Why not a 527 in straight pool??

I think the biggest problem you're going to face with having an event to break the record is realizing it's just not that simple. I think John is right in asking for more incentive. Could he break it if he devoted a month of his life to doing it? Maybe. It could also take a year. Hell, it could take five years. Some might say that this is the price you pay for something of this magnitude but at the end of the day you still have to pay the bills. I don't think there's a 500 ball run just waiting to jump out of John's arm and all we need to do is convince him to try. I think this is a lot of hard work and I also think John realizes this better than most.

Personally, I think the biggest hurdle John will face is the lack of constructive criticism. I don't think 14.1 is as studied as 9ball. Not nowadays, at least. I don't know John at all. I can't say I've ever spoken to him and I don't know shit about what he knows about 14.1 but I do know that the culture isn't there. I can't imagine he has access to someone who can truly criticize his patterns, not like how it might've been 50 years ago.

Maybe I'm wrong. I just think that if we all stand around and watch 10 of the world's best try to break it, we might be waiting a long time.
 
Jude, the idea was just a rough form and it was for 2 players to alternate days 1 day of play, and one day off from play.

The incentive would be from sponsors who would be putting up money. I think I can say conservatively that they could get together 100k easy for whoever broke the record. If you read the type of sponsors I think would be perfect, it's not a stretch for one to offer up 25k or one to offer up 50k especially with the right insurance policy to cover such a thing like that or a hole in one, puck through a small hole at rink length.


Jude Rosenstock said:
I think the biggest problem you're going to face with having an event to break the record is realizing it's just not that simple. I think John is right in asking for more incentive. Could he break it if he devoted a month of his life to doing it? Maybe. It could also take a year. Hell, it could take five years. Some might say that this is the price you pay for something of this magnitude but at the end of the day you still have to pay the bills. I don't think there's a 500 ball run just waiting to jump out of John's arm and all we need to do is convince him to try. I think this is a lot of hard work and I also think John realizes this better than most.

Personally, I think the biggest hurdle John will face is the lack of constructive criticism. I don't think 14.1 is as studied as 9ball. Not nowadays, at least. I don't know John at all. I can't say I've ever spoken to him and I don't know shit about what he knows about 14.1 but I do know that the culture isn't there. I can't imagine he has access to someone who can truly criticize his patterns, not like how it might've been 50 years ago.

Maybe I'm wrong. I just think that if we all stand around and watch 10 of the world's best try to break it, we might be waiting a long time.
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tommyceilings said:
Jude, the idea was just a rough form and it was for 2 players to alternate days 1 day of play, and one day off from play.

The incentive would be from sponsors who would be putting up money. I think I can say conservatively that they could get together 100k easy for whoever broke the record. If you read the type of sponsors I think would be perfect, it's not a stretch for one to offer up 25k or one to offer up 50k especially with the right insurance policy to cover such a thing like that or a hole in one, puck through a small hole at rink length.
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Yeah, I get it but what if neither of them do it? Do they still get paid? I'm sure if John Schmidt were guaranteed to cover his expenses and pocket some cash, he'd do it. Without something like that, any participant is the favorite to lose money.
 
Jude, you opened my eyes to another sponsor, Holiday Inn Express "I can run 528 balls because I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night"

I would imagine there would be some stipend for coming out there.

Jude Rosenstock said:
Yeah, I get it but what if neither of them do it? Do they still get paid? I'm sure if John Schmidt were guaranteed to cover his expenses and pocket some cash, he'd do it. Without something like that, any participant is the favorite to lose money.
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I have yet to see a player walk out on a run I'm sure it happens I know some guys who were at Myers pool hall in silver spring md when Wille walked out on a 400+ run because old man Myers would not pay the expense for him to miss his flight

I sure in tourneys guys quit on runs but I highly doubt anyone would walk away from a high run unless they had too and I believe the goal of every straight pool player is to see how many they can run and there is no way I am buying Mr 400 himself has not locked himself in a room and tried to break that record don't give me that incentive BS

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Agreed, it is every SP players dream. They post when their runs get broken by 1 ball.

So put them in a place surrounded by people they want to be surrounded with and let it happen.

