Wisdom & Rationale For Pulling Threads

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In a nut shell:

Too often, people cannot resist the urge to dogpile. They see the spectacle of an open flame and feel compelled to add fuel to the fire.

You have people starting threads about how they were ripped off etc..and find that they filed claims via ups etc.

Once a claim was filed, I don't see what the issue is or why is is being dragged out in public here.

People also have some misconceptions about how much time is comsumed by AZB for some of us. I do not intend to sift through hundreds of posts editing out stuff just so the curious can view the spectacle.

The thread in question had no value. There was no content worth sharing and was trash through and through.

Then there are the ones who would claim censorship.
Let's be very clear here...this is a private business. Everyone here is a guest.

If I think you are hurting AZB, I will act.
I don't think I should need to explain every detail of "why" because frankly, if the people asking why don't get it already, they still won't after wasting my time with an explaination.

As far as the other altruistic posters who feel they are protecting new posters from the evils of whomever...save it.

If you really want to help insure anyone is treated right, have them read the guidlines that are posted and direct them to a reputable escrow service.


Dave


Above, I highlighted three statements that I would like to comment on.

1. I respectfully disagree with Mr. Wilson where he said that he felt the previous removed thread, "had no value" and "was trash through and through."

While I certainly agree that it turned into a bit of a trainwreck, without question there were some valuable embers of information there, you just had to sift through a little ash to get to them.

2. Pointing out that azb is a business and that we are all just guests here, while probably technically correct, sure had a p-r-i-c-k-l-y feel (I had to use dashes because the auto remover didn't like that word, even with ly at the end - lol).

I consistently try to be a good contributor here and would like to think of myself as being more than just a guest. I think "member" has a much nicer ring to it. That makes me feel like I belong to the community. I suspect most others on here probably feel the same way. BTW, aren't the people who come here to read the boards without registering considered "guests"?

3. There really should be more of an emphasis on weeding out forum members who engage in bad business practices while, at the same time, encouraging altruistic behavior, which, IMO, we don't have enough of.

Escrow service, unfortunately, is not a universal fit for all transactions.

Mr. Wilson read the claims of Dave Sutton's last few customers who said they were wronged by him, and he has apparently come to the conclusion that those members claims were, basically, unsubstantiated.

I read things a little differently.

I wish I could go back and reread some of the key points in that thread.

Locking down, rather than removing such threads, should be seriously considered. I do agree, however, that being a mod here can be a thankless and time consuming endeavor and I suppose, due to this reality, the least complicated and most expedient option will sometimes prevail.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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Brian. I agree. It sucks to spend time on a post just to have It deleted.

However... With that being said your 2 novels were not helpful or heartfelt in any way. Not like the last one you wrote. I can handle a negative post against me as long as it's done in a respectful manner. I am not innocent in this mess. I have a big mouth but I have done great and honest business for a very long time. Being behind does not make me a theif. Ups damaging my items also does not make me a theif.

To date Mario has had 3 thread pulled claiming I stole from him. When we all know that is not the case. I have done everything asked by him. He wanted the ups claim made out directly to him. And it was. Had he returned the entire package to me damaged or not he would have receieved a full refund. He didn't for a reason. He has dodged the question why since day 1.

I strongly am starting to believe by actions that he damaged the saw by himself and is looking for a way to recoup a portion of what he paid. I guess he thought I would just take his word and refund him immediately. No happening. I would never offer a partial refund for this product. It is a jig that required mounting drilling tApping and tweaking or it is useless for it's intend. Mario tried for 2 weeks to buy just the jig and the blade. I declined his offer everytime. I explained it wasn't a jig to me taken off and put back onto any saw when needed. It was mounted tweaked and stayed. Finally he called me on the phone and said I'll just take it. At that time I told him he should just drive down and pick it up. It was about an hour from him. He declined and paid 150$ shipping. Totally his call.

To save paypal fees he dropped me a check in the mail. The saw went out the day his check cleared. If I wanted to steal from him he never would have recieved the saw.

There is also the question on why I didn't respond immediately at times. Well none of them called me or emailed me directly. As stated before I do not frequent azbilliards anymore. Don't have the time. So if i get pmed here i wont always get it same day Everytime Mario called me he called me from a blocked number. I do not answer blocked numbers at all. However if he left me a message I responded back ASAP. I make it no secret here I work at night and sleep in the day. So sometimes my phone is shut off during the day so I can sleep.

lol..gotta love it!
 
I noticed that another thread .. "Who paid over 1K for a cue" thread went to never never land and expect this thread to follow soon. UNBELIEVABLY DISAPPOINTING.
 
That thread was in the wanted /fs and had nothing for sale. Some of you really have no clue. Some obv have comprehension problems. For the last time. No one tells me how to run my shop. If you don't want a cue from me. Dont buy it simple as that.

Don't cry the blues when you were one of the contributors.
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, I think Wilson owes us an apology, or at least an explanation for our being only "Guests" on this forum, rather than members which I'm sure we all thought we were.
I'm also a little incensed as to the rather smug way this information was presented to us. The "like it or lump it", "love it or leave it", "my way or the highway", attitude.
I don't believe the good people of this forum deserve this sort of attitude from someone who is in the position he is in. Respect works both ways.
And, forgive me if I seem to be piling on.

