Why Isn't 1-Pocket Popular in Other Countries?

[Russ Chewning]

I'm not convinced that one pocket requires more thinking than any other pool game. So much of one pocket is defensive in nature and requires nothing more complicated than simply moving your opponent's ball away from the pocket. IMO, 8-ball or straight pool requires more thinking than one pocket does.

Spoken like a person who has no idea how hard it is not to give up a shot in One Pocket.

Look at it like this. Against the pros, ONE mistake and you're done.

Maybe against a banger, just moving the ball away from your oppontn's pocket is enough. But that's about the only speed player you'll be able to beat playing like that.

Russ

 

[john schmidt]

well

first off people are saying which game is harder.i think to learn all the moves in one hole is harder in than all the moves in 14.1 and 9ball.i do think that executing in 14.1 perfectly and by that i mean running over 100 on a daily basis is as hard or harder than playing good onehole.the reason is you cant miss in 14.1, but one hole you can make many misses and mistakes and look like a genius.i see guys all the time that are considered good onepocket players but thats because they know all the moves.but thats easy learning all the shots its executing them that is hard.if someone thinks its harder to never leave your opponent a shot at onehole than to run over say 200 at 14.1 has not ran over 200.now you might be thinking i cant play onepocket and dont know what im talking about.let me say i think its the greatest game and i love to play it,buttheir have been days where ive been tired ,hungry ,dont like the table etc etc and have managed to not lose a money match because i know enough moves to get by.so in a nutshell what im saying is you can execute badly sometimes and still win at onehole but at 14.1 if you execute bad you will get robbed .in closing i think 14.1 is harder to execute perfectly but one hole is more complex to learn.imho. p.s. hopefully this will get people woofing at me to play onepocket ,just go easy on me people i run hundreds i hope i can figure out how to run 8.lol

 

[raemondo]

p.s. hopefully this will get people woofing at me to play onepocket ,just go easy on me people i run hundreds i hope i can figure out how to run 8.lol

Hahaha this gets quote of the week from me! lol

 

[Russ Chewning]

first off people are saying which game is harder.i think to learn all the moves in one hole is harder in than all the moves in 14.1 and 9ball.i do think that executing in 14.1 perfectly and by that i mean running over 100 on a daily basis is as hard or harder than playing good onehole.the reason is you cant miss in 14.1, but one hole you can make many misses and mistakes and look like a genius.i see guys all the time that are considered good onepocket players but thats because they know all the moves.but thats easy learning all the shots its executing them that is hard.if someone thinks its harder to never leave your opponent a shot at onehole than to run over say 200 at 14.1 has not ran over 200.now you might be thinking i cant play onepocket and dont know what im talking about.let me say i think its the greatest game and i love to play it,buttheir have been days where ive been tired ,hungry ,dont like the table etc etc and have managed to not lose a money match because i know enough moves to get by.so in a nutshell what im saying is you can execute badly sometimes and still win at onehole but at 14.1 if you execute bad you will get robbed .in closing i think 14.1 is harder to execute perfectly but one hole is more complex to learn.imho. p.s. hopefully this will get people woofing at me to play onepocket ,just go easy on me people i run hundreds i hope i can figure out how to run 8.lol

A champion pool player, handsome guy, and humble, too!!

Reminds me of a conversation betwwen Billy and Grady about Jose Parica:
Grady says "Well, I don't think Jose has ever been accused of lack of ego."
Billy says "Right. I don't think that's ever been attributed to him.."

Goes with the territory of being a champion, I guess..

Russ

 

[Russ Chewning]

p.s. hopefully this will get people woofing at me to play onepocket

I'll take 16-3 and the breaks, the handspan on every shot.. And while we're at it, 3 to 1 on the money..

WOOF WOOF WOOF!

Russ

 

[cuetechasaurus]

I'm not convinced that one pocket requires more thinking than any other pool game. So much of one pocket is defensive in nature and requires nothing more complicated than simply moving your opponent's ball away from the pocket. IMO, 8-ball or straight pool requires more thinking than one pocket does.

No offense, but what you wrote there would make me think you don't know what you're talking about. When the game is played at a high level, and someone does just that-- take a ball away from their opponent's hole, there are quite a few factors bunched in with that-- i.e. not leaving him a return bank, placing a ball that blocks off his banking lanes from either up table or your side of the table, hiding that ball, leaving him no return shot without a sellout of a bank or shot, etc, etc, etc, etc etc. There are so many things that that one little simple shot attributes to, you have to be a good one pocket player to notice at least a couple of them. Every single shot is like chess. One pocket gives 14.1 the 7-out and 8ball the 5-out when it comes to thinking and strategy IMHO. I know 14.1 requires perfect execution and strategy, but people can run centuries in it playing the wrong way. A runout player who doesn't move well in 1pocket against an old guy who can't runout well anymore but knows all the moves, he will beat the runout player by suffocating him.

