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mark tadd

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As far as opinions go, we all have a nose & an opinion. Most of our noses are different, so our opinions might not be cookie cutter images either. I read opinions expressed & I understand the motive of one person seeking to help another. However, when mud is thrown back & forth because opinions are contradicted, I see that as a restraint of personal freedom.

If Little Johnny reads a "suggestion" & Little Johnny can't see the usefulness in that suggestion, does Johnny have the right to sling some contradicting mud on the person who made the suggestion? Hopefully not. However, Little Johnny is well within his rights to ignore the message, even if the message was the absolute truth.

The BS that is slung back & forth will someday ruin the forum we all enjoy. That scenario has already been proven

JMHO[/QUOTE]

how do you figure that the forum will die . this is a pool forum those that want to know the truth and learn, will listen and those that dont want to wont. kinda like religion those that want to know the truth will hear and do .those that are here to socialize and chat and give there oppinion and listen to others oppinions. and even know they have never been at the top or even close, and have at best just given there best guess based on there pool experience. cause they are not really serious and/or about going to heaven oops :D i mean striving to be a great player . they are content with where they are at. i myself wont settle for second best nor will some on this forum. the fact of the matter there are not many ways to get good . just like all roads dont lead to heaven. oops i mean all roads dont lead to rome. :D this forum is like a big poolroom though it is packed on sat. like the poolhall ,people come here for different reasons, even though all tables are packed .they all have different goals about pool . some come to make friends ,pick up girls,guys, drink,eat ,bored, like the game as a recreation only .some come to get good but give up later for other intrests or becaeuse they are not willing to do what it takes to get good or the difficulty of he game. but you always see a few practicing going for the gold . its a tough game to be great at but if you have a passion for the game then its no longer a chore. by the way if you do not have a love and a passion for the game FIRST AND FORMOST YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. even though all top players and even right now b players and short stops know there is not much money in the game they stay because the love the game . THAT HAS TO BE THE REASON.... and some of you for sure i believe will make it. have a great day lads :D

i am not saying that anyone but a pro should not give their oppinion.. im just saying that some seem to argue with the pros and give there advice as another opption or completly bypass what the pro said. i have seen pros give sound advice and the next 10 threads give no comment or question why thats true , but go on to give ten different oppinions . i dont know about you guys but if i take a computer program class and have problem. and my fellow class mates give me there answers, and the teacher gives me his answer who will i listen to . well i guess that depends on how serious i want to be a programer............
 
Whoaaaa there buddy

Do you think the people who play pool for recreation should butt out? Man, these are the folks that support our sport. I don't care if they want to learn or not, they are paying most of the table time and eating and drinking in the rooms. This is what keeps the rooms alive.
I guess you would rather have a forum full of Gradys and Bluds, where it's their way or the highway.
This forum will not die and those that wish to learn will learn. I am a Certified BCA instructor. I have one AZ'er who comes to my home to learn. I have another AZ'er who asked for lessons. I gave him a work book and asked him to look it over. We played that day. Told me he has already seen the stuff in the workbook. I gave him the workbook in a poolhall and we played some. The guy uses an 18" bridge 90% of the time. Go figure.
There are a lot of friendships made here also. I invite any AZ'ers who are in town over to my home to play. When I go out of town, I also hook up with other members.
There is something here for everybody, just enjoy or ignore. You do have a choice.
Purdman :cool:
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
There are a lot of friendships made here also. I invite any AZ'ers who are in town over to my home to play. When I go out of town, I also hook up with other members.
There is something here for everybody, just enjoy or ignore. You do have a choice.
Purdman :cool:
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Speaking of which...when you coming to Florida Don?

*grin* I need those one hole lessons.

Shorty
 
mark tadd said:
i am not saying that anyone but a pro should not give their oppinion.. im just saying that some seem to argue with the pros and give there advice as another opption or completly bypass what the pro said. i have seen pros give sound advice and the next 10 threads give no comment or question why thats true , but go on to give ten different oppinions . i dont know about you guys but if i take a computer program class and have problem. and my fellow class mates give me there answers, and the teacher gives me his answer who will i listen to . well i guess that depends on how serious i want to be a programer............
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The underlying problem with comparing a professional pool player to a computer programmer is that the answers are never as clear-cut as whether or not a program will successfully run. HOW a professional is successful is an extremely personal experience and oftentimes, difficult to convey in words. Not to say they don't know what they're talking about. That's a little harsh. I'm simply saying that professional players frequently lack perspective on such a subject. It's one thing to discuss shot-selection and position routes. It's quite another to discuss how someone processes visual information. There is so much going on and oftentimes, their most successful thoguht can be overlooked as something trivial. A perfect example would be a professional player who, in the midst of a slump, remembered how well he played the previous week and how he kept his head down. He proceeds to keep his head down and manages to find his stroke again. He'll give credit to how he remembered this mechanical flaw when, in fact, it was his immitation of previous success that brought back his stroke, not his head position (even though I do think it's important to keep your head down). When he retells this story to a student, the lesson will be to keep your head down when it really should be to think of previous success when competing.
 
