sorry, i mean no offense, but i gotta call BS on this one....there's no way a shaft can have multiple pivot points, unless you've changed the laws of physics in some way
Will a low deflection shaft help me?
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sorry, i mean no offense, but i gotta call BS on this one....there's no way a shaft can have multiple pivot points, unless you've changed the laws of physics in some way
It's not multiple pivot points...
Ok this is on a table with 4 and an eighth inch pockets. Now I'm not saying that it gives the exact same position, but using BHE it will make the ball and it doesn't require the laws of physics to change.
It just mean that the flexion in the shaft is relatively consistent across a wider range of pivot point.
I was very surprised with the results, as I didn't think it was possible either, but these are the results.
I will try to come up with a verifiable test that would show to others that this is INDEED occurring.
Jaden
Again, this was not expected and I stumbled across it by accident, but now I am doing further tests and development of it as a specific goal.
Ok this is on a table with 4 and an eighth inch pockets. Now I'm not saying that it gives the exact same position, but using BHE it will make the ball and it doesn't require the laws of physics to change.
It just mean that the flexion in the shaft is relatively consistent across a wider range of pivot point.
I was very surprised with the results, as I didn't think it was possible either, but these are the results.
I will try to come up with a verifiable test that would show to others that this is INDEED occurring.
Jaden
Again, this was not expected and I stumbled across it by accident, but now I am doing further tests and development of it as a specific goal.
One other thing....
I don't even know for sure that it is replicable. IOW, I don't know that I can create a second shaft in the same way and have it react the same way. I am still in the beginning testin stage after an accidental discovery, but I assure you that this is the case.
Jaden
I don't even know for sure that it is replicable. IOW, I don't know that I can create a second shaft in the same way and have it react the same way. I am still in the beginning testin stage after an accidental discovery, but I assure you that this is the case.
Jaden
you do know that using a pocket is far from a good way to check deflection
By making the tip mass adjustable, the amount of LD and the pivot point of the shaft will change. The tip mass difference between a very LD shaft and a std shaft is no more than 5 grams.
yeah but it's a good way to determine effectiveness...
Absolutely, I don't care as much about deflection as I do about effectiveness.
BHE works for making automatic adjustments so that you don't have to manually calculate those adjustemnts.
The difficulty has been the complexity of using BHE for adjustments because of the necessity to find and properly use the pivot point on the shaft you are using.
I got around this in the past by actually drawing a circle around the pivot point on my shaft and using that as a starting point or reference point.
I then started using a low deflection shaft, McDermott I-2 on my 2009 COTY
But have since started sing my own cue and shaft.
Then I was messing around during practice and tried BHE with my shaft and stumbled onto this discovery that the LD shaft I had been developing had a broader range of pivot point than any other cue I've ever hit with.
I literally stumbled on this like two days ago and have been testing it as I can and am working on further developing and verifying it now.
Jaden
Absolutely, I don't care as much about deflection as I do about effectiveness.
BHE works for making automatic adjustments so that you don't have to manually calculate those adjustemnts.
The difficulty has been the complexity of using BHE for adjustments because of the necessity to find and properly use the pivot point on the shaft you are using.
I got around this in the past by actually drawing a circle around the pivot point on my shaft and using that as a starting point or reference point.
I then started using a low deflection shaft, McDermott I-2 on my 2009 COTY
But have since started sing my own cue and shaft.
Then I was messing around during practice and tried BHE with my shaft and stumbled onto this discovery that the LD shaft I had been developing had a broader range of pivot point than any other cue I've ever hit with.
I literally stumbled on this like two days ago and have been testing it as I can and am working on further developing and verifying it now.
Jaden
I've actually thought about doing the opposite for the past year or so. That is, go back to a conventional shaft. The only problem is - I don't have a good one so I would need to look for a new cue. I just can't seem to get away from the allure of using BHE. I currently play with a 314 and I can't use BHE with it effectively. I don't know, I have quite a few years invested in the 314.
One other thing about this discussion that comes that I always find puzzling: If you are using side spin and shooting a firm shot why does it really matter how much you have to adjust for it? Say you have to adjust a 1/2 ball with the LD shaft vs. whole ball with the conventional. It's not like you are going to make the shot with either cue if you don't adjust properly. Unless of course, your goal is to just get the ball close.
I almost think the advantages of having a pivot point closer to your bridge length like you get with a conventional shaft would out weigh the negative of having to adjust more for squirt, especially if you use BHE.
One other thing about this discussion that comes that I always find puzzling: If you are using side spin and shooting a firm shot why does it really matter how much you have to adjust for it? Say you have to adjust a 1/2 ball with the LD shaft vs. whole ball with the conventional. It's not like you are going to make the shot with either cue if you don't adjust properly. Unless of course, your goal is to just get the ball close.
I almost think the advantages of having a pivot point closer to your bridge length like you get with a conventional shaft would out weigh the negative of having to adjust more for squirt, especially if you use BHE.
Its time to order the ld shaft.
Whats all the talk about pivot points and and such, pool is a lot easier when you just get up and let it happen, paralysis by analysis is a real phenomenon
Whats all the talk about pivot points and and such, pool is a lot easier when you just get up and let it happen, paralysis by analysis is a real phenomenon
actually it was my recnt consideration of the same that led to my discovery.
I had switched to the ld I-2 shaft on my mcdermott that got me away from BHE, actually for a while I was still using BHE but had like a 15 inch bridge for it to work.