 

[john schmidt]

hi russ

i was not trying to be egotistical russ.i was kind of joking.but anyway no biggie ,but i thought you were going to quit picking on me i guess not.take care john schmidt

 

[john schmidt]

hi

now that i read what i wrote again i can see what russ is saying .it looks like im saying i can run hundreds,.. so running 8 is easy.thats not what i meant ,i meant since i run hundreds it will be funny if i dont run 8.anyway russ immediately jumped on what i said as a chance to make me seem like a jerk.again things like that remind me why i wont be writing on this forum unless totally necessary. there is a million times i would like to chime in and talk about stuff with you guys ,or help a begginer etc etc.i decline because of guys like russ jumping in and giving me a hard time.so the next time you guys ask me something and i dont answer ,feel free to ask russ chewning.he seems to think he knows everything ,so im sure he will give his much valued opinion.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

first off people are saying which game is harder.i think to learn all the moves in one hole is harder in than all the moves in 14.1 and 9ball.i do think that executing in 14.1 perfectly and by that i mean running over 100 on a daily basis is as hard or harder than playing good onehole.the reason is you cant miss in 14.1, but one hole you can make many misses and mistakes and look like a genius.i see guys all the time that are considered good onepocket players but thats because they know all the moves.but thats easy learning all the shots its executing them that is hard.if someone thinks its harder to never leave your opponent a shot at onehole than to run over say 200 at 14.1 has not ran over 200.now you might be thinking i cant play onepocket and dont know what im talking about.let me say i think its the greatest game and i love to play it,buttheir have been days where ive been tired ,hungry ,dont like the table etc etc and have managed to not lose a money match because i know enough moves to get by.so in a nutshell what im saying is you can execute badly sometimes and still win at onehole but at 14.1 if you execute bad you will get robbed .in closing i think 14.1 is harder to execute perfectly but one hole is more complex to learn.imho. p.s. hopefully this will get people woofing at me to play onepocket ,just go easy on me people i run hundreds i hope i can figure out how to run 8.lol

GROOWWWLLLLLL !!! AWWWWWOOOOO !!! lol

I understand your sentiments and your love for straight pool John. the thing why you can run a century or more in straight pool is because you can play all 6 holes that could help you attain perfect position on all the other balls on the table. I do hope I'll see you play some 1P and run out all 8 with 1 attempt immediately, so that I could buy your video matches from accu-stats and learn from it!

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

now that i read what i wrote again i can see what russ is saying .it looks like im saying i can run hundreds,.. so running 8 is easy.thats not what i meant ,i meant since i run hundreds it will be funny if i dont run 8.anyway russ immediately jumped on what i said as a chance to make me seem like a jerk.again things like that remind me why i wont be writing on this forum unless totally necessary. there is a million times i would like to chime in and talk about stuff with you guys ,or help a begginer etc etc.i decline because of guys like russ jumping in and giving me a hard time.so the next time you guys ask me something and i dont answer ,feel free to ask russ chewning.he seems to think he knows everything ,so im sure he will give his much valued opinion.

don't be too hard on yourself John. I do not intend to undermine the skills required in playing straight pool. besides, playing straight pool is very very instrumental in the development of the skills in playing 1P game. the offensive skills that are necessary for running out. I believe that 1P allows some misses, because of the complications in the game, just like you had said. it is complicated because one is trying to figure out a solution on a particular problem. because of the limited options of playing 1P, hence one must need to think deeply on what is best shot option and how to perfectly execute it. what is enjoyable about the 1P is when one is able to come up with another type of a solution and execute it perfectly. this of course is highly appreciated by the level of difficulty and skill required on the shot.

 

[Drew]

It's the biggest gambling pool game in the USA

Hmm....Maybe you haven't heard of a little game by the name of 8-ball.

 

[ajrack]

Knowing

They just don't know about it. I play it with many snooker players and they usually like it.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Hmm....Maybe you haven't heard of a little game by the name of 8-ball.

I meant by pro and shortstop players. 1pocket is where the money is at with gambling at pool. 8ball is played by your average joe. It's very rare that you hear of a big money game of 8ball between two top players.

 

[JoeyA]

GROOWWWLLLLLL !!! AWWWWWOOOOO !!! lol

I understand your sentiments and your love for straight pool John. the thing why you can run a century or more in straight pool is because you can play all 6 holes that could help you attain perfect position on all the other balls on the table. I do hope I'll see you play some 1P and run out all 8 with 1 attempt immediately, so that I could buy your video matches from accu-stats and learn from it!

If you think Schmidt can't run 8 balls in a row playing one pocket, you either don't know one pocket and/or you don't know John Schmidt. In fact if you think it is unlikely that he will run 8 balls you should just sit on the sidelines .....for a few years and watch. Straight pool SIX POCKETS make 200 balls in one inning vs. One pocket, EIGHT balls in one pocket ONE INNING. I dare say it would be FAR easier for any player to run 8 balls in one pocket in one inning and I mean ANY PLAYER regardless of their experience in one pocket.

