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Willl be in the market for a table for my home room. Would love folks to chime in
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I would recommend a GC as others have. As far as what you could expect to spend, I have heard wide variances in prices. I paid $1,400 for my GCII with a set of Centennial balls and a light, then another $600 for delivery/setup by a very good table mechanic (about 100 mile delivery) and a table cover. Mine had been painted different colors over the years, but stripping and staining the painted parts wasn't too bad of a job. If you can find one in your budget, I would recommend going up to a GCIV. I don't know how they compare to the GCII with regard to quality of construction or durability, but in my experience the rails just play a little more consistently on the IV's. I was not impressed with the GCIII, but that's just me. My GCII is on a concrete floor in my basement, as has not needed leveling since the day it was set up 6 or 8 years ago. Couldn't be happier.
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Can I get some thoughts on flooring and sound proofing? I have 9 ft ceilings in my basement.
I was thinking about wood flooring but to install wood flooring in my basement would be quite expensive given the waterproofing and double layer of plywood that would need to go down before the wood floors. Was thinking about vinyl or should i just do carpeting?
Any suggestions thoughts around sound proofing also a plus!
Thanks
I was thinking about wood flooring but to install wood flooring in my basement would be quite expensive given the waterproofing and double layer of plywood that would need to go down before the wood floors. Was thinking about vinyl or should i just do carpeting?
Any suggestions thoughts around sound proofing also a plus!
Thanks
Soundproofing and sound deadening are two different issues.
Soundproofing prevents sound from escaping the room. Sound deadening improves the acoustics in the room. Carpet will give you a lot of sound deadening in the room. If you have carpet, that's all you need. If you go with wood or vinyl, you will get a lot of noise in the room, so you still may need an area carpet depending on the ceiling you choose.
You should be able to install a laminate wood floor with an underlayment directly on the concrete. Laminate wood floors are inexpensive these days and you can do it yourself with the proper types that lock down. They really look good.
If you need soundproofing , you can install an insulated drywall ceiling (which will not deaden the sound) or a suspended ceiling with grid and tile (which will also deaden sound). The 9' height gives you enough space to install an 8' suspended ceiling. With a suspended ceiling, you will also can build in the lighting with inexpensive 2X4 flourescent fixtures. The newest fixtures use t8 bulbs and they come in a variety of lighting modes to get exactly what you want over the table.
Soundproofing prevents sound from escaping the room. Sound deadening improves the acoustics in the room. Carpet will give you a lot of sound deadening in the room. If you have carpet, that's all you need. If you go with wood or vinyl, you will get a lot of noise in the room, so you still may need an area carpet depending on the ceiling you choose.
You should be able to install a laminate wood floor with an underlayment directly on the concrete. Laminate wood floors are inexpensive these days and you can do it yourself with the proper types that lock down. They really look good.
If you need soundproofing , you can install an insulated drywall ceiling (which will not deaden the sound) or a suspended ceiling with grid and tile (which will also deaden sound). The 9' height gives you enough space to install an 8' suspended ceiling. With a suspended ceiling, you will also can build in the lighting with inexpensive 2X4 flourescent fixtures. The newest fixtures use t8 bulbs and they come in a variety of lighting modes to get exactly what you want over the table.
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Depending upon the basement waterproofing may be required regardless of what flooring you put down.
Engineered hardwood flooring can be put directly down on concrete, a plywood sub-floor is not necessary. This flooring though can be more expensive than the 3/4 hardwood which absolutely requires a wooden sub-floor and is very sensitive to moisture.
I think your best bet, would be carpeting with a good pad, I can tell you from experience that standing, and walking on a hard floor, like concrete with wood over it, will wear you out. Carpet is easier on your joints and it naturally helps to soundproof the area.
As far as soundproofing, you will want to put insulation up in the floor joists above the room, normal fiberglass batts' do a good job, but there are also some very specific products out there now that do a very good job with soundproofing.
Engineered hardwood flooring can be put directly down on concrete, a plywood sub-floor is not necessary. This flooring though can be more expensive than the 3/4 hardwood which absolutely requires a wooden sub-floor and is very sensitive to moisture.
I think your best bet, would be carpeting with a good pad, I can tell you from experience that standing, and walking on a hard floor, like concrete with wood over it, will wear you out. Carpet is easier on your joints and it naturally helps to soundproof the area.