I had also been working on developing my LD shaft with better feel and feedback and I started using it, it was my desire to get back into competing seriously that got me thinking about switching back to BHE that led to my discovery on my shaft of being able to use BHE.
Jaden
I've actually thought about doing the opposite for the past year or so. That is, go back to a conventional shaft. The only problem is - I don't have a good one so I would need to look for a new cue. I just can't seem to get away from the allure of using BHE. I currently play with a 314 and I can't use BHE with it effectively. I don't know, I have quite a few years invested in the 314.
One other thing about this discussion that comes that I always find puzzling: If you are using side spin and shooting a firm shot why does it really matter how much you have to adjust for it? Say you have to adjust a 1/2 ball with the LD shaft vs. whole ball with the conventional. It's not like you are going to make the shot with either cue if you don't adjust properly. Unless of course, your goal is to just get the ball close.
I almost think the advantages of having a pivot point closer to your bridge length like you get with a conventional shaft would out weigh the negative of having to adjust more for squirt, especially if you use BHE.
I had switched to the ld I-2 shaft on my mcdermott that got me away from BHE, actually for a while I was still using BHE but had like a 15 inch bridge for it to work.
I had also been working on developing my LD shaft with better feel and feedback and I started using it, it was my desire to get back into competing seriously that got me thinking about switching back to BHE that led to my discovery on my shaft of being able to use BHE.
Jaden
Sorry James I've kinda been pickin on you the last couple of days...
You're right, a lot of people do over think the game. That's why I stated that no matter what method you choose to use, it will require lots of practice.
For those of us who engineer stuff to help out people with the game, we HAVE to over think things, we have to kind of understand why things work the way they do.
With BHE, whether you develop it naturally or you learn all of the nuances and adjust manually, there are aspects that are just the way it is and pivot points play a role in that.
I may have stumbled onto something that can make using BHE much easier than it has been because of that, so that people don't HAVE to worry as much about those nuances and I was just bringing it up for those who are aware of those nuances.
There are people who are naturally able to adjust to conditions and through practice attain a high level, you are one of those people. I am one of those people. For the majority though, every little bit that can help them either shorten the learning curve or make attaining that next level easier should be available.
Don't deny the people who don't want to put in 50 hours a week or can't put in 50 hours a week to practice or aren't able to develop it naturally with much less practice the ability to do so by talking down those ideas and understandings that make attaining a high level of play easier for them...
Or are you just afraid of the potential additional competition???
Jaden
You're right, a lot of people do over think the game. That's why I stated that no matter what method you choose to use, it will require lots of practice.
For those of us who engineer stuff to help out people with the game, we HAVE to over think things, we have to kind of understand why things work the way they do.
With BHE, whether you develop it naturally or you learn all of the nuances and adjust manually, there are aspects that are just the way it is and pivot points play a role in that.
I may have stumbled onto something that can make using BHE much easier than it has been because of that, so that people don't HAVE to worry as much about those nuances and I was just bringing it up for those who are aware of those nuances.
There are people who are naturally able to adjust to conditions and through practice attain a high level, you are one of those people. I am one of those people. For the majority though, every little bit that can help them either shorten the learning curve or make attaining that next level easier should be available.
Don't deny the people who don't want to put in 50 hours a week or can't put in 50 hours a week to practice or aren't able to develop it naturally with much less practice the ability to do so by talking down those ideas and understandings that make attaining a high level of play easier for them...
Or are you just afraid of the potential additional competition???
Jaden
well yes of course, but i was assuming a non-mass adjustable shaft for practical reasons
James - I agree with your statement. For me, the whole allure of using BHE and playing with a conventional shaft is to simplify the game and to play more by feel instead of the other way around.
exactly....
The goal is to learn all of the crap and practice it to improve consistency so you can get to that coveted of places, the zone... But to rely on the zone and pure talent means that when you can't get into the zone you have nothing to fall back on.
So the real goal is to be able to get to the zone, but on purpose.
Jaden
The goal is to learn all of the crap and practice it to improve consistency so you can get to that coveted of places, the zone... But to rely on the zone and pure talent means that when you can't get into the zone you have nothing to fall back on.
So the real goal is to be able to get to the zone, but on purpose.
Jaden
I read through this thread, but I went back to the original post.
You have a barbox at home. Do you play majority of the time on a barbox?
Because, if you do I think the equipment you have is more than adequate.
You have a barbox at home. Do you play majority of the time on a barbox?
Because, if you do I think the equipment you have is more than adequate.
well yes of course, but i was assuming a non-mass adjustable shaft for practical reasons
With my tip system, this is one of the advantages to it, along with many more.
These tips play so well, that if you did not know it was a replaceable tip, you would not know.
Sometimes I *really* dislike the way the forum is structured. This guy is asking about a LD shaft, and people go off on rants about Mosconi never needing a LD shaft. That's fine, but the people who wanted to reply about the LD shaft thread have to page through all this BS. Any post in a thread that mentions any aspect of aiming will undoubtedly turn into a 20-page thread about CTE, SEE, HAMB.
Administrators should consider a system with comment hierarchy, where replies to a post are indented, and a reply to an earlier reply is further indented.
That way all of us can skip over an aiming war by skipping a post and all of its reply and move onto the next post in the thread.
Administrators should consider a system with comment hierarchy, where replies to a post are indented, and a reply to an earlier reply is further indented.
That way all of us can skip over an aiming war by skipping a post and all of its reply and move onto the next post in the thread.
What is bhe?
you make some points but its kinda silly to ask if a ld shaft will help your game in theory, go buy one, try it and then decide for yourself if its something that is useful.