JoeyA

 

[ironman]

I'm not convinced that one pocket requires more thinking than any other pool game. So much of one pocket is defensive in nature and requires nothing more complicated than simply moving your opponent's ball away from the pocket. IMO, 8-ball or straight pool requires more thinking than one pocket does.

If 8 ball of 14.1 were limited to one or two pockets, I might agree with you on this one. There is,IMO, far more thinking and strategy in 1 pocket than either of the other games. The other games have too many options.

 

[JoeyA]

There Goes Another One.

now that i read what i wrote again i can see what russ is saying .it looks like im saying i can run hundreds,.. so running 8 is easy.thats not what i meant ,i meant since i run hundreds it will be funny if i dont run 8.anyway russ immediately jumped on what i said as a chance to make me seem like a jerk.again things like that remind me why i wont be writing on this forum unless totally necessary. there is a million times i would like to chime in and talk about stuff with you guys ,or help a begginer etc etc.i decline because of guys like russ jumping in and giving me a hard time.so the next time you guys ask me something and i dont answer ,feel free to ask russ chewning.he seems to think he knows everything ,so im sure he will give his much valued opinion.

There goes another one.

I guess this medium is designed for needles, sh*ts and grins.

I am a slow learner but I see that this medium is not about courting professional pool players to learn their perspectives, seek their advice or to develop friendships with them.

Russ you are going to open a pool hall when you get back from working in Iraq. Russ, I hope you refine your interpersonal relationship skills a bit more before opening the pool hall. You have plenty of moxy (and this is probably a good thing in operating any business) but it takes a bit more than that to operate a successful pool hall. This is just my observance rather than personal experience so take what I say for what it cost you.

And Russ, as to you jumping on JS, in this forum or other forums, it does seem that there is always someone who likes to get a rise out of the professional pool players that grace the forums and without exception, the belletrists send ALL of the professional pool players packing, with their antagonizing banter. Russ, you aren't the worst by any stretch but you apparently enjoy doing this, rather than making JS feel wanted, you choose to stick him with a needle every chance you get, all the while planting a VERY BIG GRIN face to soften the piercing and make it look like you are just having fun and meant no harm. For most people it doesn't work like that, my man. A needle is a needle and it pains most. And repeated needling show your true and natural inclination no matter how many Big Grins you plant behind your words.

I guess I am through with trying to make any professional pool players feel welcome. It is futile in this medium and I can't waste my time doing so.

JoeyA

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

If you think Schmidt can't run 8 balls in a row playing one pocket, you either don't know one pocket and/or you don't know John Schmidt. In fact if you think it is unlikely that he will run 8 balls you should just sit on the sidelines .....for a few years and watch. Straight pool SIX POCKETS make 200 balls in one inning vs. One pocket, EIGHT balls in one pocket ONE INNING. I dare say it would be FAR easier for any player to run 8 balls in one pocket in one inning and I mean ANY PLAYER regardless of their experience in one pocket.

JoeyA

Ehem, seriously, I do know who JS is and what he is capable of. I'm just riding along with his joke on his previous post. chill man ! you do have a sense of humor, do you?

 

[JoeyA]

Ehem, seriously, I do know who JS is and what he is capable of. I'm just riding along with his joke on his previous post. chill man ! you do have a sense of humor, do you?

Sure.
JoeyA

 

[jjr183]

If you think Schmidt can't run 8 balls in a row playing one pocket, you either don't know one pocket and/or you don't know John Schmidt. In fact if you think it is unlikely that he will run 8 balls you should just sit on the sidelines .....for a few years and watch. Straight pool SIX POCKETS make 200 balls in one inning vs. One pocket, EIGHT balls in one pocket ONE INNING. I dare say it would be FAR easier for any player to run 8 balls in one pocket in one inning and I mean ANY PLAYER regardless of their experience in one pocket.

JoeyA

Of course he could run 8 and out in one pocket. So can a majority of one pocket players since one pocket players in general are more serious, knowledgeable and capable in all billiard games. From what I have heard, playing the ghost in one pocket is all about making 8 and outs.

The problem is getting the first shot, which means out moving your opponent, which is where the joy of one pocket lies. Generally, I much prefer playing one pocket to any other game because when you win, you know you outplayed your opponent. With other games, there is always a chance that your opponent won't make an appearance at the table. How does that really show where you stand, especially when you are playing someone that everyone watching knows can do the same thing, but it was just your turn for a good run.

I think that one pocket is the closest thing to a real sport that billiards has in that it is a competition where both players have a say in each game and must react to each others actions. 8/9 ball are like tennis in that the opening shot (break/serve) has a lot to do in determining the final result, but tennis is still a sport because of the athletic aspects.

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

Spoken like a person who has no idea how hard it is not to give up a shot in One Pocket.

Look at it like this. Against the pros, ONE mistake and you're done.

Maybe against a banger, just moving the ball away from your oppontn's pocket is enough. But that's about the only speed player you'll be able to beat playing like that.

Russ

One mistake against the pros in any sport...and you could be toast.

I played against two pros last night in 8-ball so I certainly know how costly a mistake can be when they mop up after I miss.