Why is Tascarella the Bushka expert?

[Scott Lee]

Lesh...Are you talking about my mentor Jack White...the trickshot guy?

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I've shot with just about every cue that has come onto my radar as being a maker of note. Balabushka ( knew a guy that had 4 of them - Jack White),

Lesh

 

[classiccues]

It would not surprise me that Pete tried the regular ivory with his compression / interference joint and cracked some.

JV

Yes. That's part of the innovation of the Tascarella piloted ivory joint: it includes a hoop-strength bushing (I'm assuming the bushing for hoop strength).

 

[Cornerman]

It would not surprise me that Pete tried the regular ivory with his compression / interference joint and cracked some.

JV

I'd think that's a pretty good bet.

 

[jasonlaus]

We'll keep it simple... on Bushka's production...

1200 lets assume, because that is all we can do, 500-600 are titlists... most of those are very plain, in fact some are Hoppe's, some just have black collars and delrin caps, some are split and jointed with no collars. He did not have to glue blanks, I believe Burton supplied them already rough turned. Early cues were French polished, not finished.

How quick can a house cue be converted? Or just keep in mind, most of his cues are plain. His shafts were purchased pre-turned..

Plus the guy was a machine, from all accounts. He didn't have to read the internet, and read second guessers. He didn't have to argue about his cues, or contribute to forum wars to justify his cuemaking. All his time in the shop, was for cue making.

85-90 cues a year is not a stretch when you have all the above to factor in. There is another unknown cuemaker here in NJ, that GB liked, in fact sold him his shaft seconds. He said GB used to bring 5-6 "extra" cues to tournaments to sell.

Don't underestimate a guy who is committed, and excels at his craft. Just because you cannot do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

JV

So how much different are Tasc's and Bushka's build and playability wise? Thanks

 

[classiccues]

I have never had the reasons to "spec" out a Tascarella. I do so on Bushka's for identification reasons. I have never asked Pete what he changed or kept, because there was never a reason for me. To be honest, there isn't a modern cue on the planet, I would spec out, for any reason.
I've ran a rack with a cuetec, and ran out with a Bushka and a 'Boti.. So I have my own conclusions in regards to what is / isn't important....
All the Tasc's that I hit balls with were solid, and reminiscent of the old style cues. I would have no problem using a Tasc. Having X'rayed a Tasc, it did not have the lag bolt.
I would have to speculate that Pete probably does something different at the joint screw, the weight bolt area, shaft inserts and I know his delrin doesn't have an internal lip.

JV

So how much different are Tasc's and Bushka's build and playability wise? Thanks

 

[Bigb'scues]

We'll keep it simple... on Bushka's production...

1200 lets assume, because that is all we can do, 500-600 are titlists... most of those are very plain, in fact some are Hoppe's, some just have black collars and delrin caps, some are split and jointed with no collars. He did not have to glue blanks, I believe Burton supplied them already rough turned. Early cues were French polished, not finished.

How quick can a house cue be converted? Or just keep in mind, most of his cues are plain. His shafts were purchased pre-turned..

Plus the guy was a machine, from all accounts. He didn't have to read the internet, and read second guessers. He didn't have to argue about his cues, or contribute to forum wars to justify his cuemaking. All his time in the shop, was for cue making.

85-90 cues a year is not a stretch when you have all the above to factor in. There is another unknown cuemaker here in NJ, that GB liked, in fact sold him his shaft seconds. He said GB used to bring 5-6 "extra" cues to tournaments to sell.

Don't underestimate a guy who is committed, and excels at his craft. Just because you cannot do it, doesn't mean it can't be done


It is a a completely ridiculous estimate...if we chop down his work hours to a solid 8 hours of fully undivided work attention 5 days a week with no days off as I said sick days, holidays, personal days, it works out to 1 cue per day for 13 years think how absurd that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any modern custom maker would laugh if you told them they had to finish one cue a day for 13 years (by themselves with one lathe and a bandsaw) ......let alone make 10 or 20 in a day which would have had to have been a possibility by your insane estimates..... Numbers DO NOT LIE. PEOPLE DO!!!!

Furthermore let's use the top end of your estimate of 600 "simple" cues
That leaves 600 (supposed) cues left (many of which were quite complex)

Working 12 hours a day for 5 days a week. He would still have to make 1 cue every
1.81 days for 13 years MINIMUM!! to get to 1200.

 

[classiccues]

When I was dealing a certain cuemakers cues, he told me flat out, with his complicated prongs he could make a batch of 7-10+ 4 pointers plain with all the wood parts made by him, a week, if he wanted to. Granted he started with his prongs already assembled, and shafts turned. (Simulate buying the parts)

I have no reason not to believe him, because I saw him work.

