Women's World 10-Ball in NYC this year

sjm said:
Last year, first prize was $21,000. Nice.
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This is not a World Championship, and WPA is pissed about the whole thing. They feel that this tournament can spoil their efforts to arrange a "true" WC with enough added money.

IF there is a full field, and all players pay the fee of +500 USD, added money is still just around 10.000 USD.

Entry fee in a world championship would be 0 - with maybe 100.000 added money.
 
pooladdict said:
This is not a World Championship, and WPA is pissed about the whole thing. They feel that this tournament can spoil their efforts to arrange a "true" WC with enough added money.

IF there is a full field, and all players pay the fee of +500 USD, added money is still just around 10.000 USD.

Entry fee in a world championship would be 0 - with maybe 100.000 added money.
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Could you go into any of the details of "their efforts"?
 
Joe_Jaguar said:
Could you go into any of the details of "their efforts"?
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WPA sent out a letter about the tournament:

"28 October 2014

To all WPA Continental Members & National Federations

Dear All

Women’s World 10-Ball

Perhaps you have seen or heard of the above event that is being conducted December 16 – 21 by Dragon promotions (DP).

I want to use this opportunity to confirm to you that this event has nothing whatsoever to do with the WPA, and furthermore, despite the event’s misleading title, it is not a world championship and players receive no official recognition for their performance.

You may also see that the Women’s Professional Billiards Association (WPBA) in the USA has sanctioned the event, but it still has no bearing of any official recognition. This is an unfortunate decision that the WPBA has taken, and they have been asked to reconsider the matter and urged to withdraw their support until the title of the event has been changed.

An interesting part the official invitation from DP reads;

“Dear Professional Player

You have been selected to represent your country as one of 48 invited players in the 2014 Women’s World 10-Ball which will ……” My questions are something you should also ask yourself: a) Who selected the player?

b) Did DP ask permission from any of you to have that player representing your country?

The naming of this event as the “Women’s World 10-Ball” is nothing other than skullduggery, pretending to be something that it’s not. I have had a number of inquiries from players asking if it’s the world championship. By involving itself in this sort of trickery demonstrates the real concern that the promoters have for the players, or indeed the sport.

To even suggest it resembles anything like a world championship, you need to look no further than the prize money being offered. Total prize money advertised is (US) $43,440. Only sixteen players of the sixty-four participants will receive prize money. There is a hefty entry fee of $520, and when you multiply that by 64, it gives you $33,280. This means that DP is actually offering only $10,160 of added money.

Does that sound like a worthy world championship? Further to this, there is no explanation of what happens if the tournament doesn’t attract the sixty-four players it wants. Will there be a reduction of $520 for every player short of the sixty-four mark?

To further explain our outrage of what has been proposed by DP. As you may recall, DP did organize our 10-Ball World Championship for a five-year period, which expired in 2013. DP indicated earlier this year that they would like the opportunity to continue the event for a further extended period.

Unfortunately DP could not raise the minimum funds we required for a world championship event, even though they kept delaying the completion of a contract saying they were confident to raise the little more money they needed before actually signing. By the time they said no, it was then too late to get any replacement. We were asking for a minimum of $100,000 added money, bit different to the $10,160 now being offered.

Our World 9-Ball Championship for women offers $150,000 prize money and has no entry fee. Ideally we would expect this as a minimum requirement for any future women’s World 10-Ball Championship. We are currently speaking with three interested parties to stage the 2015 event, and if successful, the event will offer no less than $150,000, and perhaps as high as $200,000.

Therefore we are urging you not to support this event, and to ask your players not to support it also. Without players you cannot have an event, and having this one under the nominated banner “Women’s World 10-Ball” has the potential to do serious and harmful damage to our sport and blacken it’s future prospects. We trust your players will see wisdom in our recommendation.

The WPA Board will discuss the matter of whether sanctions will apply if players decide to support such an event. We do not want to bring about sanctions against players, we know they want to play in as many events as possible, but sometimes it is much more in their better interests to avoid something than to be part of it. In this case, they should refuse to play unless the name of the event is changed.

We are not against DP or anyone else holding an event, but we are totally against anything that looks to be a sham.

Yours sincerely

Ian Anderson

WPA President cc. WPA Board of Directors"
 
pooladdict said:
WPA sent out a letter about the tournament:

"28 October 2014

To all WPA Continental Members & National Federations

Dear All

Women’s World 10-Ball

Perhaps you have seen or heard of the above event that is being conducted December 16 – 21 by Dragon promotions (DP).

