Why is streamed pool commentary so poor?

Personally, I just do the best that I can. I know that when I have done commentary, I have been criticized for talking too much - and I have been criticized for not talking enough. Some people have been very complimentary - others have told me to STFU and they claim to have turned down the volume. You're not going to make everybody happy, and you'll drive yourself crazy if you attempt to. So, I just do the best that I can.

Most of my commentary has been with straight pool. Providing straight pool commentary is not easy for anyone - including me, but I think that after doing straight pool commentary for quite some time, I've become somewhat competent at doing it. My mind works analytically no matter what game I am doing commentary for. I am an instructor - coach - teacher... and most of what comes out of my mouth is directed to the player that is hungry to learn from what they are watching. I understand that not everybody wants to hear me running my mouth - breaking down each and every shot, but there are some people that depend upon me to do just that. Those are the people I am talking to - and volume controls were invented for those that find that annoying.

I don't claim to know why streaming commentary is so poor - I don't think it is - but I do have some advice for anybody that is working in the booth - and hopefully by following these guidelines the commentary will sound more professional.

1) Do not respond to people in the chat during your commentary. 99% of the time, the match you are doing commentary for will be uploaded to Youtube. When somebody watches it months - or even years later - nobody will know who or what the hell you are talking about - nor will they care. IMO, there is no way to provide insight and commentary for a match that has 50% of your attention. Your viewers will not be into the match if you aren't. Let the people in the chat do the chatting. Your job is to pay attention to match and the players. JMO.

2) If you are in the booth, remember why you are there. You should talk about the match - the players that are playing in the match - and the event hosts and sponsors. Nobody gives a damn about what you had for lunch - nobody gives a damn where you are going to party after the tournament - nobody gives a damn how good or bad the nachos are - and nobody gives a damn about the moron that just walked by the booth and interrupted you with a hi-five and a shout out to somebody that nobody gives a damn about. I look at it like this, the more professional you are with the way you conduct yourself in the booth - the more professional our game will look to prospective sponsors. That is what this is all about - or at least it should be.

3) Take the time to acknowledge the sponsors and the host location. Without them, there wouldn't be an event to stream. The event is THEIR investment. If you are a casual viewer, take the time to support the companies that sponsored the event you are watching. Your support is what keeps sponsors in the game. That is so important.

That's my short list of what can make streaming commentary better. I am sure that I have not covered everything - these are just thoughts off of the top of my head. In closing - remember that most of us that do this out of our love for the game - not because this is making us rich (its not). Please remember that we love the game just as much as you do - and most of us are willing to do this on our own dime whenever possible.
 
Watching ko v orcullo and again the commentating is absolutely horrendous.
It's not an attack on the people I think it's Robles a lady an another gentleman.
Nout against them their nice people but their not used to commentating

Take Mosconi for example or masters any match room event
That's how its supposed to be

It's just a Shame that you have to mute every streamed event these days

Least it's a tight match
I do not know how to call it so tight and table us not allowing any
Player to get s strangle hold on the match

Go for ko based on fundamentals and mentality

Do you have a link for this match or is it PPV?
 
I buy the majority of streams available. I'm usually not overly critical of the commentary unless its completely awful. I realize your just not going to get John Schmidt, Billy Incardona or Jeremy Jones very often....although I wish we could. With that said....Please keep John French away from any microphone permanently. I probably will not buy the Shane DO match because I know I'm going to be stuck with this goof. Also memo to Upstate Al....please keep Snooky off all streams....she is awful. I'm sure she's a nice person but keep her off all streams. Tony Robles is solid, but keep Gail off the streams also. I mean no disrespect to anyone above....but I'm a loyal stream buyer and a bad commentator can and does completely ruin the viewers experience.
 
What is the going rate for a professional commentator for the Mosconi Cup, or other match room events?
 
Some constructive criticism (and I've been in a booth so I can get what Justin is saying... someone's always gonna hate).

• The basics... don't eat, burp, slurp, and yawn into the mic.

• Although it might drive the commentators nuts, they gotta be aware of their breathing and swallowing. One guy breathes through his nostrils and this is what you hear during quiet periods:
HFFFF....FFFFFFFFFFFFF
HFF.......FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
HFFFFF.....FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Sounds like a smoker with duct tape on his mouth forced to run up 3 flights of stairs.

Some people just get cottonmouth easily, ask the waitress to keep water or some other drink coming regularly and sip it constantly.

