Thanks for all the replies.
Winner Racks, Winner Breaks.....Do you like it or not.
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As long as were playing texas express rules it should be loser racks
switch to 9 dont count on the break and then you can change who racks.
switch to 9 dont count on the break and then you can change who racks.
Cuebacca said:
Actually I like the idea of eliminating the 9 on the break if you rack for yourself. I would even say take that one step further and say any balls made on the break are spotted up and you keep shooting. It's so easy to loosen up that corner ball to go straight into the corner. Someone with a very good break, that can play position on the 1-ball, can run out quite often. Having a ball or 2 on the spot would bring that down a little. It would also make for a full run out. I don't like to give break run out credit to someone that makes 4 balls on the break and only has to run 5 balls. I'm much more impressed with the breaker not making anything and the other guy running out.
MULLY
Around these parts if you rack your own then the 9 ball on the break gets spotted, if the opponent racks then they are live and a winner on break.
Rack your own is the only way to go. We started that in our league after the BCAPL rules changed. This is an 8-ball league. The folks that complain would typically say, "You're going to rack to your advantage!!!!" Well the answer is DUH at least I won't give myself a bad rack. Oh BTW the opponent does have the opportunity to inspect the rack.
9-ball might be another matter because I suppose you could better rack to your advantage. Of course in Vegas it was alternate break as well.
9-ball might be another matter because I suppose you could better rack to your advantage. Of course in Vegas it was alternate break as well.
mullyman said:
I'm not sure what type of loose rack you are referring to. IMO, the wing ball going in has more to do with balls being frozen than balls being loose. If you disagree, I urge you to buy Joe Tucker's Racking Secrets. It's money well spent for learning about the rack and how the balls break in not only 9-ball but other games as well.
In 9-ball tournaments where a tapped rack is in effect, like at the WPC last time, we see that a 100% perfectly frozen rack virtually guarantees the wing ball in the corner. :boring2:
So I don't really have a problem with how my opponent racks for himself as far as the wing ball is concerned, since I have the opportunity to try for a good tight rack for myself also.
I think everyone deserves as tight a rack as reasonably possible within the limitations of the equipment's condition. Who better to make sure that happens? As the saying goes, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. :grin-angelic:
I like your idea of spotting up all the balls on the break, but I don't think it's necessary. If we were going to do that, I think we might as well play 10-ball (which we should anyway), where balls are harder to make on the break and there's no wing ball to worry about. :grin-square:
mooseman said:
Dang, I was so happy when I found out that the BCAPL switched to rack your own... and then when I started my league, I found out that my area has overridden the rule and stuck with rack-for-each-other! :angry: LOL. I mean, this is 8-ball... what are they afraid of us doing... tilting the rack like 30 degrees for ourselves so that the corner ball shoots straight in?
Ironically, the only break-and-run I've had so far was on a total mud rack. :rotflmao:
I like winner breaks and I like rack your own. I like the momentum swings and stringing racks that comes with winner breaks, and with rack your own you've got no one to blame but yourself for how you rack'em.
But let's make it 10-ball instead of 9-ball. If it's gotta be 9-ball then no 9's on the break--spot the 9 and take ball in hand.
But let's make it 10-ball instead of 9-ball. If it's gotta be 9-ball then no 9's on the break--spot the 9 and take ball in hand.
The winner break/rack first came out I think...to benefit the tournament director and help keep him out of all the BS that evolves when someone gives you the rack, because when the whining/complaining starts, the TD would then take over and rack the rest of that match, too much babysitting if you ask me. I think when you loose...you racking gives you a nice reminder of how you got yourself into this spot, and how you'll go about getting out of it. Its also moves the games along allot faster, which is what rotation pool is. From a gambling position winner break, loser rack, from a TD perspective winner break and rack, if you have time constraints, winner break/loser rack. When you put a nice package on someone & seeing your opponent at the other end of the table racking allot, boosts your confidence and wears your opponent down.
CocoboloCowboy said:
That's why we play winner racks/breaks, 9 (or 10, playing 10-ball) doesn't count in the bottom two pockets on our tour. There's nothing left to argue about there. If you get a bad rack, you gave it to yourself, and you don't have to worry about your opponent rigging the rack so the 9 or 10 shoots out into the corner.
Jimmy M. said:
Winner rack/break has to be the best thing going considering so many will give the bad rack.
The only problem is I do not like to rack after I win. Sounds stupid but true.. So most the time unless the opponent is a real "bleep" I'll choose to rack for each other. I don't slug anyone on purpose so there's no worries about that from me.
Just the way I like to play over here on Crusty Crab Island
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down here in california we play rack your own, with an obligatory condition.... that the talented (here unnamed) mexicans can complain for 20 minutes both during actual shots and while racking if you happen to put 2 or more on them. indeed, the tournament directors (again, unnamed, cough, "big wave" something or other, cough cough) even reward them at times if they complain beyond the alloted 20 minutes, that seems fair and it works well, i suggest perhaps putting this into the bca rulebook. by the way, does anyone know what "hijole! este pinche gringo" means??
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enzo said:down here in california we play rack your own, with an obligatory condition.... that the talented (here unnamed) mexicans can complain for 20 minutes both during actual shots and while racking if you happen to put 2 or more on them. indeed, the tournament directors (again, unnamed, cough, "big wave" something or other, cough cough) even reward them at times if they complain beyond the alloted 20 minutes, that seems fair and it works well, i suggest perhaps putting this into the bca rulebook. by the way, does anyone know what "hijole! este pinche gringo" means??
I assume you're talking about one Mexican player in particular, and he's named after a famous monkey (coincidence?).
He'd be calling you that no matter who was racking, provided he was stuck in the match and/or just missed a ball. Pretty standard operating procedure for him. The foot-stomp after a missed ball is always entertaining too.
Am I losing my mind ?
Jimmy, Please check posts #4 (blackballed) and #6, Coo Coo's response, and please translate for me, if you can, what the Hell they are talking about ? They seem to understand each other perfectly.
scary isn't it ? Also Coo Coo's post # 11 needs a little work ! Does he just bang away and hit submit ? Fatboy could give him the 5 out in a spelling contest.
Maybe I'm just jealous because his threads get so much more action than mine do.
Dick
Jimmy M. said:
Jimmy, Please check posts #4 (blackballed) and #6, Coo Coo's response, and please translate for me, if you can, what the Hell they are talking about ? They seem to understand each other perfectly.
scary isn't it ? Also Coo Coo's post # 11 needs a little work ! Does he just bang away and hit submit ? Fatboy could give him the 5 out in a spelling contest.Maybe I'm just jealous because his threads get so much more action than mine do.
Dick
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