I want to use this opportunity to confirm to you that this event has nothing whatsoever to do with the WPA, and furthermore, despite the event’s misleading title, it is not a world championship and players receive no official recognition for their performance.

You may also see that the Women’s Professional Billiards Association (WPBA) in the USA has sanctioned the event, but it still has no bearing of any official recognition. This is an unfortunate decision that the WPBA has taken, and they have been asked to reconsider the matter and urged to withdraw their support until the title of the event has been changed.

An interesting part the official invitation from DP reads;

“Dear Professional Player

You have been selected to represent your country as one of 48 invited players in the 2014 Women’s World 10-Ball which will ……” My questions are something you should also ask yourself: a) Who selected the player?

b) Did DP ask permission from any of you to have that player representing your country?

The naming of this event as the “Women’s World 10-Ball” is nothing other than skullduggery, pretending to be something that it’s not. I have had a number of inquiries from players asking if it’s the world championship. By involving itself in this sort of trickery demonstrates the real concern that the promoters have for the players, or indeed the sport.

To even suggest it resembles anything like a world championship, you need to look no further than the prize money being offered. Total prize money advertised is (US) $43,440. Only sixteen players of the sixty-four participants will receive prize money. There is a hefty entry fee of $520, and when you multiply that by 64, it gives you $33,280. This means that DP is actually offering only $10,160 of added money.

Does that sound like a worthy world championship? Further to this, there is no explanation of what happens if the tournament doesn’t attract the sixty-four players it wants. Will there be a reduction of $520 for every player short of the sixty-four mark?

To further explain our outrage of what has been proposed by DP. As you may recall, DP did organize our 10-Ball World Championship for a five-year period, which expired in 2013. DP indicated earlier this year that they would like the opportunity to continue the event for a further extended period.

Unfortunately DP could not raise the minimum funds we required for a world championship event, even though they kept delaying the completion of a contract saying they were confident to raise the little more money they needed before actually signing. By the time they said no, it was then too late to get any replacement. We were asking for a minimum of $100,000 added money, bit different to the $10,160 now being offered.

Our World 9-Ball Championship for women offers $150,000 prize money and has no entry fee. Ideally we would expect this as a minimum requirement for any future women’s World 10-Ball Championship. We are currently speaking with three interested parties to stage the 2015 event, and if successful, the event will offer no less than $150,000, and perhaps as high as $200,000.

Therefore we are urging you not to support this event, and to ask your players not to support it also. Without players you cannot have an event, and having this one under the nominated banner “Women’s World 10-Ball” has the potential to do serious and harmful damage to our sport and blacken it’s future prospects. We trust your players will see wisdom in our recommendation.

The WPA Board will discuss the matter of whether sanctions will apply if players decide to support such an event. We do not want to bring about sanctions against players, we know they want to play in as many events as possible, but sometimes it is much more in their better interests to avoid something than to be part of it. In this case, they should refuse to play unless the name of the event is changed.

We are not against DP or anyone else holding an event, but we are totally against anything that looks to be a sham.

Yours sincerely

Ian Anderson

WPA President cc. WPA Board of Directors"
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Ian makes a pretty good case here. I'd like to see the event go forward, but perhaps a name change is in order if that's all it takes. How about the United States Women's Ten Ball Championship? Or Women's USA Ten Ball Championship. That's not so bad.
 
pooladdict said:
WPA sent out a letter about the tournament:

"28 October 2014

To all WPA Continental Members & National Federations

Dear All

Women’s World 10-Ball

Perhaps you have seen or heard of the above event that is being conducted December 16 – 21 by Dragon promotions (DP).

I want to use this opportunity to confirm to you that this event has nothing whatsoever to do with the WPA, and furthermore, despite the event’s misleading title, it is not a world championship and players receive no official recognition for their performance.

You may also see that the Women’s Professional Billiards Association (WPBA) in the USA has sanctioned the event, but it still has no bearing of any official recognition. This is an unfortunate decision that the WPBA has taken, and they have been asked to reconsider the matter and urged to withdraw their support until the title of the event has been changed.

An interesting part the official invitation from DP reads;

“Dear Professional Player

You have been selected to represent your country as one of 48 invited players in the 2014 Women’s World 10-Ball which will ……” My questions are something you should also ask yourself: a) Who selected the player?

b) Did DP ask permission from any of you to have that player representing your country?

