Women of the IPT tour, thoughts?

[SlimShafty]

Honestly does anyone think Fisher, Corr or Jones will be in the top 75? With this format I would be shocked if they made into the top 50.

I wish them all the success, and give them credit for going for it, and I am sure they will make some good money, but they better be practicing the break as we speak

Where is Jean? I was hoping she was secretly practicing to give it a go

 

[MexPoolPlyr]

I think they will struggle with the stroke and slow cloth. Hopefully, they will do well, but I think that will be their biggest problem

 

[Celtic]

Fisher and Corr may be close to the top 75 if they can play their best, maybe even a little higher. The other female players are going to be lucky to not be bunched up in the bottom 20.

 

[landshark77]

Fisher and Corr may be close to the top 75 if they can play their best, maybe even a little higher. The other female players are going to be lucky to not be bunched up in the bottom 20.

I would put Kelly Fisher up there too. I am not sure that Gerda will be in the bottom...maybe somewhere in the middle, but then again until her studies are completed I would venture to say she is a bit preoccupied. JMHO.

 

[bruin70]

Honestly does anyone think Fisher, Corr or Jones will be in the top 75?

...........no...........

 

[Celtic]

I would put Kelly Fisher up there too. I am not sure that Gerda will be in the bottom...maybe somewhere in the middle, but then again until her studies are completed I would venture to say she is a bit preoccupied. JMHO.

Yeah I dont agree. These women are now going to be facing the top men in the game on reasonably tough equipment in tournaments that are made to sort out the truely best. Allison and Karen will have to play their hearts out to keep their cards IMO, Kelly Fisher and Gerda are going to get smoked, the women are simply not playing at that level and neither one of them could even top the womens tour let alone the IPT. Plus they are playing 8-ball and none of the women have much for a break. 8-ball takes a much better break, I dont think it looks good for any woman on this tour.

 

[zeeder]

Yeah I dont agree. These women are now going to be facing the top men in the game on reasonably tough equipment in tournaments that are made to sort out the truely best. Allison and Karen will have to play their hearts out to keep their cards IMO, Kelly Fisher and Gerda are going to get smoked, the women are simply not playing at that level and neither one of them could even top the womens tour let alone the IPT. Plus they are playing 8-ball and none of the women have much for a break. 8-ball takes a much better break, I dont think it looks good for any woman on this tour.

I'll have to disagree with you about Kelly Fisher. When she got in stroke in San Diego (Alpine, CA) she essentially broke and ran 7 or 8 in a row and was getting out from everywhere when it wasn't her break and her opponent gave her a shot.

I'm not saying she's going to be on top of the tour, but she does have game!

 

[Celtic]

I'll have to disagree with you about Kelly Fisher. When she got in stroke in San Diego (Alpine, CA) she essentially broke and ran 7 or 8 in a row and was getting out from everywhere when it wasn't her break and her opponent gave her a shot.

I'm not saying she's going to be on top of the tour, but she does have game!

The good thing is we will finally get to see how they truely perform against the men. No more 100 post threads of debate and arguement, we are finally gonna get some real proof.

 

[zeeder]

The good thing is we will finally get to see how they truely perform against the men. No more 100 post threads of debate and arguement, we are finally gonna get some real proof.

That is definitely true. I'm pretty interested to see how the ladies do as well.

 

[SlimShafty]

The good thing is we will finally get to see how they truely perform against the men. No more 100 post threads of debate and arguement, we are finally gonna get some real proof.

Yeah, and I love that they can't break from the rail which will hurt most of the women and dare I say a few men

 

[zeeder]

Yeah, and I love that they can't break from the rail which will hurt most of the women and dare I say a few men

I don't know, when I'm not going for a 2nd ball break I break from close to center in 8-ball. Then again, I break like a 12 year old girl with anorexia...lol.

 

[LastTwo]

Allison can give Efren the 4-out because she has a cuetech and cuetechs are friggin awesome and anyone who has a cuetech is friggin awesome

 

[StormHotRod300]

Well this will give a good showing on how good the men really are, and the difference between the men and the women.

I will agree and, say that i think most of the women will go 2 n out, or maybe win 1 or 2 matches and then be out of the tournament.

that being said, i give these women 1 yr doing the IPT tournaments before they figure out they cant make any money playing in the 8ball tournaments.

I dont knock the talent of the women who play on the WPBT, but the difference between playing against men and women, is well ALOT.

Just take a look at the Mike Sigel and Loree Jon Jones, match.


dave

 

[landshark77]

8-ball takes a much better break, I dont think it looks good for any woman on this tour.

I dunno about that. I break like a girl ( ) and I can give the top boys in my area a run when I am on point (I have been slacking off in the past months.)
IMO, in 8 ball the break isn't as important as it is in 9 ball. In 9 ball you have to keep whitey in control to get on your OB as your OB is defined for you. In 8 ball even if whitey is turned lose you more often than not you have a shot because you get to pick any one of 7. Furthermore, 8 ball isn't necessarily a game of run'em out billiards. IMO, in 8 ball there is more opportunity for safeties...as you are playing AGAINST another player's balls..not the same ones. Look at the top ladies they picked...all have snooker backgrounds...thus a high level of safety play. Personally, I think if any game can make the playing field equal it is 8 ball and I think the ladies stand a GREAT chance.

Landshark77 <~~~LOVES 8 ball.