As far as soundproofing, you will want to put insulation up in the floor joists above the room, normal fiberglass batts' do a good job, but there are also some very specific products out there now that do a very good job with soundproofing.
I have a buddy that installed glue down engineered hardwood floor on concrete. When you get at the right angle, you can see large dimples all around the table were the pool balls hit. I wouldn't recommend real wood.
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Thanks for the responses!
I definitely meant Sound Deadening and now think capret is the way to go as it addresses the sound deadening and is easier on the joints.
Also did not think about the potential for balls falling off the table and creating dimples in the hard wood floor.
Thank you also for the suggestions on lighting.
Ok, so thoughts on good padding and carpet thickness.
Still trying to figure out if I go diamond on gold crown. Leaning diamond unless I find a good deal on gold crown.
I definitely meant Sound Deadening and now think capret is the way to go as it addresses the sound deadening and is easier on the joints.
Also did not think about the potential for balls falling off the table and creating dimples in the hard wood floor.
Thank you also for the suggestions on lighting.
Ok, so thoughts on good padding and carpet thickness.
Still trying to figure out if I go diamond on gold crown. Leaning diamond unless I find a good deal on gold crown.
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see anything you like? The options are endless around the table too!
see anything you like? The options are endless around the table too!
Me personally, I would buy used. Resale on pool tables in really terrible. You can pick up an extremely nice used table for well under $2,000 and in many cases less than $1,000. Craigslist always has a lot of tables on it here in the Houston area. Remember you will have to pay someone to move it, probably replace the cloth, and set it up so factor these costs into the budget. Good luck with your search.:smile:
If you want to do this right, use DriCore subflooring http://www.dricore.com/en/eIndex.aspx
You can install hardwood, laminate, engineered or carpet over it.
A concrete floor is like a sponge; it soaks up moisture from below the foundation, the foundation walls and the humidity in the room. If you put carpet padding and carpet directly on concrete there is a 90% chance that you'll get mold unless you run a dehumidifier non-stop (and dehumidifiers are LOUD).
Sound-deadening is pretty simple: hard surfaces reflect sound and soft surfaces absorb it. Carpet will help absorb the sound but don't be surprised if you need to add more soft surfaces. I used to tune recording studios and found one of the best solutions was simply a wall of heavy drapery; it's usually the cheapest and best-looking solution.
Sound-proofing is much tougher. The thing to remember is that the only thing that stops sound (from coming in or going out) is mass. Insulation, foam, blah, blah does nothing. The simplest solution is to use two layers of 5/8" drywall on the ceiling (your drywaller will curse you until the day you die, but hey, you're paying the bill). There are other product/solutions but they are much more expensive and require professional installation. Hopefully your family doesn't mind the muted sound of billiard balls.
Good luck. Sounds like a fun project.
You can install hardwood, laminate, engineered or carpet over it.
A concrete floor is like a sponge; it soaks up moisture from below the foundation, the foundation walls and the humidity in the room. If you put carpet padding and carpet directly on concrete there is a 90% chance that you'll get mold unless you run a dehumidifier non-stop (and dehumidifiers are LOUD).
Sound-deadening is pretty simple: hard surfaces reflect sound and soft surfaces absorb it. Carpet will help absorb the sound but don't be surprised if you need to add more soft surfaces. I used to tune recording studios and found one of the best solutions was simply a wall of heavy drapery; it's usually the cheapest and best-looking solution.
Sound-proofing is much tougher. The thing to remember is that the only thing that stops sound (from coming in or going out) is mass. Insulation, foam, blah, blah does nothing. The simplest solution is to use two layers of 5/8" drywall on the ceiling (your drywaller will curse you until the day you die, but hey, you're paying the bill). There are other product/solutions but they are much more expensive and require professional installation. Hopefully your family doesn't mind the muted sound of billiard balls.
Good luck. Sounds like a fun project.
We stained the concrete, it came out looking very nice, then put down area rugs to define spaces.
Walking on the concrete while playing pool got old and I needed carpet. didn't want to move the table and I worry about water in the basement (shouldn't happen, but you never know). I put down friction backed carpet tiles around the perimeter of the table and it worked out well.
the nice thing is, if needed, all the carpet and rugs can be pulled up quickly.
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Thanks for the responses.
Dricore definitely good option and I am looking into the cost.
I like the carpet tile idea and will look into it as well. It def something I can do myself.
