Why would you want more defl??
Wood vs. Carbon Fiber cue ball squirt (with a twist)
- Thread starter fishblade2
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Do you play with the Russian Pyramid balls on a regular pool table? Seems like the balls would act funny off the lower rails...
pj <- not haha funny
chgo
Well I'm from the country where piramid is the major billiard game. So I do know something), play, teach in this game too because there is more interest to it here. For this game I do have a piramid cue with traditional spliced construction.
So as I enjoy playing pool more ... I do have my own preferences and cues when it comes to this game...
A few times I had some fun with pals playing "pool" using pool balls on 12ft piramid table with those pockets ... but it was never the other way around). Nevermind...
Good luck with whatever you're looking for).
Do you normally use a 20 inch bridge?
No, more like 8-10". But I don't pivot to adjust for squirt - I place the cue already angled by feel, which is easier with less squirt.
pj
chgo
Thank you... that really makes sense.
That depends on the stroke and grip dunnitt? Irresistible force/immovable object...
Stroke can be a part of compensating for squirt. Grip has nothing to do with it. I have no idea what irresistible force/immovable object you're talking about.
pj
chgo
Grip has nothing to do with VP
Grip can offer lateral resistance to the ball deflection. Then there's still that virtual pipe of a shaft trying to get through the ball. Looks like extensive collisionary conflict to me. ECC uh... TMWhere does the deflection go?
I think if "lateral resistance to the ball deflection" was a thing it would do the opposite of what you imagine. And I don't think the grip could do it from 4 feet away anyway.
pj
chgo
Not a cue maker...
If you want a carbon fiber shaft with the squirt of a solid maple shaft, how about having your cue maker fill the front end of it with a wood less dense than maple, such as balsa.
-or-
Predator now offers Revo shafts for carom players. They have a version of it that they call Revo 3C-S, which is regular squirt, so carom players won't have to make any adjustments compared to their traditional wood shafts. I bet that shaft would work great for pyramid, as the carom balls and pyramid balls are closer in size than pool balls. You can buy this shaft today, without any fiddling by a cue maker to make a custom one for you. Link below.
www.predatorcues.com
If you want a carbon fiber shaft with the squirt of a solid maple shaft, how about having your cue maker fill the front end of it with a wood less dense than maple, such as balsa.
-or-
Predator now offers Revo shafts for carom players. They have a version of it that they call Revo 3C-S, which is regular squirt, so carom players won't have to make any adjustments compared to their traditional wood shafts. I bet that shaft would work great for pyramid, as the carom balls and pyramid balls are closer in size than pool balls. You can buy this shaft today, without any fiddling by a cue maker to make a custom one for you. Link below.
Predator REVO 3C-S Standard Deflection Carbon Fiber Carom Shaft
www.predatorcues.com
LACthe3rd
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Does that mean you want a high deflection shaft?
LACthe3rd
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That's not entirely true. End mass has the dominant effect on deflection but stiffness also creates deflection as well. Read this if you're interested
Shaft Endmass and Stiffness Effects - Dr. Dave Pool Info
Answers to frequently-asked questions about the effects of shaft endmass and stiffness on squirt in pool and billiards.
billiards.colostate.edu
First they tried laminating...that didnt work, then they tried carbon fiber...that worked a lot better but wasnt the cure. Everything at a certain dimension will curve even if its ever so slightly. Everyone knows why points were added to cues, to keep them straight. If carbon fiber was light years better than wood, no company would make a wood shaft anymore. Its like paying $1 / rnd for 45 ACP ammunition. There is NO magic pill and there is NO magic shaft that will turn an APA 5 into a Turning Stone champion. Everyone plays better for a while with new equipment but until all the best players in the world are playing with CF...save your money 
Speaking of deflection, negligible parry. Holding the cue steady with a stiff shaft will push the ball out the way.
Technically, yes, but not to a degree that needs mentioning.That's not entirely true. End mass has the dominant effect on deflection but stiffness also creates deflection as well. Read this if you're interested
Shaft Endmass and Stiffness Effects - Dr. Dave Pool Info
Answers to frequently-asked questions about the effects of shaft endmass and stiffness on squirt in pool and billiards.
From that article: “...it is endmass (not shaft stiffness) that is almost entirely responsible for squirt.”
pj
chgo
Stiff shaft plus grip holding it online - will displace the ball.
A stiff wood shaft has a lot of mass up front unless you really hollow it or reduce diameter a lot. With cf you don't have those issues. Pretty much do anything you want.That's not entirely true. End mass has the dominant effect on deflection but stiffness also creates deflection as well. Read this if you're interested
Shaft Endmass and Stiffness Effects - Dr. Dave Pool Info
Answers to frequently-asked questions about the effects of shaft endmass and stiffness on squirt in pool and billiards.
FYI, stiffness does have an indirect effect on "endmass." Stiffness also has a small direct effect on squirt. But you are right ... the dominant factor controlling squirt is "endmass." For those interested, complete info can be found here:
what causes squirt?
endmass and stiffness effects
low-squirt (low-deflection, LD) shafts
Enjoy!