated ivory. Then poachers will still continue to poach.
People are delusional if they think just by using 'pre-ban' that they don't somehow contribute to illegal poaching. First, there is bound to be poached ivory passed off as pre-ban. Second, when pre-bans run out, a demand for ivory would've been sustained by people whose habits have been kept with pre-bans. Demand leads to poaching. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. You can make yourself feel better with excuses, but you're part of the problem either big or small if you demand ivory.
I've got 1 cue with ivory in it. I've decided that I will steer away from ivory products going forward.
that would mean so is the 72.6
3847.93% of facepalm is required for the above post.
The demand for ivory in the cue market is pretty darn small. It's generally relegated to old ivory. I highly doubt any elephants have been downed illegally to support the cue market in the last decade or two.
In my opinion I love how ivory looks. The cues I have made for me are generally (right now at least for the last few years) four point, four veneers, no inlays, SS joint and with an ivory Hoppe ring. The Hoppe ring is most often made of an old CB. I do love the hit of an ivory ferrule even though I don't have a single shaft that has one right now.
In my opinion I love how ivory looks. The cues I have made for me are generally (right now at least for the last few years) four point, four veneers, no inlays, SS joint and with an ivory Hoppe ring. The Hoppe ring is most often made of an old CB. I do love the hit of an ivory ferrule even though I don't have a single shaft that has one right now.
ivory
Zimbabwe has to many elephants.
Zimbabwe has to many elephants.
Ron Swanson
Banned
People's concerns over this issue, in order:
1. The value of their asset.
2. The hit of their cue.
3. Their ego.
4. Bragging rights.
5. Having a belief to cling to.
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87. The elephant.
Ron Swanson
Banned
Since when has lowering the price of something decreased demand?
I bet nobody is smuggling marijuana to Colorado these days.
Law off supply and demand...
I can not imagine how many tons the US and other countries has stockpiled ..just imagine if you flood the market with cheap ivory
I can not imagine how many tons the US and other countries has stockpiled ..just imagine if you flood the market with cheap ivory
Law off supply and demand...
I can not imagine how many tons the US and other countries has stockpiled ..just imagine if you flood the market with cheap ivory
You may need to revisit your logic of your perceived law of supply and demand. It's flawed.
Law off supply and demand...
I can not imagine how many tons the US and other countries has stockpiled ..just imagine if you flood the market with cheap ivory
That might not work and quite possibly could even make the poaching worse. But for the sake of argument let's say that it would work. What would happen once all that ivory they flooded the market with got used up? You are right back in the same boat we are in now, that's what. It would at best just delay the inevitable by a few years.
And all that ivory they flooded the market with would likely get used up real fast too since it was cheap. You have also likely created a whole bunch more ivory addicts now because a lot of the people who used to avoid it based on price have now become fans of it. So now not only are we relatively quickly back in the exact same boat as we are now, but we are even worse off because we created an even bigger demand and bigger market for the stuff.
It sucks but the only way you will stop the elephants from being poached into extinction is to eliminate almost all of the demand for ivory. And the one and only way to eliminate almost all of the demand for ivory is to make it illegal to sell in any form in every country around the world.
Why don't we make every item YOU suggest illegal and then we can live in your world and be eliminated from our own world.
I am amazed with everyone one who thinks "if we just pass another law, this problem or that problem will be eliminated".
making ivory illegal in any country will not save elephants. You might consider how the buffalo was saved and use that as a starting point for preserving elephants.
I am amazed with everyone one who thinks "if we just pass another law, this problem or that problem will be eliminated".
making ivory illegal in any country will not save elephants. You might consider how the buffalo was saved and use that as a starting point for preserving elephants.
Ivory is still being used because it is legal, and using liberal bone inlays for some reason is illegal... just sayin'
JV
JV
If you all want to know about the use of ivory from the cue maker and scrimshander point of view go to Sandra Brady's website and follow the links.
I personally don't see the need to use ivory but then I use leather. I had at one time thought about not using leather at all but the fact is that it is a natural material that is a by product of the meat industry. Ivory at one time was in much higher demand as pool balls and many consumer items were made from it.
The issue is complex. It's not as easy as saying don't use this material because animals are being killed for just the ivory. Any material, any thing that is desireable will lead to a black market when it's made illegal to trade in. This has been the case for all goods throughout history. At one time it was not legal to sell sweet potato cuttings to China and still sweet potato cultivation found it's way to China.
On top of that criminalizing the possession of ivory and the legal interstate trade in it is simply wrong. It does nothing to fix the problem of poaching and makes ivory that much more desireable as a forbidden fruit type of thing as well as drives the prices up which is even more incentive for poachers.
Instead the world market should be flooded with legal ivory obtained from culling and natural deaths and that would drop the price to a point where it doesn't make financial sense to deal in illegal ivory. Much as dealers of illegal marijuana in NYC now complain that the prices have fallen due to the influx of "legal" weed from California and Colorado and now it doesn't make selling weed a profitable endeavor for them anymore.
We also use hardwoods which are obtained from the destruction of rainforests. We use plastics obtained from the burning of fossil fuels, we use metals mined in horrendous conditions etc....you can literally find a planet-raping, human oppressing, animal cruelty foundation for just about any material used in just about anything if you look deep enough.
So I personally don't know what the right morality is anymore for a lot of these issues. I know that if I had the means to do so without going to prison then there are many people whom I would recycle into more useful items and that's surely not a "nice" way to be thinking but it would be a practical bonus for the earth and society. As JVB said, surely the bones of some people would be a good ivory substitute, at least for small inlays. Has anyone ever tried to use human bones for inlays???
I know you can buy real skeletons so someone has to have tried....
I personally don't see the need to use ivory but then I use leather. I had at one time thought about not using leather at all but the fact is that it is a natural material that is a by product of the meat industry. Ivory at one time was in much higher demand as pool balls and many consumer items were made from it.
The issue is complex. It's not as easy as saying don't use this material because animals are being killed for just the ivory. Any material, any thing that is desireable will lead to a black market when it's made illegal to trade in. This has been the case for all goods throughout history. At one time it was not legal to sell sweet potato cuttings to China and still sweet potato cultivation found it's way to China.
On top of that criminalizing the possession of ivory and the legal interstate trade in it is simply wrong. It does nothing to fix the problem of poaching and makes ivory that much more desireable as a forbidden fruit type of thing as well as drives the prices up which is even more incentive for poachers.
Instead the world market should be flooded with legal ivory obtained from culling and natural deaths and that would drop the price to a point where it doesn't make financial sense to deal in illegal ivory. Much as dealers of illegal marijuana in NYC now complain that the prices have fallen due to the influx of "legal" weed from California and Colorado and now it doesn't make selling weed a profitable endeavor for them anymore.
We also use hardwoods which are obtained from the destruction of rainforests. We use plastics obtained from the burning of fossil fuels, we use metals mined in horrendous conditions etc....you can literally find a planet-raping, human oppressing, animal cruelty foundation for just about any material used in just about anything if you look deep enough.
So I personally don't know what the right morality is anymore for a lot of these issues. I know that if I had the means to do so without going to prison then there are many people whom I would recycle into more useful items and that's surely not a "nice" way to be thinking but it would be a practical bonus for the earth and society. As JVB said, surely the bones of some people would be a good ivory substitute, at least for small inlays. Has anyone ever tried to use human bones for inlays???
I know you can buy real skeletons so someone has to have tried....
This has worked so well for drugs..............