I agree that it would be a lot better if US pool players got on board with all-ball fouls, like the rest of the world, and it would be even better if all the US leagues used one standard set of rules. At least the ACS uses the WSR, although they currently use "cue ball fouls only".
Not even close to good enough.
Are you familiar with the current international organization of cue sports? The WCBS, WPA, UMB, etc.?
How is my familiarity or lack thereof with these organizations germane to the discussion?
If you have no idea about the organization of cue sports now, it seems to me like you would have trouble figuring out which direction it should go. This may help:
wcbs.sport
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. I'm in two very well run leagues where everyone mostly always gets along. When you start nit picking whether someone's hair, or shirt, or boob or whatever touched a ball and the shooter didn't either feel or notice it, but their opponent did and called a foul, to say that the shooter can override what the opponent called if they don't agree, is just going to create a poop storm of lingering sour feelings. I think it is best for league play to leave it the way it is where you need to bump 2 or more balls to be a foul. I feel this will just be a catalyst for bad feelings with in a league that is well run now. Most all of our league players are personal friends of each other, we don't need this in league to divide us.
In baseball you have an impartial umpire, in pool leagues you don't. Can you imagine in baseball if it was the player, determining whether the pitch was a strike or foul? Pool leagues will loose members after a time, and some members will loose friends. This is not a good rule for league play, tmts yes, leagues no, after a year of this they will loose membership.
So let's think golf.
I played in the Denver event, so I am well aware of their rules. Proud to say I didn’t once give up ball in hand due to all ball fouls.
In golf, you are only playing for your self, unless you are a touring pro. If you want to cheat, have at it, only affects your score, although those golfing with you most likely know your reputation.
The video covers this as well, that is letting fouls slide. I think this defeats your own argument. If you want uniform rules you have to have them uniform. I also think pointing it out then not calling it is patronizing and condescending. Call the foul or don’t. And yeah one time I had a guy who I think had ref training tell me something was a foul after a game that wasn’t a foul. I didn’t like him bringing it up after. It’s like I got away with something or owed him something. (It did get me looking at the rule to find out how he misunderstood the rule.). I don’t think he intended that, but deal with it at the time IMO. That wasn’t an all ball fouls situation though.
Yes, but golf also has local rules and a few options. Drop zones in some situations with hazards, TIOs for pro events. The tours tinker with the slow play rules. I haven’t looked in a while but I often thought that bordered on an agreement to waive rules. And the guys who bet high may modify the rules to avoid arguments.
Not really.
Right. And the WPA had the cue ball fouls only option (akin to local rules) in the old rules. As I said above I think they should have kept it. Leagues are going to keep using it I think.