The naming of this event as the “Women’s World 10-Ball” is nothing other than skullduggery, pretending to be something that it’s not. I have had a number of inquiries from players asking if it’s the world championship. By involving itself in this sort of trickery demonstrates the real concern that the promoters have for the players, or indeed the sport.

To even suggest it resembles anything like a world championship, you need to look no further than the prize money being offered. Total prize money advertised is (US) $43,440. Only sixteen players of the sixty-four participants will receive prize money. There is a hefty entry fee of $520, and when you multiply that by 64, it gives you $33,280. This means that DP is actually offering only $10,160 of added money.

Does that sound like a worthy world championship? Further to this, there is no explanation of what happens if the tournament doesn’t attract the sixty-four players it wants. Will there be a reduction of $520 for every player short of the sixty-four mark?

To further explain our outrage of what has been proposed by DP. As you may recall, DP did organize our 10-Ball World Championship for a five-year period, which expired in 2013. DP indicated earlier this year that they would like the opportunity to continue the event for a further extended period.

Unfortunately DP could not raise the minimum funds we required for a world championship event, even though they kept delaying the completion of a contract saying they were confident to raise the little more money they needed before actually signing. By the time they said no, it was then too late to get any replacement. We were asking for a minimum of $100,000 added money, bit different to the $10,160 now being offered.

Our World 9-Ball Championship for women offers $150,000 prize money and has no entry fee. Ideally we would expect this as a minimum requirement for any future women’s World 10-Ball Championship. We are currently speaking with three interested parties to stage the 2015 event, and if successful, the event will offer no less than $150,000, and perhaps as high as $200,000.

Therefore we are urging you not to support this event, and to ask your players not to support it also. Without players you cannot have an event, and having this one under the nominated banner “Women’s World 10-Ball” has the potential to do serious and harmful damage to our sport and blacken it’s future prospects. We trust your players will see wisdom in our recommendation.

The WPA Board will discuss the matter of whether sanctions will apply if players decide to support such an event. We do not want to bring about sanctions against players, we know they want to play in as many events as possible, but sometimes it is much more in their better interests to avoid something than to be part of it. In this case, they should refuse to play unless the name of the event is changed.

We are not against DP or anyone else holding an event, but we are totally against anything that looks to be a sham.

Yours sincerely

Ian Anderson

WPA President cc. WPA Board of Directors"
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Did they send out similar letters for his World straight Pool?
 
It's also interesting that the WPBA is sanctioning it and the WPA is urging them to WD it. The WPBA doesn't have a thing to offer players currently. I'd be surprised if the women paid any attention to the WD of sanctioning if it occurred and the WPBA's then position would not hold up in ANY court imo.
 
pooladdict said:
WPA sent out a letter about the tournament:

"28 October 2014

To all WPA Continental Members & National Federations

Dear All

Women’s World 10-Ball

Perhaps you have seen or heard of the above event that is being conducted December 16 – 21 by Dragon promotions (DP).

I want to use this opportunity to confirm to you that this event has nothing whatsoever to do with the WPA, and furthermore, despite the event’s misleading title, it is not a world championship and players receive no official recognition for their performance.

You may also see that the Women’s Professional Billiards Association (WPBA) in the USA has sanctioned the event, but it still has no bearing of any official recognition. This is an unfortunate decision that the WPBA has taken, and they have been asked to reconsider the matter and urged to withdraw their support until the title of the event has been changed.

An interesting part the official invitation from DP reads;

“Dear Professional Player

You have been selected to represent your country as one of 48 invited players in the 2014 Women’s World 10-Ball which will ……” My questions are something you should also ask yourself: a) Who selected the player?

b) Did DP ask permission from any of you to have that player representing your country?

The naming of this event as the “Women’s World 10-Ball” is nothing other than skullduggery, pretending to be something that it’s not. I have had a number of inquiries from players asking if it’s the world championship. By involving itself in this sort of trickery demonstrates the real concern that the promoters have for the players, or indeed the sport.

To even suggest it resembles anything like a world championship, you need to look no further than the prize money being offered. Total prize money advertised is (US) $43,440. Only sixteen players of the sixty-four participants will receive prize money. There is a hefty entry fee of $520, and when you multiply that by 64, it gives you $33,280. This means that DP is actually offering only $10,160 of added money.

Does that sound like a worthy world championship? Further to this, there is no explanation of what happens if the tournament doesn’t attract the sixty-four players it wants. Will there be a reduction of $520 for every player short of the sixty-four mark?