Tramp, I also agree that being a mod a is a thankless job. But when I read Mr. Wilson's reply I was taken aback with his attitude. As a partner (very small partner I might add) of AZB, I was disappointed in his reply. I wanted to respond right away how I thought his reply could have been worded with less attitude, but didn't have the guts til everyone else said something.

He prolly wont like me (again) for speaking my mind, but I agree with you and others - I feel his attitude was uncalled for.

However, all the leadership classes I have been through has shown me there is a reason why someone expresses themselves like this. This goes back to being a mod is a thankless job. He is clearly frustrated with everyone questioning his actions, always having to look into things, and accusing him of rights/wrongs, etc. He deals with this every day, I bet, and this is not his full time job and I believe being a mod is voluntary.

I still didn't like his attitude, tho.
 
Tramp, I also agree that being a mod a is a thankless job. But when I read Mr. Wilson's reply I was taken aback with his attitude. As a partner (very small partner I might add) of AZB, I was disappointed in his reply. I wanted to respond right away how I thought his reply could have been worded with less attitude, but didn't have the guts til everyone else said something.

He prolly wont like me (again) for speaking my mind, but I agree with you and others - I feel his attitude was uncalled for.

However, all the leadership classes I have been through has shown me there is a reason why someone expresses themselves like this. This goes back to being a mod is a thankless job. He is clearly frustrated with everyone questioning his actions, always having to look into things, and accusing him of rights/wrongs, etc. He deals with this every day, I bet, and this is not his full time job and I believe being a mod is voluntary.

I still didn't like his attitude, tho.

As usual, you have answered the issue perfectly.
 
My two bits

Wilson makes valid points, and he delivers a few low blows, but it's his generally cavalier attitude that I find disturbing.

I agree wholeheartedly that the forum content is the only thing of value here -- the mods are like umpires and should not be part of the story. But Wilson's cavalier attitude toward "guests" sticks in my craw. At the very least, he might want to run his posts past an Emily Post test.

And, oh yeah, his rather pompous handle makes me smirk. Makes him sound like a prep school headmaster. Which is why I call him Wilson.
 
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I think wilsons attitude is just about on par with anyone that has a bunch of nobodies telling him how to do his job. Same with
Me. The way some of you think things "should" be and the way they "can" be are two different things.

You all think Wilson is sitting back and doing nothing. That is far from the truth. I personally have been pming with Wilson for days now trying to get this resolved. I have assured him all will be taken care of. I am not innocent however I have not wronged anyone intentionally.

If you think banning me will help you are also wrong. Honestly I don't care either way. I know that's not the right attitude to have. However it is what it is. I don't use az anymore for sales and haven't for some time. I only contribute. that will not help anyone get anything faster.

I
 
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Can you please make one of these that says Un-Paid Guest?
 
Tramp, I also agree that being a mod a is a thankless job. But when I read Mr. Wilson's reply I was taken aback with his attitude. As a partner (very small partner I might add) of AZB, I was disappointed in his reply. I wanted to respond right away how I thought his reply could have been worded with less attitude, but didn't have the guts til everyone else said something.

He prolly wont like me (again) for speaking my mind, but I agree with you and others - I feel his attitude was uncalled for.

However, all the leadership classes I have been through has shown me there is a reason why someone expresses themselves like this. This goes back to being a mod is a thankless job. He is clearly frustrated with everyone questioning his actions, always having to look into things, and accusing him of rights/wrongs, etc. He deals with this every day, I bet, and this is not his full time job and I believe being a mod is voluntary.

I still didn't like his attitude, tho.



This goes back to being a mod is a thankless job. He is clearly frustrated with everyone questioning his actions, always having to look into things, and accusing him of rights/wrongs, etc. He deals with this every day, I bet, and this is not his full time job and I believe being a mod is voluntary.


I think the solution is very simple, if you can't take the heat you need to step away from the fire. It is easy to be blatant when your in position of authority, I retired from the Army and had up to 40 people working for me at times. However, when you act in this manner you lose credibility and respect because anyone can use their position to solve problems in place of taking the time to deal with the situation in a respectful manner.

There are certainly times when you have to be blunt and straight to the point to maintain order, but in most cases the situations that require this are much more critical and do allow time for any other solution. There are many things that can be done to help resolve some of these issues before they get out of hand, however, stating that you do care or that it is a bother to help out the forum membership is the wrong answer.

I hope something is done to resolve this situation and the others that are becoming very very frequent on this forum. It is hurting the forum a great deal more than it appears to, while it may not appear very important to the forum leaders they are not the ones losing their hard earned money in these bad transactions.


JIMO
 
I think wilsons attitude is just about on par with anyone that has a bunch of nobodies telling him how to do his job. Same with
Me. The way some of you think things "should" be and the way they "can" be are two different things.

You all think Wilson is sitting back and doing nothing. That is far from the truth. I personally have been pming with Wilson for days now trying to get this resolved. I have assured him all will be taken care of. I am not innocent however I have not wronged anyone intentionally.

