Women? Why can't they hang with the men?
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record breaker - bad info
http://www.sharpshooterfreethrows.com/
The Current WORLD RECORD HOLDER for CONSECUTIVE free throws with
5,221
NOT A FEMALE!!
bud green said:
http://www.sharpshooterfreethrows.com/
The Current WORLD RECORD HOLDER for CONSECUTIVE free throws with
5,221
NOT A FEMALE!!
cuetechasaurus said:
I placed just out of the money, along with gerardo Jamito, Mike massey, and fifteen other top players...... and I only lost to Santos Sambajon and another top player...... Besides which this was my first tournament against top players and I'm not a PRO...... nervousness, and because of it, tiredness beat me.... but excuses are like a$$holes everyone's got one and they all stink. All of this is besides the point. You setup the same runouts that she had and me or my bro would have runout ninety percent of the time. And I'll be happy to wager you on that....that's the reason that my bro was willing to bet me that she'd runout because he figured that a pro should get out all of the time from there.
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This was in competition, not in practice. Shooting in a college game with a crowd watching is a lot different than chillin out in the local gym.
I'd guess someone out there has made 133 three pointers in practice. Some of these people are freaks of nature I guess- 5221 in a row is ridiculous.
I'd guess someone out there has made 133 three pointers in practice. Some of these people are freaks of nature I guess- 5221 in a row is ridiculous.
well......
Why do think that they differentiate between runs in practice and runs in competition.....I'm not down playing the accomplishment, I know I'd be lucky to make ten(freethrows not balls in straight pool), but the question is whether women can hang in competition with men.....
jsp said:
Why do think that they differentiate between runs in practice and runs in competition.....I'm not down playing the accomplishment, I know I'd be lucky to make ten(freethrows not balls in straight pool), but the question is whether women can hang in competition with men.....
PROG8R said:
Personally, I am sick of this question. I've joked about it's repetition like clockwork, but I think I fell of the edge last time.
This should be an FAQ. And someone should take this challenge up. Look at all the posts in this thread. Write down every point. Do not throw out or dismiss any single point. Every point (3 or 4 major points, with a half dozen or so different, but related points) that I've seen on this thread are CORRECT.
It's not just one thing, but an accumulation of several factors. That's why everyone has different opinions. Everybody has a legitimate reason.
So, the next time someone asks this question, we can just say "Check the FAQ, question #1."
I think the worst thing people can do on this question is to discount any of the reasons. For example, it might be PC to discount physical reasons, but to discount physical reasons is wrong, closed-minded, and useless to the discussion. IMO. I'm not saying physical is the only reason, but rather it's one reason that adds a percentage to the overall equation.
Fred
Cornerman said:
Exactly Fred,
the only reason I chime in on these things so vocally when they come up, notice that I never start one, is that I'm tired of the PC Bull$h!t...... I hate all of that crap.... Yeah women are in the military, so am I and I'll tell you right now that they can't hang, thay are always getting preferential treatment with working parties with jobs (even in the same rate) and unless they're roided out they can't physically hang......It's quite pathetic and don't get me started about female cops.... I don't care if anyone thinks I'm cheauvinistic or not... I'm more of a realist than anything....Ever since the friggin sixties every sense of self ever attributed to anyone has been distorted and it has contributed to the delinquency of todays youth and overall confusion as to identities.....
Wuuhhhh, got that all out..... sorry about that I apologise about my ramblings, I just fervently believe certain things and it gets me worked up sometimes....
She went 22 or 23 games without a miss. I doubt she'd get anywhere near 5221 in a row in practice if she tried the rest of her life but she still broke the competitive record.
It's lot harder to shoot after running up and down the court, playing defense, getting sweaty, needing a critical free throw at the end of the game. Didn't a Seattle Supersonic player (Ricky Pierce?) almost break the NBA record a couple years ago? I think he made about 86 in a row and then clanked one off the rim. Pressure changes everything.
That 5221 still boggles my mind, though. Anyone ever heard of the golfer Moe Norman? Definately worth doing a google search on him. One site said he didn't hit a ball out of bounds for over 11 years of competition. Maybe the best ball striker in history- even better than Ben Hogan. After Rain Man came out, people who knew him figured he might be autistic because he had socialization issues but hit a golf ball so pure, every time, they figured he had "savant" level ability.