JV

We'll keep it simple... on Bushka's production...

1200 lets assume, because that is all we can do, 500-600 are titlists... most of those are very plain, in fact some are Hoppe's, some just have black collars and delrin caps, some are split and jointed with no collars. He did not have to glue blanks, I believe Burton supplied them already rough turned. Early cues were French polished, not finished.

How quick can a house cue be converted? Or just keep in mind, most of his cues are plain. His shafts were purchased pre-turned..

Plus the guy was a machine, from all accounts. He didn't have to read the internet, and read second guessers. He didn't have to argue about his cues, or contribute to forum wars to justify his cuemaking. All his time in the shop, was for cue making.

85-90 cues a year is not a stretch when you have all the above to factor in. There is another unknown cuemaker here in NJ, that GB liked, in fact sold him his shaft seconds. He said GB used to bring 5-6 "extra" cues to tournaments to sell.

Don't underestimate a guy who is committed, and excels at his craft. Just because you cannot do it, doesn't mean it can't be done


It is a a completely ridiculous estimate...if we chop down his work hours to a solid 8 hours of fully undivided work attention 5 days a week with no days off as I said sick days, holidays, personal days, it works out to 1 cue per day for 13 years think how absurd that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[classiccues]

1200/16=75 cues a year.. for 16 years to get to 1200

WTF are you talking about.... 75 cues a year, that is it. To get to 1200 over 16 years...

your math...working 261 days a year at a cue a day would be 4176 cues in 16 years...

So again.. WTF are you talking about?

JV

FTR... windows has a calculator, as do androids... just saying...

We'll keep it simple... on Bushka's production...

1200 lets assume, because that is all we can do, 500-600 are titlists... most of those are very plain, in fact some are Hoppe's, some just have black collars and delrin caps, some are split and jointed with no collars. He did not have to glue blanks, I believe Burton supplied them already rough turned. Early cues were French polished, not finished.

How quick can a house cue be converted? Or just keep in mind, most of his cues are plain. His shafts were purchased pre-turned..

Plus the guy was a machine, from all accounts. He didn't have to read the internet, and read second guessers. He didn't have to argue about his cues, or contribute to forum wars to justify his cuemaking. All his time in the shop, was for cue making.

85-90 cues a year is not a stretch when you have all the above to factor in. There is another unknown cuemaker here in NJ, that GB liked, in fact sold him his shaft seconds. He said GB used to bring 5-6 "extra" cues to tournaments to sell.

Don't underestimate a guy who is committed, and excels at his craft. Just because you cannot do it, doesn't mean it can't be done


It is a a completely ridiculous estimate...if we chop down his work hours to a solid 8 hours of fully undivided work attention 5 days a week with no days off as I said sick days, holidays, personal days, it works out to 1 cue per day for 13 years think how absurd that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any modern custom maker would laugh if you told them they had to finish one cue a day for 13 years (by themselves with one lathe and a bandsaw) ......let alone make 10 or 20 in a day which would have had to have been a possibility by your insane estimates..... Numbers DO NOT LIE. PEOPLE DO!!!!

 

[WildWing]

1200/16=75 cues a year.. for 16 years to get to 1200

WTF are you talking about.... 75 cues a year, that is it. To get to 1200 over 16 years...

your math...working 261 days a year at a cue a day would be 4176 cues in 16 years...

So again.. WTF are you talking about?

JV

FTR... windows has a calculator, as do androids... just saying...



1,200 is perfectly reasonable, over that period of time. Gus Szamboti produced a similar number of cues over a similar amount of time.

Remember, the one you're arguing with is an "Ideologist." Pretty obvious where this is coming from.

All the best,
WW

 

[classiccues]

Just to help you with the rest of the math...

75/52 1.44 cues a week.

1.44 * 52=75 Cues a year

Now shift+8 is the * which is multiply.. 75*16=guess what... pssst... 1200

You want the truth.. I think he made more than 1200 between us.. I think it could be as high as 1400-1500.. because I think he was that good...

Now if he was charging 100-150 dollars a cue.. think about it.. 75*100=7500/yr / 11,250.. seems about right per year.. plus tips, shafts, etc...

I think that is pretty accurate...

JV

 

[Bigb'scues]

1200/16=75 cues a year.. for 16 years to get to 1200

WTF are you talking about.... 75 cues a year, that is it. To get to 1200 over 16 years...

your math...working 261 days a year at a cue a day would be 4176 cues in 16 years...

So again.. WTF are you talking about?

