Winning From the Loser Side

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TheBook

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In another post a comment was made that Mike Sigel liked to be in the loser bracket because it made him concentrate more and he felt it gave him a better chance to win.

Is there any statistics on who wins more tournaments, the person comming out of the loser side or the player on the winning side?

If not what have you experienced?
 
I've had more luck coming from the winners side personally..guess it would depend on how the finals are formatted. A lot of tourneys these days are bs IMO..I think that ALL players should have to lose twice in a double elimination tournament. For some reason, its set up now days to where the winner of both brackets play one match no matter what. I don't think thats really fair to the guy that comes out of the winner's bracket. Some tournaments still do it right though.
 
For small local tournaments...

I call it "slugging it up the losers bracket" or "not going cold".

If you win all the winners brackets matches, you might have to sit around and not play for quite awhile, then go cold.

However if you get into the losers bracket, you can keep playing a lot of matches, then be more ready for the final match.

It is good to win all your matches, but it is great to slug it up the losers side and then win the tournament.

I have won most often going up the winners side, but rarely after getting into the losers side. So that is a goal for me. To intentionally get into the losers bracket first thing, then win the tournament from there.

Also I prefer to play rather than sit around, so more fun to be in losers bracket!
 
Pain & the loser's bracket

when I am on I am on period . I have a pretty messed up back and am in pain most of the time . It dont matter what bracket you are in ,eventually you will sit. In my case sitting helps the spasms to go away long enough for me to advance (or not) .Some people once in the losers bracket will say it keeps them "on" and dialed in because they are shooting more.

While I am waiting on the losers bracket to catch up to me (on those rare times I actually do get there ) , I rest,and watch my opponents looking for weak spots in their game and strategize .The main thing one needs to do is keep their head in the game especially if you are sitting at the time

I do the same in the losers bracket , I dont count it as the "loser's" bracket ,to me its just a longer road to the money :)


Ratchet - feels rode hard and put away wet no matther which bracket at the end !
 
Well

Since I play on bar boxes, why in the world would anyone
want to spend 2 1/2 times the quarters on the loser's side.
I know what you mean about the winner's side and sitting a
long time, but most the of the tournaments I play in are still
a true double elimination, and even if I drop the first set, it
gets me back warmed up, and with more determination for the
second set. A 1 final set out though would take knocking some
balls around to stay warm for it.
 
All the double-elimination tourneys I played in the loser had to beat the winner twice, so that was a serious disincentive to go onto the loser's side.

Other than that, it can depend on how the event runs.

Sometimes the loser's side is so hectice that you end up playing 5 matches in a row without time for any rest or snacks in between. This can be very mentally and physically tiring.

Then again, sometimes the pace in slower and the winner's side has to wait 2-3 hours between matches, which can make it hard to keep stroke. While the losers are getting nice 30 minute to 1 hour breaks between matches.

Of course, being on the loser's side means you have to win a lot more matches if you enter it early. That lessens your odds.

I'm more than happy to stay on the winner's side as long as possible, regardless of the final's double chance and longer delays.
 
TheBook said:
In another post a comment was made that Mike Sigel liked to be in the loser bracket because it made him concentrate more and he felt it gave him a better chance to win.

Is there any statistics on who wins more tournaments, the person comming out of the loser side or the player on the winning side?

If not what have you experienced?
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If it's a true double elimination tourney, then I favor the guy on the point. If it's a double elimination that turns to a single elimination at the finals, I still favor the guy on the point, but the guy winning the loser's side should be playing at his very best at that point and his percentages automatically go up knowing that he only has to win the set, rather than two in a row.

Sigel was the best. So, if he made it through the loser's bracket, he was probably favored since he would be presumably playing at his best at that point.

Fred
 
I can't imagine anyone losing a winners bracket on purpose...(unless they intend to dump the tournament in the first place)

I would venture to say it's that they are not worried about being knocked to the losers side because they know they can still win.

I would much rather sit in the winners side knowing that if I lose I still have another chance to come back...

If you lose your first match and have to play 5 or 6 matches to get into the money....anything can go wrong in one of those matches and your done...worst case is it goes wrong right before the money...
 
Yeah, one race in the finals when you are sitting on the point really sucks. The WPBA races to 9 all the way through and then it's one race to 7 in the finals, because of tv. :eek:

I have won most of my tournaments by winning the point. I have won a couple by losing my first round and coming all the way from the loser's side (the Canadians, ever polite, call it the B-side) and winning every match.

In my experience, from what I have seen in double elimination tourneys, the challenger coming from the B-side wins the first match, but can't seem to sustain it in the Finals. Usually the person on the point wins, unless they are just overmatched.

Once my husband is knocked over to the loser's side, he plays a lot looser, whereas, I am the opposite - knowing there is a cushion, I play looser on the winner's side, and feel the heat on the B-side.
 
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