WNT in Arizona

[JAM]

The good news is you can shorten up any bank. Seemingly impossible bank shots are routine on a Diamond.

Earl Strickland told me that a long time ago at the Old Executive West in Louisville. Those who knew they banked short had an advantage.

 

[jbart65]

but the amateurs can also knock out each other as they will when the play each other . which in turn leaves more pros to crush the remaining ones. so their real chances of winning does not go up.
as in all the tournaments structured as they are, the very top players take off all the money.

If the structure is the same as the Philippines Open, if you win your first match, you get $500, at least. That was the entry in the Philippines Open. Some players there got a bye in the first round and lost the second, so they broke even.

Roughly half the prize fund is added money. That's far, far better than the traditional US pro tournament that was mostly fodder-financed.

As Bob noted, you get $500 if you win your first match. You get $1,000 if you win your second match and finish in the top 32.

Payouts go up to $2,500 for 9-16, $4,250 for quarterfinalists, $7,000 for semfinalists, $12,000 for the runnerup and $30,000 for the winner.

 

[jbart65]

In the Philippines Open, nine of the 64 unseeded players won their first-round match. They are listed below. I add who they beat if it was a notable seeded player.

Fargo numbers are placed in front of their names. Almost all of them have very low robustness.

801 Paul John Ladao - beat Denis Grabe.
737 Jaybee Sucal
801 Mark Jerick Leyva - beat Lee Van Corteza
774 Albert Espinola
809 Yves Cabrito - beat Johann Chua
825 Eric Navarrete - beat Duong Quoc Hoang
707 Joshua Santino Arevalo - beat Roberto Gomez
753 Jerwin Capili Samia
773 Bryant Saguiped - beat flu-ridden Billy Thorpe

Of those nine, four won their second round matches.

Paul John Ladao
Mark Jerick Leyva
Eric Navarrete (beat Jeffrey de Luna)
Jerwin Captili Samia (beat James Aranas)

After that, Eric Navarrete was the only one to advance. He beat Anton Raga 10-6 in the round of 32.

He finally lost in the round of 16 to Roland Garcia, 10-6.

 

[maha]

so only one semi pro or lower pro made it through three matches and then lost.

so how long will these players keep coming to all the tournaments now after losing and seeing they have virtually no chance.

big world opens should be a real test of the best. but these smaller 2nd level tournaments should be structured so many of the entrants have a real chance of cashing and even winning.

 

[jbart65]

Now it looks like that schedule conflict was an outlier and Matchroom is striving to offer a player friendly schedule.

August now looks like a very special month for the pro players, with the Florida Open, Arizona Open and the US Open 9ball. This kind of scheduling keeps player travel and participation expenses down and enables pros to earn a better living. Nicely done, Matchroom!

The good folks at Matchroom are making good on their stated objective of having more events in the United States.

Most of the WPA and WNT scheduling conflicts will come in Sept-Oct. And there will be a few big ones.

Before that, the only conflict I see is possibly with the Florida Open in early August. Predator is running a WPA event in Rome around the same time, with a total payout of $325,000. Of that money, $200,000 is for the women's 10-ball world championship.

So far, the WPA site does not list a major men's tourney in Rome. My guess is, the other $125,000 would be for a mixed doubles event that could draw some top men.

In September, the China Open takes place from Sept 6 to Sept. 13.

Predator is running the WPA Men's 10-ball world championship in Vietnam from Sept. 19 to Sept. 26.

That's followed by a big Predator event in Bali from Sept. 28 to Oct. 5 that will include a Men's Doubles "World Championship." The total prize fund is $525,000, of which $200,000 is for the Women's 9-ball World Championship.

Later in October, the Qatar Open will take place from Oct 19 to Oct 29.


WNT has not announced dates yet for the Peri Open, Vietnamese Open and Philippines Open and Reyes Cup. The week of Oct. 6 to Oct 11 is open, as is Oct. 13 to 18.

So at least two major conflicts appear likely unless some events are moved into June and early July. The calendar still has some nice openings in those months.

 

[maha]

As Bob noted, you get $500 if you win your first match. You get $1,000 if you win your second match and finish in the top 32.

Payouts go up to $2,500 for 9-16, $4,250 for quarterfinalists, $7,000 for semfinalists, $12,000 for the runnerup and $30,000 for the winner.

so only 4 out of 64 of the 128 players get enough to pay maybe for their expenses for the trip.
get my point here? they need to structure the playing conditions to lure more players in general that have smaller chances of winning..

 

[jax_joe]

Most of the WPA and WNT scheduling conflicts will come in Sept-Oct. And there will be a few big ones.

Before that, the only conflict I see is possibly with the Florida Open in early August. Predator is running a WPA event in Rome around the same time, with a total payout of $325,000. Of that money, $200,000 is for the women's 10-ball world championship.

So far, the WPA site does not list a major men's tourney in Rome. My guess is, the other $125,000 would be for a mixed doubles event that could draw some top men.

