Working on my first Handle Joined Cue...Help!!

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Hi Guys,

I finally decided to work on a handle joined cue. Over the pass months, I had a few chance to replace leather wrap for some of the locals with really nice playing cues. I re-wrap mottey, scurggs and a few of my high end cues.

Anyhow, I noticed that on the mottey cue he used a brown linen phenolic to join the handle to the short splice forearm. Can some explain to me how this phenolic join work? I kinda figure out that phenolic was used so that the handle joint wouldn't warped as the pin sit on the phenolic..similar to what predator is doing now on their joint collar. But how should this phenolic piece be installed? Threaded vs slipped on? Is the handle just join by a 3/8-10 pin or is it just slip on with no pin?

Thanks.
Duc.
 
Must be the "buzz ring".
How long is it?
3/8 10 or 16 I think.
Buy Chris Hightower's book.
 
Hi Joey,

I don't think it's just a buzz ring...(phenolic is .75") I'm more curious how it's installed.

Its seem the way Mottey installed this give in a better hit than most other cues without it. I'm curious to know how it's installed and whether there are any cuebuilders that uses this techniques as I see them in most of the good playing cues. I believe scrugg and southwest uses this similar technique.

Regards,
Duc.
 
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I've seen it on another cue .
3 inches long.
I think it was just sleeved on with 3/4 ID.
Then the forearm probably had a 5/8 short tenon then the connecting screw.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Joey,

I don't think it's just a buzz ring...(phenolic is .75") I'm more curious how it's installed.

Its seem the way Mottey installed this give in a better hit than most other cues without it. I'm curious to know how it's installed and whether there are any cuebuilders that uses this techniques as I see them in most of the good playing cues. I believe scrugg and southwest uses this similar technique.

Regards,
Duc.
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Look at dz cues web site: http://www.dzcues.com/a_joint.htm

He uses a similar technique but in this case he is using deco-rings. The same type joint could be utilized by using a longer piece of phenolic instead of the deco-rings.

Dick
 
Hi Dick,

I don't think it's just buzz ring...that I know how to install. I think the one that mottey and scruggs used goes into the prong and the pin actually sit on the phenolic as suppose to the wood. Doing this way will stabilize the joint and thus given a more solid hit as I think the phenolic also helps reduce the vibration like the buzz ring but it more solid than a buzz ring. I may just slide it in like a non threaded ferrule, tap, and join using a 3/8-10 aluminum pin. I'm sure there more to it than that but hey's it's why they call it a trade secret.

Thanks,
Duc.
 
To learn the true secrets of master builders, you'll need to do as many before you have...hacksaw & xray.;) :D
You have no idea how many Joey Bautista cues I've chopped into firewood...why else do you think my cues hit so well.:)
 
I'm slowly starting to realize that cue building is more try and error than anything else. Each builder is unique and the process of cue building is very personalized. Althought, learning curve can be cut shorter if you can learn from others mistake. :) Btw, here's my first jump break!! Doesn't break as good as yours James White conversion but hey...I still like mine better (curly forearm and shaft)...LOL. Used a picone jumpbreak tips...cut clean and easy to install. I had a phenolic insert at the jump break section with 3/8-10 pin. Using a full splice as a jump break is solid!!

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We have become a nation of nit-picking idiots. I present the disclaimer on Bob's website as evidence.....
There has been some confusion concerning this page. Several people have failed to comprehend that this is not the only way I assemble the "A" joint. It is only one of several ways I use. And I do not claim credit for coming up with this concept. This method has been and continues to be used by many of the top cuemakers both living & dead. I happen to be one of the few who publicize it in detail. This is a method of utilizing a "buzz ring" that also serves as a fancy trim ring.
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I think I can guess the type of replies he got to make him have to add that.....
Is it just me, or do the great unwashed masses seem to be dumber than usual these days?
 
Varney Cues said:
To learn the true secrets of master builders, you'll need to do as many before you have...hacksaw & xray.;) :D
You have no idea how many Joey Bautista cues I've chopped into firewood...why else do you think my cues hit so well.:)
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DAMN!
Just send me micarta blocks.
I'll show you how to thread bamboo for A-joint studs.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Dick,

I don't think it's just buzz ring...that I know how to install. I think the one that mottey and scruggs used goes into the prong and the pin actually sit on the phenolic as suppose to the wood. Doing this way will stabilize the joint and thus given a more solid hit as I think the phenolic also helps reduce the vibration like the buzz ring but it more solid than a buzz ring. I may just slide it in like a non threaded ferrule, tap, and join using a 3/8-10 aluminum pin. I'm sure there more to it than that but hey's it's why they call it a trade secret.

Thanks,
Duc.
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You think it's a T shaped ring threaded down to the handle?
Bandsaw it.:D
 
Hey Kevin,

I was telling him he was nutz..but hey he wanted the best. I've played, break and jumped with the white..you did a great job on it. Hmm...maybe when my amboyna full splice is ready, I have you do one for me as well :).

Duc.
 
That's some crazy a$$ cues being put under the knife. :)

You've got to have the balls to do it. The person who owns the cue gotta have some balls as well. :rolleyes:

Later on, will we see some Pool Cue Cosmetic Surgeons? :D
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hey Kevin,

I was telling him he was nutz..but hey he wanted the best. I've played, break and jumped with the white..you did a great job on it. Hmm...maybe when my amboyna full splice is ready, I have you do one for me as well :).

Duc.
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Turning a White to a break jumper ain't a smart thing to do imo.
So you just made a very good cue to b/j which you can easily make out of a house cue?
If you believed I have Burton Spain break jumper, I have a bridge to sell you.:D
 
JoeyInCali said:
Turning a White to a break jumper ain't a smart thing to do imo.
So you just made a very good cue to b/j which you can easily make out of a house cue?
If you believed I have Burton Spain break jumper, I have a bridge to sell you.:D
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Joey, as many old Spains as I've seen that have warped there, I wouldn't doubt your statement in the least. :)
 
cueaddicts said:
Joey, as many old Spains as I've seen that have warped there, I wouldn't doubt your statement in the least. :)
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I didn't know that.
If the Spain was fat enough, at least one should try to salvage it into a playing cue.:)
 
JoeyInCali said:
DAMN!
Just send me micarta blocks.
I'll show you how to thread bamboo for A-joint studs.
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dang it :rolleyes: , joey! Quit giving away the trade secrets. :p

seriously, I've entertained using bamboo for the butt on a jump cue. (just watch, somebody will start selling them...lol) :eek:
 
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