It's lot harder to shoot after running up and down the court, playing defense, getting sweaty, needing a critical free throw at the end of the game. Didn't a Seattle Supersonic player (Ricky Pierce?) almost break the NBA record a couple years ago? I think he made about 86 in a row and then clanked one off the rim. Pressure changes everything.
That 5221 still boggles my mind, though. Anyone ever heard of the golfer Moe Norman? Definately worth doing a google search on him. One site said he didn't hit a ball out of bounds for over 11 years of competition. Maybe the best ball striker in history- even better than Ben Hogan. After Rain Man came out, people who knew him figured he might be autistic because he had socialization issues but hit a golf ball so pure, every time, they figured he had "savant" level ability.
I knew Moe Norman.
He came down to our Country club every year for the winter. No matter how hot it was out that guy always wore long sleeve shirts and always wore 2 or three rolex watches. He had more golf shoes than any man alive..LOL and a new CADILAC every 6 months. He was a very excentric man, mostly kept to himself, but once you got him talking WOW!!
Miss the old dude..
He came down to our Country club every year for the winter. No matter how hot it was out that guy always wore long sleeve shirts and always wore 2 or three rolex watches. He had more golf shoes than any man alive..LOL and a new CADILAC every 6 months. He was a very excentric man, mostly kept to himself, but once you got him talking WOW!!
Miss the old dude..
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Cameron Smith said:
I play poker for a living and would much rather play against any of the top women (Harrman, Duke, NG, Leiber, Gowen) than against the top men, whom I consider myself one of. The women may sneak into a tourney every now and again, but by and large its the same in poker as in any other game or sport.
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jay helfert said:
If you are referring to Annika Soremstam and (for god's sake) Michelle Wie, they can't even come close to competing with the men. Each and every week 156 players tee it up on the PGA Tour. Sorenstam and Wie can't beat any of them on a regular basis. Sure the might come in 110th and beat 40-50 players in a given week. But, in order to do so, they have to play at a very high level and they guys they do beat for 2 days have to have off days. Otherwise, they finish in the bottom 10 each and every week. As far as Michelle Wie playing in all of these different mens tourneys, I think is a shame that she is taking up someones spot that is trying to earn a living. Every time she tees it up, someone that has partial exemption status or sponsor exemption loses out on playing in that tournament. This is not the upper tier of players, but the ones that teeter on the top 125 and struggle to stay on tour and make a living. I do not think women should be allowed to compete in mens events in any sport, PERIOD. Men can't play in womens events, so why is it a double standard. It just makes no sense.
Size is a real factor
A lot of things have been discussed but a simple mechanical factor hasn't unless I overlooked it in my quick scan of the posts. Simply put, the average woman is smaller than the average man. Obviously, they play on the same size and height tables when competing together.
When standing the average man has a better overhead perspective of the table. He also has a reach advantage which means that in the course of a match there are fewer awkward shots that he has to attempt.
Aside from any other consideration, taller pool players with longer reach have innate advantages. Shorter players can overcome these advantages in some cases but all else being equal the taller player will win.
Hu
A lot of things have been discussed but a simple mechanical factor hasn't unless I overlooked it in my quick scan of the posts. Simply put, the average woman is smaller than the average man. Obviously, they play on the same size and height tables when competing together.
When standing the average man has a better overhead perspective of the table. He also has a reach advantage which means that in the course of a match there are fewer awkward shots that he has to attempt.
Aside from any other consideration, taller pool players with longer reach have innate advantages. Shorter players can overcome these advantages in some cases but all else being equal the taller player will win.
Hu
ShootingArts said:
I totally agree about the physical aspect. Even short men have more compactly bundled fast twitch muscles which allow more power per punch than a woman's. The bigger person also has a greater hand span which allows them to bridge over balls better - for jumping and obstructing balls. It also gives them a more solid plant.
I have not taken the effort to ever list the dozen reasons I see that account in the disparity between the sexes. But I do want to point out just this one time, where the short girl won...... (Kimberly Kirk - 3-time Amateur National Champion, and then WPBA 19th-ranked Kerry Hartsfield Impson. I won at the 211 Club, beating them both.)
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I think the break is the biggest factor. For example, when you see the ladies play on TV, they are playing on brand new cloth which makes it a little easier to make balls on the break plus the pockets are a little bigger too. On a table where the cloth is a little worn, you would see a huge difference because of the break. Now Allison is probably the only one that could let say have Johnny Archer break for her and have a chance to beat one of the mens top 20 players.
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