mark tadd said:
how do you figure that the forum will die . ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,old . its a tough game to be great at but if you have a passion for the game then its no longer a chore. by the way if you do not have a love and a passion for the game FIRST AND FORMOST YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. even though all top players and even right now b players and short ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

i am not saying that anyone but a pro should not give their oppinion.. im just saying that some seem to argue with the pros and give there advice as another opption or completly bypass what the pro said. i have seen pros give sound advice and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and my fellow class mates give me there answers, and the teacher gives me his answer who will i listen to . well i guess that depends on how serious i want to be a programer............
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i think you're right, in general, mark. i don't follow these how-to threads too often, so i can't really address the issue about mud-slinging in the how-to threads.

however, i have found that most pro pool players are not as well versed in their game as other players are in other sports. either that, or they fail to communicate well. or they are very dogmatic about the "right" way and the "wrong" way. and i think it goes back to lack of proper training in pool. teaching in pool has always been about "let's play for $20, and you learn as i steal your money". there has never been structure.

so, to answer your example,,,i'd be more prone to believe a computer teacher( a baseball pro, a tennis pro, a THREE CUSHION PRO) than a pool pro,,,though admittedly, a pool pro's advice carries lots of weight with me.

the 3 cushion community is a very giving and sharing one, and because of that, good knowledge is passed player to player. it is quite the opposite in pool, where lot's of "misinformed" knowledge gets passed.
 
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Tons'O'fun said:
Well said, and true. However, this forum is no worse and no better than any other forum when it comes to fighting and arguing.

It's the nature of anonymity, people always have bigger mouths from 1000 miles away than when they are right in front of you.

That's why there's an ignore list. ;)
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i agree but sometimes its good to remind everyone so some those that really want to learn will be carefull not to belive everything they hear. i spent many years playing and learning this game and find it very disrespectful for some to pile a pros advice in the same pile of of answers as the ones who come here to learn. thats what the pros are here for right? or else why have a list of pros ?

but some things can be debated others are a must. like what cue to use , tables ,stances,balls,grips,tips. somethings cannot , not to be silly but having a tip on your stick is not an opption . that is if you want to apply english and run out consistantly. you can follow through is not and option.
 
landshark77 said:
I won't ask which one hole! :D
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All I know is that she has a butt plug on the bottom of her cue. Shorty is talking about playing 1 pocket, I hope. He is to short for me.
Purdman :D
 
mark tadd said:
i agree but sometimes its good to remind everyone so some those that really want to learn will be carefull not to belive everything they hear.
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I for one never believes anything I hear (I usually think its all BS).......I have to (try it) first before I come to the conclusion that something is good or just a bunch of B.S.


BTW...did anyone ever answer you question of the Hal Houle system??

If not, I would definatley like to run it by someone of your caliber game and see what your thoughts are next time your in PHX...

(I can explain the 3-line and Shis-Kebob method to you)

BTW: My new years resolution is to refrain from calling anything a system...From now on I will use the word "method" :D :D
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
Do you think the people who play pool for recreation should butt out? Man, these are the folks that support our sport. I don't care if they want to learn or not, they are paying most of the table time and eating and drinking in the rooms. This is what keeps the rooms alive.
I guess you would rather have a forum full of Gradys and Bluds, where it's their way or the highway.
This forum will not die and those that wish to learn will learn. I am a Certified BCA instructor. I have one AZ'er who comes to my home to learn. I have another AZ'er who asked for lessons. I gave him a work book and asked him to look it over. We played that day. Told me he has already seen the stuff in the workbook. I gave him the workbook in a poolhall and we played some. The guy uses an 18" bridge 90% of the time. Go figure.
There are a lot of friendships made here also. I invite any AZ'ers who are in town over to my home to play. When I go out of town, I also hook up with other members.
There is something here for everybody, just enjoy or ignore. You do have a choice.
Purdman :cool:
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i think you are taking what i said to a extreme i did not intend, hopefully not on purpose. the poolroom scene was an analogy which i thought i made clear.
i dont and have never went into a pool room or this forum with disgust that non pros are there. seems silly you would think that . why would i come on this forum and give advice to people who want to learn the if i didnt like them. i go in the pool room and make friends with every body. and give free advice to all who ask your post is your misunderstanding my post

the last sentence is the only accurate statement about my post. but on other hand this is a forum and they may say as they please . but i can also, as i will, no offence to no one but ,i say this there is advice that is better than all the rest. i think it silly for a person to think all advice are = .
that doesnt make any sence. and i can assure you i know why and how i make balls ,and spin banks , and can explain it clearly as any top player can. the problem is that either they dont want to tell or the player being taught cant comprehend it. believe it or not efren, johnny, and earl are not just lucky they play good. they are very intelegent men and could have done many think besides pool if they wanted to. if you guys think all advice is the same i will challange anyone thats not a pro to a shoot out with your best system like horse or what ever and i will bet i will naturaly out shoot,bank or whatever. not that im scared to play a pro that would be a moot point we all ready know they know something most dont. my point would be to show that a system has limits. and by the way if you dont hit the cue ball acurately your system will fail also.
 