Please comment on the table idea with a player being one day on one day off and just Harriman Schmidt, or another table with 2 more players.

one stroke said:
I have yet to see a player walk out on a run I'm sure it happens I know some guys who were at Myers pool hall in silver spring md when Wille walked out on a 400+ run because old man Myers would not pay the expense for him to miss his flight

I sure in tourneys guys quit on runs but I highly doubt anyone would walk away from a high run unless they had too and I believe the goal of every straight pool player is to see how many they can run and there is no way I am buying Mr 400 himself has not locked himself in a room and tried to break that record don't give me that incentive BS

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one stroke said:
I have yet to see a player walk out on a run I'm sure it happens I know some guys who were at Myers pool hall in silver spring md when Wille walked out on a 400+ run because old man Myers would not pay the expense for him to miss his flight

I sure in tourneys guys quit on runs but I highly doubt anyone would walk away from a high run unless they had too and I believe the goal of every straight pool player is to see how many they can run and there is no way I am buying Mr 400 himself has not locked himself in a room and tried to break that record don't give me that incentive BS

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There's a huge difference between when Mosconi played and now. When Mosconi did it, it was his job to play pool. He was winning 14.1 tournaments and getting his name in the paper. If anyone tried to make a living playing 14.1 in 2013, they would be dead by Saturday. There's simply no money. None. How can you fault Schmidt for wanting an incentive when he runs the risk of breaking a record only azbilliards will care about? Seriously, outside of the serious pool community, there's a great chance nobody will care.

In fact, I think everyone on this thread should go to their local APA bar and ask each APA member they've seen what the record is and who did it.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
There's a huge difference between when Mosconi played and now. When Mosconi did it, it was his job to play pool. He was winning 14.1 tournaments and getting his name in the paper. If anyone tried to make a living playing 14.1 in 2013, they would be dead by Saturday. There's simply no money. None. How can you fault Schmidt for wanting an incentive when he runs the risk of breaking a record only azbilliards will care about? Seriously, outside of the serious pool community, there's a great chance nobody will care.

In fact, I think everyone on this thread should go to their local APA bar and ask each APA member they've seen what the record is and who did it.
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Im not picking up what your laying down
Last time I checked John is a professional pool player he's played in numerous straight pool event all over the world. He has spent thousands of hours trying to make the highest run he can .

So do you think tiger is chasing a record because anyone else cares other than him I hardly think so . There are plenty of Olympic champions that don't earn a dime to break a record in sports many people could care less about.

The drive starts within The best thing he can do is put up or shut up

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Jude Rosenstock said:
I think the biggest problem you're going to face with having an event to break the record is realizing it's just not that simple. I think John is right in asking for more incentive. Could he break it if he devoted a month of his life to doing it? Maybe. It could also take a year. Hell, it could take five years. Some might say that this is the price you pay for something of this magnitude but at the end of the day you still have to pay the bills. I don't think there's a 500 ball run just waiting to jump out of John's arm and all we need to do is convince him to try. I think this is a lot of hard work and I also think John realizes this better than most.

Personally, I think the biggest hurdle John will face is the lack of constructive criticism. I don't think 14.1 is as studied as 9ball. Not nowadays, at least. I don't know John at all. I can't say I've ever spoken to him and I don't know shit about what he knows about 14.1 but I do know that the culture isn't there. I can't imagine he has access to someone who can truly criticize his patterns, not like how it might've been 50 years ago.

Maybe I'm wrong. I just think that if we all stand around and watch 10 of the world's best try to break it, we might be waiting a long time.
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The concept of peer critique is an interesting one and very valid. John is off on his own orbit now but would probably benefit from thoughts from "the elders" of the game.

Lou Figueroa
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Yeah, I get it but what if neither of them do it? Do they still get paid? I'm sure if John Schmidt were guaranteed to cover his expenses and pocket some cash, he'd do it. Without something like that, any participant is the favorite to lose money.
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And from that perspective, if "the incentive" is the reason, then I guess the record won't ever be broken...

However, if someone has the time and energy and skill to run 300 or 400, you know they have it to go to 527, but just cannot get there. Someone said Bill has a huge number of 200 ball runs recorded as performed by John. Is there a soul here that thinks John wouldn't have kept going to 527 if he could have?!

He has the time (and incentive) aplenty, apparently, but has simply, not yet, been able to get there. Same for Danny and his run -- he has the time and energy and incentive and got to a monster number, but could not break the record. Like I said, to an extent, the incentive argument is bogus.

These guys would give their left nut to be "the guy."

Lou Figueroa
 
500 balls?

one stroke said:
I have yet to see a player walk out on a run I'm sure it happens I know some guys who were at Myers pool hall in silver spring md when Wille walked out on a 400+ run because old man Myers would not pay the expense for him to miss his flight

I sure in tourneys guys quit on runs but I highly doubt anyone would walk away from a high run unless they had too and I believe the goal of every straight pool player is to see how many they can run and there is no way I am buying Mr 400 himself has not locked himself in a room and tried to break that record don't give me that incentive BS

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Great point.If your trying to make a name for yourself or trying to profit by any high runs than most players would never stop any run until they miss.Wimpy lassiter quit at exactly 500 balls once and also it was on his 5x10 table.
Also to note I asked Nick Varner how many times he has run 150 balls and he said many,many hundreds of times so I asked him how many runs he has over 200 and his answer was if I have run 150 hundreds of times why would I run over 200 as matches only went to 150 so that's all I practiced to do so why would I want to keep going.
Varner did say he has run over 200 many times also and his highest run where he kept track was 337 and amazingly he ran 337 twice.So if Varner ran 150 balls 300 times or so if he continued everytime while in dead stroke already at 150 balls im sure he would have ran 500 or more quite a few times.
 