In September, the China Open takes place from Sept 6 to Sept. 13.

Predator is running the WPA Men's 10-ball world championship in Vietnam from Sept. 19 to Sept. 26.

That's followed by a big Predator event in Bali from Sept. 28 to Oct. 5 that will include a Men's Doubles "World Championship." The total prize fund is $525,000, of which $200,000 is for the Women's 9-ball World Championship.

Later in October, the Qatar Open will take place from Oct 19 to Oct 29.


WNT has not announced dates yet for the Peri Open, Vietnamese Open and Philippines Open and Reyes Cup. The week of Oct. 6 to Oct 11 is open, as is Oct. 13 to 18.

So at least two major conflicts appear likely unless some events are moved into June and early July. The calendar still has some nice openings in those months.

They announced dates in the press but probably haven't put them on their site's calendar as they have no venues locked in.


"We are set for the Reyes Cup being on the 15th to the 18th of October," Frazer told ESPN. Those dates are set, however the venue is still to be confirmed."

Frazer said she would like to see the 2026 tournament staged at Araneta Coliseum in Manila, as it joins the world tour, but availability would play a key role in the final decision.

The Reyes Cup will be followed by the second Philippines Open, staged from Oct. 20-24. "I hope it will be at the Gateway 2 Mall," Frazer said. "

 

[Bob Jewett]

so only 4 out of 64 of the 128 players get enough to pay maybe for their expenses for the trip.
get my point here? they need to structure the playing conditions to lure more players in general that have smaller chances of winning..

I think from Matchroom's point of view, the reasons to have lots of players is to create buzz back home, encourage new talent, and satisfy room-night requirements at the venue. Other than that, the sub-800 players are just underfoot. If a match is not worth watching, it is not useful to MR.

The chance to get your entry fee back in MR events is already much, much better for the bottom half than in the traditional American pro event. Consider Derby City for example, and look at the added money there. 11th place got $1600 in the nine ball with nearly 500 entries.

 

[maha]

yes of course as long as their is added money weaker players have a chance to get some back. and that is good.

but hardly any chance of actually winning.

beating out 489 out of 500 players gets you 1600 bucks is a shame. which is still out of reach for all but top pros or those close to that.

 

[sjm]

Most of the WPA and WNT scheduling conflicts will come in Sept-Oct. And there will be a few big ones.

Before that, the only conflict I see is possibly with the Florida Open in early August. Predator is running a WPA event in Rome around the same time, with a total payout of $325,000. Of that money, $200,000 is for the women's 10-ball world championship.

So far, the WPA site does not list a major men's tourney in Rome. My guess is, the other $125,000 would be for a mixed doubles event that could draw some top men.

In September, the China Open takes place from Sept 6 to Sept. 13.

Predator is running the WPA Men's 10-ball world championship in Vietnam from Sept. 19 to Sept. 26.

That's followed by a big Predator event in Bali from Sept. 28 to Oct. 5 that will include a Men's Doubles "World Championship." The total prize fund is $525,000, of which $200,000 is for the Women's 9-ball World Championship.

Later in October, the Qatar Open will take place from Oct 19 to Oct 29.


WNT has not announced dates yet for the Peri Open, Vietnamese Open and Philippines Open and Reyes Cup. The week of Oct. 6 to Oct 11 is open, as is Oct. 13 to 18.

So at least two major conflicts appear likely unless some events are moved into June and early July. The calendar still has some nice openings in those months.

Thanks. That's great info.

 

[jbart65]

"We are set for the Reyes Cup being on the 15th to the 18th of October," Frazer told ESPN. Those dates are set, however the venue is still to be confirmed."

The Reyes Cup will be followed by the second Philippines Open, staged from Oct. 20-24. "I hope it will be at the Gateway 2 Mall," Frazer said. "

I can't believe ESPN wrote an article on this, but the writer is a stringer in the Philippines. The article was certainly for local consumption.

In any case, the Philippines Open will only partly overlap with the Qatar Open.

Last year, the first five days of the Qatar Open were qualifiers for lesser ranked players. The main action involving all the seeded players took place in the final four days.

The Qatar schedule allowed some players who already qualified for the Qatar Open via WPA rankings to play in both the Philippines and Qatar events. That's because the final stage of Qatar started two days after the Philippines Open finished.

If the Reyes Cup is Oct. 15 to 18, it would suggest the Hanoi Open would run from Oct. 6 to Oct. 11. That's based on how it worked out last year.

If so, the Hanoi Open for the first time could include Filler and all the best male players.

That leaves the Peri Open, a four-day event. Best bet is probably Sept. 30 to Oct. 3, starting three days after the WPA/Predator 10-ball event ends.

Some top players might attend the Predator doubles tourney in Bali and miss Peri. SVB played in the doubles event last year, for instance.

Hanoi would start three days after Peri and just one day after the Predator doubles event.