• Don't invite anyone who wanders by to join on the mic. Even in the world of amateur unpaid commentators, some are better than others. God bless Mr. French for making action happen but he has a voice best suited to used car ads.

• It's just basic competence and respect to pronounce the player's names correctly. I get that everyone's got a regional accent, but the last "O" in Orcollo is not silent. It's not Or-cullah or Or-cola.

• Actively seek pro commentary. The value of a pro's perspective and information can make up for a lot of other annoyances. I liked having [the] Hunter in the booth quite a bit. And Sang Lee as well. Both see some pretty advanced options.

• Don't bicker with your booth partner and get snippy and take disagreement personally. This wasn't an issue in the Dennis vs KPY match but is common in accu-stats for example.

• Be tasteful about promoting the sponsors, there's plenty of time during a race to 100 to mention them, talk about some products, and display the logos.

• Get the score right, keep it always visible (even during timeouts).

• Common sense but, everyone in the booth should be able to play to a pretty high level so they can make accurate predictions. This wasn't an issue in the steinway match but I've heard some pretty dumb predictions on streams before.

• Have someone who is in touch with the commentators, watching the stream so they can give honest feedback ("turn your mic up. You forgot to update the score. The sound cut out.")
 
I liked having [the] Hunter in the booth quite a bit. And Sang Lee as well. Both see some pretty advanced options

I'm sure it just slipped your fingers, but that was Ira Lee. He talked about the late Sang Lee very briefly.
 
Watching ko v orcullo and again the commentating is absolutely horrendous.
It's not an attack on the people I think it's Robles a lady an another gentleman.
Nout against them their nice people but their not used to commentating

Take Mosconi for example or masters any match room event
That's how its supposed to be

It's just a Shame that you have to mute every streamed event these days

Least it's a tight match
I do not know how to call it so tight and table us not allowing any
Player to get s strangle hold on the match

Go for ko based on fundamentals and mentality

A good part of this? You can't please everyone.

Take Mosconi for example

The Mosconi cups' excellent coverage and commentary did receive plenty of criticism right here on AZB.

Not saying opinions shouldn't be shared, just pointing out that regardless of objective quality some will and some wont like the product.
 
Sports commentating, especially live broadcasts, are difficult to do well. Jim Nantz makes $4 million a year because people like him don't grow on trees. It's no surprise that borderline amateur pool streams have issues on this front.
 
Good interview. BTW my wife thinks you are the best. I think she may have a crush on you. ;)

Thank you. At the same time there are at least two people on AZ that think I'm the worst. Go figure.

Freddie <~~~ wondering how my mom and dad got on AZ
 
Some constructive criticism (and I've been in a booth so I can get what Justin is saying... someone's always gonna hate).

• Don't invite anyone who wanders by to join on the mic. Even in the world of amateur unpaid commentators, some are better than others. God bless Mr. French for making action happen but he has a voice best suited to used car ads.

• Don't bicker with your booth partner and get snippy and take disagreement personally. This wasn't an issue in the Dennis vs KPY match but is common in accu-stats for example.

• Common sense but, everyone in the booth should be able to play to a pretty high level so they can make accurate predictions. This wasn't an issue in the steinway match but I've heard some pretty dumb predictions on streams before.

I generally agree with the points in Creedo's post, but have excerpted the three above for special comment.

I could not agree more with the first point. French should not be in the booth, and especially not commentating on the matches. He was also the most notable violator of the suggestion (another poster in an earlier comment) that the commentators should ignore the comment stream.

With the second point, disagreements or debates are fine to me, but I agree that they can't descend to bickering. Part of the problem is that often there is no agreed upon delineation as to who is the "play by play" person and who is the "colour" (or "color") commentary person. Two people both trying to do colour commentary is bad in any sport.

I disagree with the third point. I think you can have ONE person in the booth who is not an advanced player, as long as there is an advanced player doing the analysis along with it AND the non-expert knows to leave the analysis to the expert. Jim Nantz (mentioned by others) is a good example - fine in the booth on many different sports, and knows to leave the golf swing analysis to the pros and details of the nickel defence to his partner. This person can also ask good questions of the expert that the expert takes for granted (e.g., Q. "you say you'd follow for position on the three ball. How do you avoid running into the 7 on the way back off the rail?" A. "You would need to put a touch of right on the cue ball and you will come inside of the 7".) (or Q. "Dennis left himself right on the rail on the 10 ball. I always struggle with shots like that - how do you shoot them?"). This is like the colour commentary versus play by play comment above.