If you think banning me will help you are also wrong. Honestly I don't care either way. I know that's not the right attitude to have. However it is what it is. I don't use az anymore for sales and haven't for some time. I only contribute. that will not help anyone get anything faster.

I


I think wilsons attitude is just about on par with anyone that has a bunch of nobodies telling him how to do his job.


I don't consider myself a Nobody, I don't even consider you a Nobody that is a disrespectful comment, but I agree that Mr. Wilson may agree with you by his own words, however, that in itself is really sad!!

JIMO
 
I think wilsons attitude is just about on par with anyone that has a bunch of nobodies telling him how to do his job.

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Well, without the "nobodies" then azb is nothing. It's the MEMBERSHIP that makes this place and those people can be gone in an instant. It's the membership numbers and page views that allow Jerry to sell ads and make advertising on azb interesting to advertisers.

Also, without the nobodies people like you and me would have a lot less business. We use az to get business so we have understand that it can't go both ways. If you want to be a part of the community and sell to them then you have to accept it when the community airs grievances and discusses them.

The way it can and should be on azb is the way it currently is not. What is harming az is that it is improperly moderated and under moderated.

The membership is what makes the forum. I can have an exact copy of alb's forum structure up within a few days. Getting a lot of members, and especially high quality ones who post thoughtful and good content would take years. Unless something major happened to drive those good posters away from here, like telling them that they are worthless and have no voice in how the character of the community should be.
 
Craig. I wasn't saying you are a nobody. I said before I respect your opinion earlier in this thread.

However. This situation just goes to show you how az really is. It's a horrible place. That's why I have chosen over the lat year to end my paid membership stop selling and stop contributing.

Wilson at worst is guilty of poor wording. Nothing else. But az is a bash and destroy first and figure it out later type of place. Now all the sudden you guys want his head. Lol. You guys are really amazing

I will now gracefully bow out. Wilson is off the hook. I don't know why I am here fighting to be in a place I dont even want to be.

However. One last prediction. Wilson. Will be here longer then...
Trigger our az queen
Craig the contributor
Rex the mistaken
Ken the wannabe their
Mario then liar
Ross az's troublemaker
Walkerintn the threatener
Dave sutton the loudmouth
And last but not least...
Hidy ho the piece of crap

Have a nice life ladies and gentleman
 
One last thing. Wilson did all of us a favor by dleteing those threads. He only delete 3 threads started by a "member" blatantly lying about out transaction. Saying I stole from him when he filed a claim. That's the threads that had no valuable info. The same 4-5 people bashing me in them. I had just as many supporters at critics. I have had orders since this mess with assurance I will come thru.

I think a better solution would hbe been to lock the thread and ban all the posters that caused the trouble. Including myself

Maybe that would have made you all happy. 30 days off.
 
BUMP! I think more of the membership should see this thread. Or, is it "Guest List"? I can never keep that straight.
 
Locking down, rather than removing such threads, should be seriously considered.
Locking down would have been preferred as the thread provided a good amount of information on poor customer relations.
As a Club Member, I would hope to have a chance at voicing an opinion and reading the opinion of others - whether they were right or wrong until all parties are satisfied and the issues are resolved.
As stated previously, a thread that is locked will eventually end up at the end of a search and lost in the minutia.
Thanks KC!
 
Dave,

Just a nobody banger here, but I know enough to realize that the best way out of a hole is to stop digging.
 
However. One last prediction. Wilson. Will be here longer then...
Trigger our az queen
Craig the contributor
Rex the mistaken
Ken the wannabe their
Mario then liar
Ross az's troublemaker
Walkerintn the threatener
Dave sutton the loudmouth
And last but not least...
Hidy ho the piece of crap

Have a nice life ladies and gentleman

Funny, I was going to let my last post be my last post, until I saw your crap. Man, you're right out of the first grade with all the name calling.

Me the threatener? I've threatened NOBODY here. EVER.

Sad thing is I'd have stood up for you just as quick if you were having problems with someone.
 
Craig. I wasn't saying you are a nobody. I said before I respect your opinion earlier in this thread.

However. This situation just goes to show you how az really is. It's a horrible place. That's why I have chosen over the lat year to end my paid membership stop selling and stop contributing.

Wilson at worst is guilty of poor wording. Nothing else. But az is a bash and destroy first and figure it out later type of place. Now all the sudden you guys want his head. Lol. You guys are really amazing

I will now gracefully bow out. Wilson is off the hook. I don't know why I am here fighting to be in a place I dont even want to be.
However. One last prediction. Wilson. Will be here longer then...
Trigger our az queen
Craig the contributor
Rex the mistaken
Ken the wannabe their
Mario then liar
Ross az's troublemaker
Walkerintn the threatener
Dave sutton the loudmouth
And last but not least...
Hidy ho the piece of crap

Have a nice life ladies and gentleman

The surest sign that this guy is not going anywhere.

Dave you know you got over on these customers and now you are having your jollies holding their items/money hostage. Oh yeah and your girl is a hard "8" where you live :wink:.
 
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