To further explain our outrage of what has been proposed by DP. As you may recall, DP did organize our 10-Ball World Championship for a five-year period, which expired in 2013. DP indicated earlier this year that they would like the opportunity to continue the event for a further extended period.

Unfortunately DP could not raise the minimum funds we required for a world championship event, even though they kept delaying the completion of a contract saying they were confident to raise the little more money they needed before actually signing. By the time they said no, it was then too late to get any replacement. We were asking for a minimum of $100,000 added money, bit different to the $10,160 now being offered.

Our World 9-Ball Championship for women offers $150,000 prize money and has no entry fee. Ideally we would expect this as a minimum requirement for any future women’s World 10-Ball Championship. We are currently speaking with three interested parties to stage the 2015 event, and if successful, the event will offer no less than $150,000, and perhaps as high as $200,000.

Therefore we are urging you not to support this event, and to ask your players not to support it also. Without players you cannot have an event, and having this one under the nominated banner “Women’s World 10-Ball” has the potential to do serious and harmful damage to our sport and blacken it’s future prospects. We trust your players will see wisdom in our recommendation.

The WPA Board will discuss the matter of whether sanctions will apply if players decide to support such an event. We do not want to bring about sanctions against players, we know they want to play in as many events as possible, but sometimes it is much more in their better interests to avoid something than to be part of it. In this case, they should refuse to play unless the name of the event is changed.

We are not against DP or anyone else holding an event, but we are totally against anything that looks to be a sham.

Yours sincerely

Ian Anderson

WPA President cc. WPA Board of Directors"
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Thanks for posting this.
 
pooladdict said:
WPA sent out a letter about the tournament:

"28 October 2014

To all WPA Continental Members & National Federations

Dear All

Women’s World 10-Ball

Perhaps you have seen or heard of the above event that is being conducted December 16 – 21 by Dragon promotions (DP).

I want to use this opportunity to confirm to you that this event has nothing whatsoever to do with the WPA, and furthermore, despite the event’s misleading title, it is not a world championship and players receive no official recognition for their performance.
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Thanks for info
IC Last year's event was WPA sanctioned and had ranking points so this year they had falling out. Similar to DP World 14.1 .
For a "World" championship it is disgraceful to
-add money only $10K
-have only 64 players when a field of 128 should be minimum even for Women's game
-players by invitation only and no qualifiers

Barry Behrman (BB) added $74K on entry fee of $750 for US Open. Prorating using entry fee of $520 that is about $50K added money but DP only offering a miserly $10K
Geez, BB comes across as a generous philanthropist in comparison LOL
Kudos to WPA for putting their foot down :thumbup:
:thumbup:
 
Nostroke said:
Did they send out similar letters for his World straight Pool?
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Not necessary. As you can see, WPA's concern is obstruction of its own efforts to stage World Championship events. As the WPA has shown no interest in putting together a WPA World 14.1 Championship of its own, there is no problem here. It should also be noted that Dragon's World 14.1 event was WPA sanctioned in its early years, but the name was not changed when the sanctioning was lost.
 
jay helfert said:
Ian makes a pretty good case here. I'd like to see the event go forward, but perhaps a name change is in order if that's all it takes. How about the United States Women's Ten Ball Championship? Or Women's USA Ten Ball Championship. That's not so bad.
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It's not but perhaps not attractive to the Asian Ladies? He likes Asian ladies.

Borrow from the WWE- 'The Inter-Continental 10 Ball Championship'
 
sjm said:
Not necessary. As you can see, WPA's concern is obstruction of its own efforts to stage World Championship events. As the WPA has shown no interest in putting together a WPA World 14.1 Championship of its own, there is no problem here. It should also be noted that Dragon's World 14.1 event was WPA sanctioned in its early years, but the name was not changed when the sanctioning was lost.
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Well the CW 10B was sanctioned previously according to the WPA letter also but your first point makes sense though personally, if i were the WPA, i would look to protect the past and future on the SP WPC. It's not like they never did one. They did one this decade.
 
Women's ten ball

This is another Charlie Williams move-

Misleading the public and he knows EXACTLY what he is doing!

Just like the 72nd (or whatever the number is) world straight pool.

This is typical and I am glad to see the WPA try and let everyone know. All this does is confuse people and could handicap the WPA from getting a decent event.

I made a few posts when this happened before (straight pool) and many disagreed with me. Sorry folks but just going along with damages the integrity of the game.

Sometimes we get what we deserve - it's a real shame and I'm interested to see how the WPBA sanctioning works through this.

Mark griffin
 
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