Gideon<-----Glad he doesn't do commentary
 
Freddie: Thanks, that's what I meant!
Gideon: Good point, the question-and-answer format is very instructive, I like that.

So far the Steinway match is ok except... French is locked in the booth tonight apparently :/
I almost want them to stick Earl on the mic.
He'll rant and argue but when he focuses on the shot at hand we might learn something.

Someone order John a Double Mocha Rohypnol Latte.
 
Freddie: Thanks, that's what I meant!
Gideon: Good point, the question-and-answer format is very instructive, I like that.

So far the Steinway match is ok except... French is locked in the booth tonight apparently :/
I almost want them to stick Earl on the mic.
He'll rant and argue but when he focuses on the shot at hand we might learn something.

Someone order John a Double Mocha Rohypnol Latte.

and FRENCH is back in the booth NOOOOOOOO

gah!!!!!!!!

the people that dont like the MOSCONI commentating are the same people that think its just s show and not important in pool, same people who want to play the mosconi as an all round tournament with one pocket straight pool and banks race to 100 not realizing the reality of the tournament and its coverage worldwide and its excitement not to mention every player wants to play in it

even so the commentating is just horrid. HUNTER was doing pretty good for a bit late last night then like someone mentioned they started chatting with people who weerw just wandering by the booth talking about cold drinks and childhood nicknames and missed liek a full rack.

to sum up: ABSOLUTELY AMATEUR, guess that what 24.95 gets you.

the stream is available by going to steinway billiards the link is there.
 
Sports commentating, especially live broadcasts, are difficult to do well. Jim Nantz makes $4 million a year because people like him don't grow on trees. It's no surprise that borderline amateur pool streams have issues on this front.


But I'm doubting Jim Nance knows jack about pool or the top players. Hell, part of what I like about streams is the amateur commentating. Lenny is wise in recruiting local help when he streams Lincoln City...getting people who know the locals brave and skilled enough to take on the top pros.
 
I dont even care if they are good. If they'd just be innocuous and leave a few seconds of 'dead air' now and then, I'd be happy. Dead air is a mortal sin ON RADIO. It is fine on pool streams.

But the best idea is to have an audio option button for 'Table Sounds Only' I would watch 98% of non Accu-Stats streams this way.
 
Here's the problem: when the Mosconi cup ran, the entire week was filled with posters saying how bad the commentary was.

My own answers are simple. Pool commentary should speak to the average fan, not the diehards.

That being said, you're right, the Ko/Orcullo match had some tough listening times.

Freddie <~~~ has haters

At this point in pool streaming, I'm pretty sure it is 90% diehards watching though- FWIW
 
To give a blanket answer......
Untrained, amateur commentators. Even the ones who get paid, arent trained. ;)
People are used to professional sports where the commentators either have broadcasting degrees, or they were known "personalities" otherwise.

Even the Professional Sports Commentators can become irritating to listen to. When the Networks that are broadcasting or Streaming an Event think that Every Second of Air Time has to be filled with some form of commentary. Some times it is just nice to mute the BS and watch the program. Not a huge fan of NASCAR, but the Network with Darrel Waltrip has a segment every race called "Crank it Up" where the commentators shut up and you can just enjoy the sights and sounds of the race itself for a few minutes.
 
I have to disagree with a couple people on their response. When the TAR matches were running ( Really wished Justin would reconsider ), I would love to hear stories of the players that were playing. I felt it gave me chance to live vicariously through that time and also gave me a little insight about the players. I also enjoyed listening to some of the old "war" stories of past players.

For the most part I don't worry too much about the commentating. If it gets to the point where it is irritating me, I simply hit mute. I have done this on many streams.

I give credit to anyone willing to step into that booth and give it a shot. Even the best commentators had a first time.
 
Commentary on streamed matches can be vastly imoroved by sticking to a few simple precepts. 1. Keep the talk about what is going on in the match. That means the strategy, the players, their mindset or what they might be feeling. No one wants to hear about the chat, food, or any other random topic while the match is going on.2. If time permits intersperse some short pool related anecdotes or stories if they are both interesting and relevant. 3. Limit the booth to 2 people and keep the same two throughout the match. Different people coming and going constantly is annoying. If it's a very long race switch at predetermined intervals. 4. If you can't find someone knowledgeable and articulate enough to do the above just cut the commentary and turn up the table mic until you find someone. Less can be more.

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