wrldpro said:
Great point.If your trying to make a name for yourself or trying to profit by any high runs than most players would never stop any run until they miss.Wimpy lassiter quit at exactly 500 balls once and also it was on his 5x10 table.
Also to note I asked Nick Varner how many times he has run 150 balls and he said many,many hundreds of times so I asked him how many runs he has over 200 and his answer was if I have run 150 hundreds of times why would I run over 200 as matches only went to 150 so that's all I practiced to do so why would I want to keep going.
Varner did say he has run over 200 many times also and his highest run where he kept track was 337 and amazingly he ran 337 twice.So if Varner ran 150 balls 300 times or so if he continued everytime while in dead stroke already at 150 balls im sure he would have ran 500 or more quite a few times.
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Bobby we know Nick is very humble he might not even tell anyone if he had run 527 unless some one asked. John on the other hand would call for a press conference.

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one stroke said:
Bobby we know Nick is very humble he might not even tell anyone if he had run 527 unless some one asked. John on the other hand would call for a press conference.

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OMG.My gut hurts so much from that comment.I gotta say that might be the best comment of the year so far and without a doubt the absolute truth.
 
AtLarge said:
What's your source for this claim?
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Pretty sure that he played on Wimpy's table at his old house in NC. If that is the case im sure he's heard many of stories that you couldn't hear anywhere else because they were never talked about outside of the home. Pool has many buried treasures that many may never know of or even find out about.

That's the beauty in it isn't it?? The mystic of it all.. This is true or can be taken or precieved as forklore or a cock-o-mani story. Some things you will never truly know and other stories are widely talked about like they happened yesterday. Each time I hear a old pool story its like the first time I've heard it. Unless its a dead horse type of subject. :rolleyes:

Ive heard many things from Mr. WorldPro and I believe it all. Ive enjoyed talks with him on pool because he has been in the pool scene for at least 4 decades. Somethings I was told I would never repeat because they were told to me in confidence and confidentually. Things others shouldn't know. Even top flight guys talking about the stuff other top flights guys do. Its nobody's business but... Im sure if the stories are good ones most would tell the world or anybody that wanted to listen.
 
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JB Cases said:
Here is what I would do, I would set up an 8 foot table with 5.25" pockets and a video camera capable of recording for days. Then I would bust it on camera using nearly the same conditions Willie had.

Then when that's done I would work on beating it on other tables.
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Don't forget to have an extremely shallow shelf on the slate like those ball gobbling antiques had. Not saying shots didn't go down the center of the pocket on Willy's run most of the time but having those conditions sure loosens a guy's stroke up. The better the player the better this effect.

JC
 
lfigueroa said:
And from that perspective, if "the incentive" is the reason, then I guess the record won't ever be broken...

However, if someone has the time and energy and skill to run 300 or 400, you know they have it to go to 527, but just cannot get there. Someone said Bill has a huge number of 200 ball runs recorded as performed by John. Is there a soul here that thinks John wouldn't have kept going to 527 if he could have?!

He has the time (and incentive) aplenty, apparently, but has simply, not yet, been able to get there. Same for Danny and his run -- he has the time and energy and incentive and got to a monster number, but could not break the record. Like I said, to an extent, the incentive argument is bogus.

These guys would give their left nut to be "the guy."

Lou Figueroa
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I disagree. I don't play 14.1 that much but I play enough to be able to say it gets tiring very quickly. When John runs 400 and a ball skids on him, it's going to be very difficult to start at 0 again. From a statistical standpoint, a healthy distribution of runs over 200 could plot 10 runs over 400 before a single run over 500 is posted and, that's if John is a machine. He's human. He's going to get frustrated, bored, annoyed, tired. There may not be a world of fame waiting for him so what's left? I think money is the only incentive that can be offered.
 
I started playing pool in 1994 and since then I have only seen 6 different people match up playing straight pool. I was involved in 3 of those lol. Grady had a tournament here sometime in the late 90s or early 2000s.

And I have bet thousands of dollars on pool matches on countless occasions both on myself and others. I have spent so much time in the poolroom and various pool venues its crazy to think about it. 14.1 just isn't played down here really. Sad because I think it's a great game to learn from.

That's all the straight pool I've been around other than me practicing by myself. Hell I don't even know the rules, like what happens if the cueball winds up in the rack area with only 1 ball left?

Anyway, I'd be impressed to no end if anyone beats the record but I don't think anyone can do it on a diamond.
 
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