Wood vs. Carbon Fiber cue ball squirt (with a twist)

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So there are many players that still love the feel of a solid maple playing shaft but all the manufacturers have been making hollowed out low deflection shafts due to the strength that carbon fiber brings. Has anyone tried or even have a guess at how a solid carbon fiber shaft would feel or how much deflection it would have compared to a solid maple shaft?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this.
 
It would be stiffest and densest shaft ever. The deflection would be astronomical due to the fact the carbon fiber would be more dense than wood and therefore contain more mass. It might make one hell of a break shaft.
 
Carbon Fiber Composite is more than twice as dense as maple. That’s not good.

A solid carbon fiber shaft would badly throw off the weight/balance of a cue. That weight difference would dominate the rest of the discussion.

More weight at the tip means more deflection. Solid carbon fiber at the tip is just a big weight (more than 2x the weight of maple). Deflection would be high vs maple.

Solid carbon fiber would be a lot stronger in a totally useless way. A solid carbon fiber shaft would be a much more effective pry bar than a maple shaft. Useful feature, that.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Carbon fiber’s about 3 times the density of maple. You’d have to aim at the next table over.

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...Maybe use a 2 inch bridge to get the tip at ball level...

Enlighten me. Low mass can't bully the white ball but CF is stiff like pipe so where does the discrepency go?
 
fishblade2 said:
So there are many players that still love the feel of a solid maple playing shaft but all the manufacturers have been making hollowed out low deflection shafts due to the strength that carbon fiber brings. Has anyone tried or even have a guess at how a solid carbon fiber shaft would feel or how much deflection it would have compared to a solid maple shaft?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this.
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The main question is what one tries to achieve with solid cf shaft?
If one likes the feel of a solid maple shaft ... is used to certain deflection it has and it works best for him why bother what is out there?
If somebody looks for a minimal deflection in a shaft there are just enough options to choose from either among wooden LD-shafts or cf offered nowadays.
It would be much more useful to look into other aspects of the game where there is much more space, need and so on for an improvement than when it comes to a cue shaft....
 
Thank you all for the replies. I asked this as I’m searching for a way to have my Russian pyramid cue shaft made of carbon fiber that isn’t low deflection that I could get close to matching my cue ball squirt in pool. I’m currently attempting to see if go customs could make one for me either hollowed out less or a smaller diameter with solid. I’m more in the planning phase. And just for any out there wondering the solid maple shafts with large ferrules don’t push the Russian Pyramid balls offline enough.
 
I played a few hours with a CF shaft........... the CF shaft does not flex when you use side spin..........you get more side spin but the cue ball is deflected much more than with a maple shaft.............. there is no advantage of using one................ you must learn how it works and you will be able to shoot the same as with a maple shaft................... and I don't believe there is such a thing as a low deflection CF shaft...........

Kim
 
whammo57 said:
I played a few hours with a CF shaft........... the CF shaft does not flex when you use side spin..........you get more side spin but the cue ball is deflected much more than with a maple shaft.............. there is no advantage of using one................ you must learn how it works and you will be able to shoot the same as with a maple shaft................... and I don't believe there is such a thing as a low deflection CF shaft...........

Kim
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HUH??????? I've tried about six and all were lower deflection than standard maple. You can have low end-mass and stiffness. The shaft with lower front end mass gets out of the way even if its stiff.
 
BTW, i got to try the new 11.8 Revo the other day. I must say i'm not a fan of the size or the taper but this thing was about a close to no deflection as any shaft i've yet tried.
 
garczar said:
BTW, i got to try the new 11.8 Revo the other day. I must say i'm not a fan of the size or the taper but this thing was about a close to no deflection as any shaft i've yet tried.
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Did you measure the pivot point? I wonder how it compares to my 9.5mm hollowpoint straight taper maple shaft (PP=~20").

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Patrick Johnson said:
Stiffness doesn't affect squirt. Only endmass.

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Exactly. That's one the major benefits of using cf, bringing down the end mass and retaining stiffness. The shaft i've spent most test time with was a 12.9 Revo. I could just aim and shoot with little or no adjustment for squirt. Hitting shots with inside, usually a TOUGH deal for me, was almost easy. The smaller diameters are even better but i'm just not a small shaft, conical taper guy.
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
Did you measure the pivot point? I wonder how it compares to my 9.5mm hollowpoint straight taper maple shaft (PP=~20").

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No i didn't. I was shooting long (7ft+) shots with varying degrees of inside and made a bunch of them. I'd guess its pp wasn't as long as what you use. I've never measured a cue for that. I just play with one til it starts working.
 
okay so does anyone know what I could purchase for shaft wise that would increase my end mass thus increase cue ball squirt past a solid maple 13mm shaft with a 1 inch white ferrule?

Thanks,

Talmadge
 
fishblade2 said:
okay so does anyone know what I could purchase for shaft wise that would increase my end mass thus increase cue ball squirt past a solid maple 13mm shaft with a 1 inch white ferrule?

Thanks,

Talmadge
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Why would you want more squirt? That's like wishing for more crosswind shooting arrows.

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Because again I'm trying to match the deflection I have with my pool I have a Russian Pyramid set which is a much larger and heavier ball set that not even a solid maple shaft at 13 mm with 1 inch white ferrule can deflect them enough to match my cuetec cynergy shaft on my playing cue. I need something that increases more end mass.
 
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