Forum Die....

Just might hit a few Pot Hole in the Internet, like life. Ups and Downs :D
 
bruin70 said:
i think you're right, in general, mark. i don't follow these how-to threads too often, so i can't really address the issue about mud-slinging in the how-to threads.

however, i have found that most pro pool players are not as well versed in their game as other players are in other sports. either that, or they fail to communicate well. or they are very dogmatic about the "right" way and the "wrong" way. and i think it goes back to lack of proper training in pool. teaching in pool has always been about "let's play for $20, and you learn as i steal your money". there has never been structure.

so, to answer your example,,,i'd be more prone to believe a computer teacher( a baseball pro, a tennis pro, a THREE CUSHION PRO) than a pool pro,,,though admittedly, a pool pro's advice carries lots of weight with me.

the 3 cushion community is a very giving and sharing one, and because of that, good knowledge is passed player to player. it is quite the opposite in pool, where lot's of "misinformed" knowledge gets passed.
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the computer was an analogy again. i just picked it to mean there is a reason why people go to school and its not to teach but to learn . and there usualy isnt 10 answers. this is a billiard forum where people come to discuss pool stragedy. now seems to me that since they put ask a pro on here that indicates that they know something that most dont imo :D . if there advice or oppinion is as good as anyone elses may as well take there names down and put some ads up make some money. heck they can always come to the main forum and get lots of oppinions that might get then a title this year . where is efren he can add to his arsinal :cool:
 
mark tadd said:
i think you are taking what i said to a extreme i did not intend, hopefully not on purpose. the poolroom scene was an analogy which i thought i made clear.
i dont and have never went into a pool room or this forum with disgust that non pros are there. seems silly you would think that . why would i come on this forum and give advice to people who want to learn the if i didnt like them. i go in the pool room and make friends with every body. and give free advice to all who ask your post is your misunderstanding my post

the last sentence is the only accurate statement about my post. but on other hand this is a forum and they may say as they please . but i can also, as i will, no offence to no one but ,i say this there is advice that is better than all the rest. i think it silly for a person to think all advice are = .
that doesnt make any sence. and i can assure you i know why and how i make balls ,and spin banks , and can explain it clearly as any top player can. the problem is that either they dont want to tell or the player being taught cant comprehend it. believe it or not efren, johnny, and earl are not just lucky they play good. they are very intelegent men and could have done many think besides pool if they wanted to. if you guys think all advice is the same i will challange anyone thats not a pro to a shoot out with your best system like horse or what ever and i will bet i will naturaly out shoot,bank or whatever. not that im scared to play a pro that would be a moot point we all ready know they know something most dont. my point would be to show that a system has limits. and by the way if you dont hit the cue ball acurately your system will fail also.
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I apologize if I offended you Mark. I am just saying that most of the people on this forum are not pros. We have a section called "ASK THE PRO" do we not. I think when people ask questions on the main forum they are asking for opinions. So that is what they get. Yeah, people sling a little mud now and then, somehow that makes the forum more interesting. Just look at the views when something really gets going. Sometimes it's funny and sometimes it's not.
I can appriciate all you are doing for those who want to learn. I sat down with a guy that studied what happens when two spheres colide for 50 years. He handed me a book he had written that was about 600 pages long. Too much for me buddy. Life is to short for all that. I play for relaxation and fun. I am lucky that I started playing as a child. I am 55 now and will never be a pro at pool. Thats fine with me, I am still a solid player and enjoy every moment I am at the table.
Keep up the good works and good luck to you.
Purdman :cool:
 
Tons'O'fun said:
Well put Purdman.

Mark, maybe you should just hang out in the "Ask a Pro" section since you put so much emphasis on their knowledge?.
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Mark has good intentions and that is a good thing.
Purdman :cool:
 
All in all, Mark's was a pretty good post. But as others have noted, the main forum consists of all types of posters. Those of us on the forum are involved with and love pool for a variety of reasons:

professional players
aspiring professionals
serious players
retired players
stakehorses and gamblers
pool instructors
pool students
room proprietors
equipment gurus
sponsors of the game
tournament organizers
benefactors of the game
fans of the game
new players getting excited about pool

Many who post fit into several of these categories. All these posters are what make this forum great, and not just the professionals, who certainly contribute in special ways at times.

It's the extraordinary variety of posters that will keep this forum alive and well.
 
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