JV

FTR... windows has a calculator, as do androids... just saying...


Dude..........let me make it as simple as ****ing possible for your dumbass

His JOB was a cue maker!

That means he had to do work!!!! If his working hours were 12 hours a day 5 days a week that is 60 work hours which is 2.5 days a week of work!!!!!! His lathes were not turning themselves....... That's 130 days of WORK!! (The thing it takes to make stuff) in a year. Divide that by 86.7 cues a year (the # of cues he made per year for 13 years, it is well established that his first few years had little output) the final number is 1.49 days for every cue made..... you stupid shit.

 

[WildWing]

Just to help you with the rest of the math...

75/52 1.44 cues a week.

1.44 * 52=75 Cues a year

Now shift+8 is the * which is multiply.. 75*16=guess what... pssst... 1200

You want the truth.. I think he made more than 1200 between us.. I think it could be as high as 1400-1500.. because I think he was that good...

Now if he was charging 100-150 dollars a cue.. think about it.. 75*100=7500/yr / 11,250.. seems about right per year.. plus tips, shafts, etc...

I think that is pretty accurate...

JV

Correct. He and his alter ego, "Ideologist," would have you believe George built 600 cues over 16 years. That would be about three finished cues a month. At $100 to $140 or so, he would make somewhere between $300 and $400 per month. After paying taxes, less. Does anyone honestly think someone could house, feed, and clothe a family in New York on that, even in the 60s and 70s?

On the other hand, at least 1,200 is six to seven finished cues per month, on average. Perfectly reasonable, and could take care of a family in those days.

Sometimes it takes a bit of math. Sometimes a bit of common sense.

And, sometimes, this is child care. And there has been some of that lately.

All the best,
WW

 

[classiccues]

1200/16=75 cues a year.. for 16 years to get to 1200

WTF are you talking about.... 75 cues a year, that is it. To get to 1200 over 16 years...

your math...working 261 days a year at a cue a day would be 4176 cues in 16 years...

So again.. WTF are you talking about?

JV

FTR... windows has a calculator, as do androids... just saying...



Dude..........let me make it as simple as ****ing possible for your dumbass

His JOB was a cue maker!

That means he had to do work!!!! If his working hours were 12 hours a day 5 days a week that is 60 work hours which is 2.5 days a week of work!!!!!! His lathes were not turning themselves....... That's 130 days of WORK!! (The thing it takes to make stuff) in a year. Divide that by 86.7 cues a year (the # of cues he made per year for 13 years, it is well established that his first few years had little output) the final number is 1.49 days for every cue made..... you stupid shit.

75 cues a year.. period. So you'll take the low output in the beginning which is a guess, as gospel.. but not the 1200 which is also a guess, by the same PEOPLE.. wow... talk about selective reading....

Again.. 75 cues a year is all he had to make to get to 1200 in 16 years, 1.44 cues a week, period.

No matter how you try and flip your math, you're wrong. Also I bet R. Black, Stroud, they had years where they made more than 75 cues.. The fact is, its not impossible or even out of the realm of possibility.

I will also take the people who interviewed whomever was left in the late 80's that knew George, and studied him. Over someone that cannot use a calculator.

JV

 

[classiccues]

If Wilson or Mike does a check, and see's they are the same person, he should be gone. Not only for that, but for filling the internet with lies.

JV

Correct. He and his alter ego, "Ideologist," would have you believe George built 600 cues over 16 years. That would be about three finished cues a month. At $100 to $140 or so, he would make somewhere between $300 and $400 per month. After paying taxes, less. Does anyone honestly think someone could house, feed, and clothe a family in New York on that, even in the 60s and 70s?

On the other hand, at least 1,200 is six to seven finished cues per month, on average. Perfectly reasonable, and could take care of a family in those days.

Sometimes it takes a bit of math. Sometimes a bit of common sense.

And, sometimes, this is child care. And there has been some of that lately.

All the best,
WW

 

[Bigb'scues]

75 cues a year.. period. So you'll take the low output in the beginning which is a guess, as gospel.. but not the 1200 which is also a guess, by the same PEOPLE.. wow... talk about selective reading....

Again.. 75 cues a year is all he had to make to get to 1200 in 16 years, 1.44 cues a week, period.

No matter how you try and flip your math, you're wrong. Also I bet R. Black, Stroud, they had years where they made more than 75 cues.. The fact is, its not impossible or even out of the realm of possibility.

I will also take the people who interviewed whomever was left in the late 80's that knew George, and studied him. Over someone that cannot use a calculator.