 

[pocono]

It's about time the women pros and men pros are going to compete against each other. It will be interesting to see how the women hold up against the men. I believe the men are stronger players, the women can play the game also. Good luck to all the players competing in the tournament, I will attend the event.

 

[Snapshot9]

thoughts

I dunno about that. I break like a girl ( ) and I can give the top boys in my area a run when I am on point (I have been slacking off in the past months.)
IMO, in 8 ball the break isn't as important as it is in 9 ball. In 9 ball you have to keep whitey in control to get on your OB as your OB is defined for you. In 8 ball even if whitey is turned lose you more often than not you have a shot because you get to pick any one of 7. Furthermore, 8 ball isn't necessarily a game of run'em out billiards. IMO, in 8 ball there is more opportunity for safeties...as you are playing AGAINST another player's balls..not the same ones. Look at the top ladies they picked...all have snooker backgrounds...thus a high level of safety play. Personally, I think if any game can make the playing field equal it is 8 ball and I think the ladies stand a GREAT chance.

Landshark77 <~~~LOVES 8 ball.

I beg to differ with you, but the break is just as important in 8 ball as 9. Probably more so, because if you don't get a good break, you have more
ball clusters, and many more complications to making the run. Positon
play, and being on the RIGHT SIDE of a shot becomes more important in
order to break balls, and finish getting out. Every woman I have seen
play 8 ball tends to take a simplistic approach to the table without a
great deal of thought towards the more complicated things they have to
do to run the whole table, and not leave 1 or 2 balls tied up in the end.
With 9 ball, or any sequential type game, you can plan 2 shots ahead
and be just fine all the time, with 8 ball that is not necessarily true.

You talk about beating the boys, but how many total trips to the table
are you getting? At the pro level, if you get 1 trip to the table, you are
lucky, and more than 1 is extremely lucky and probably as a result of a
safety. Kicking at balls is going to be real important because you have
to hit the ball, but the leave after you hit the ball is more important because
your opponent has more balls to shoot at than 9 ball.

At the pro level, the players that will rise to the top will be those that
have the strongest mental game and that can think abstractly. Why
do you think Mike Sigel won so many tournaments? He was one of, if
not the toughest players on the mental aspects of the game.

 

[Coop1701]

I think the ladies are going to surprise some of you guys. I'm not going to qoute Billyjay. But Fisher can stroke it and I think there's a few women that will upset some of the guys and send them home early.

8 ball is a much harder game than 9-ball. IMHO I think it's going to even the playing field and make for some good games.

 

[landshark77]

You talk about beating the boys, but how many total trips to the table
are you getting? At the pro level, if you get 1 trip to the table, you are
lucky, and more than 1 is extremely lucky and probably as a result of a
safety.

I am by far no pro....I can run a table in 8-ball...but not too frequently. Granted the guys I am playing are not pro either. Funny thing is...the pro's I do know won't play me 8 ball!! As far as table trips it varies between say 2 and 9. But like I said I am not talking pro caliber of play.

Kicking at balls is going to be real important because you have to hit the ball, but the leave after you hit the ball is more important because your opponent has more balls to shoot at than 9 ball.

Agreed.

At the pro level, the players that will rise to the top will be those that have the strongest mental game and that can think abstractly.

Agreed, but wouldn't you also say that snooker requires this too???

 

[jay helfert]

Women on IPT

Honestly does anyone think Fisher, Corr or Jones will be in the top 75? With this format I would be shocked if they made into the top 50.

I wish them all the success, and give them credit for going for it, and I am sure they will make some good money, but they better be practicing the break as we speak

Where is Jean? I was hoping she was secretly practicing to give it a go

You may be all surprised. Allison, Karen, Jeanette and Kelly are the real deal. They can play! And they have a lot of tournament experience from battling on their tour. Look at their results already on regional tours, and Jeanette at Derby City.
They are going to win matches and put the heat on a lot of guys. They probably won't win any tournaments, but I would not be too surprised to see one of them score a high finish or two.
I don't care if their playing 9 Ball or 8 Ball. I saw Jeanette torture a few top players at 8 Ball at the Riviera a few years ago. A good pool player is a good pool player period.
More important to me is that they are playing. I believe it is great for Pool to have women and men competing against each other. Think Annika and Michelle Wie on the PGA. It is very exciting to see women compete against men, and on equal footing. And Pool is the perfect sport for this type of competition. Smart move by the promoters!
This tour could signal a major breakthrough for Pro Pool as a sport. Big money, great competition and wide coverage. I'm all for that.

 

[Celtic]

A good point of view. Too bad Fred Agnir isn't here to dispute you. We have had debates on whether 8 ball is a run out game, and this was more from an ametuer's point of view. If you read the '8 Ball Bible', it is clear that 8 ball has a lot more safety play that the common Joe Blow realizes.

There is alot more chesslike moves in 8-ball then 9-ball but it is also alot harder to play good safes in 8-ball because you have alot more balls to worry about that your opponent has unless they already blew the ERO.

A good safety game is a great thing to have but you need runout power to keep up with the Mike Sigel's and all the other top pro's of the game. Remember, he ran 5 and out on LJJ in the opening event from 4-2 for a 9-2 win. You cannot beat that kind of runout potential with good safeties alone, you need to be able to fire back with multiple table runs or you are going to get run over (pun intended).