JV

You are useless to try to talk to........ If he was not at his lathe working there was no product. You have to break it down to work hours.....that's why most the world get paid by the hour you ****ing moron...... Your numbers have him working with 100% efficiency for 16 years straight !!!!!!! Without sleeping ,eating or taking a shit (the same stuff your brain is made of)

 

[merylane]

You are useless to try to talk to........ If he was not at his lathe working there was no product. You have to break it down to work hours.....that's why most the world get paid by the hour you ****ing moron...... Your numbers have him working with 100% efficiency for 16 years straight !!!!!!! Without sleeping ,eating or taking a shit (the same stuff your brain is made of)

I have said it many times it would not surprise me if he made well over 2000.

If you take his peer Ernie for example he was making well over 100 a year in the 60's similar shop.... And he said it was closer to 150.

What's hard to believe he was buying 12 Spain blanks a month for years and still doing titlists.

Or Gus all the work he did plus work for Palmer and his cues were more labor intensive.


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[azhousepro]

Let's tone the name calling WAY back here.

Mike

You are useless to try to talk to........ If he was not at his lathe working there was no product. You have to break it down to work hours.....that's why most the world get paid by the hour you ****ing moron...... Your numbers have him working with 100% efficiency for 16 years straight !!!!!!! Without sleeping ,eating or taking a shit (the same stuff your brain is made of)

 

[ideologist]

Correct. He and his alter ego, "Ideologist," would have you believe George built 600 cues over 16 years. That would be about three finished cues a month. At $100 to $140 or so, he would make somewhere between $300 and $400 per month. After paying taxes, less. Does anyone honestly think someone could house, feed, and clothe a family in New York on that, even in the 60s and 70s?

On the other hand, at least 1,200 is six to seven finished cues per month, on average. Perfectly reasonable, and could take care of a family in those days.

Sometimes it takes a bit of math. Sometimes a bit of common sense.

And, sometimes, this is child care. And there has been some of that lately.

All the best,
WW

Alter-ego? Unreal. Another nutswinger enters the fray to defend Tascarella and questionable business dealings.

If Wilson or Mike does a check, and see's they are the same person, he should be gone. Not only for that, but for filling the internet with lies.

JV

What's the lie here? You say George was blasting out 75 cues per year from day 1 of his career, onward.

You say Burton Spain was giving him HUNDREDS of blanks at such a frenetic pace? Ridiculous.

George made shafts for guys. He made a few cues a year for dealers. He had one lathe. Guys stopped in to bug him and chat, so the lathe wasn't operating. George would barely make cues for anyone not named Willie Mosconi, you needed to be a VIP or known player. The wait times were quite noticeable.

A guy here in town can confirm all of this, as he was a player and dealer for George and worked exclusively with a personal friend of George's to sell cues in the Rochester market.

You have questionable dealings with Tascarella and selling "Balabushka" cues that somehow have bleached vacuum kiln-dried maple and a LOA from Pete clearing up the fact that the wood is not period correct, but still somehow from the 1960s.

Why should people blindly believe you when you have something to gain here? My friend here, my supposed alter-ego, has a phenomenal Balabushka. He was advised strongly to jot send his cue to Pete, by people who were in on Pete's scam with Ginky to rip off legit owners by "restoring" their original Bushka cues, selling the originals to Asia, and returning clones to the NYC owners.

My only interest is to keep counterfeits off the market, and for a dying cue market to boot out the trash that has gone on behind closed doors for years.

 

[classiccues]

You are wrong 100%.. You want to say he made 10 cues a year which is not true, at all. It only takes 75 cues a year to make 1200 in 16 years. The math is simple, and it adds up. Where as your delusional math, is all over the board and makes NO sense.

JV

You are useless to try to talk to........ If he was not at his lathe working there was no product. You have to break it down to work hours.....that's why most the world get paid by the hour you ****ing moron...... Your numbers have him working with 100% efficiency for 16 years straight !!!!!!! Without sleeping ,eating or taking a shit (the same stuff your brain is made of)

 

[WildWing]

I have a confirmed 1974 Joss with a piloted ivory joint. Only one I've ever seen though I'm sure there are more. The Gus you saw earlier than that?

The piloted ivory Gus I recall was probably a bit later than that, I think an Ebay sale. Couldn't put an exact date on its production, but still fairly early.

A 1974 Joss with piloted ivory joint? As you know, their standard was the flat face 3/8 pin when using ivory in that period. But, I wouldn't doubt you, as you're one of the certified Joss experts here. As Tim has said, there are also some cues from Ernie pretty early with piloted ivory joint, so I couldn't be 100% as to who was the first. That could be a thread on its own.

All the best,
WW