WORLD 10 BALL CHAMPIONSHIP (6-10 Sep 2021), Las Vegas, 9ft, Winner $35K

gxman

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Carlo Biado and Klenti Kaci played an action ten ball race to 21 at Steinway Billiards in what I believe was 2019. Kaci ran out to a huge lead (10-1, I think), but Biado stormed back for what I believe was a 21-18 victory. Hence, as you suggest, Kaci vs Biado would be a great match.

I'm not so sure that Kaci is ready for Shane quite yet.
I remember that now. Shortly after, Kaci was doing a Q&A while commentating, pretty much said he was game to play anyone.
 

Cezar Morales

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I remember that now. Shortly after, Kaci was doing a Q&A while commentating, pretty much said he was game to play anyone.
Thats whad they all say lol
But whether do they match up for some serious cash is a different story .
Kaci is a smart guy , doubt he likes gambling his own cash with Mr Shane money boening with the exception of a backer.
But again with a backer, everyone wldnt mind matching with everyone :)
 

jay helfert

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It's here where we disagree, Jay, although I agree that this is what many of the true diehard pool fans want to see.

I believe that what draws us to sports is the chance to see people playing the same games that we played growing up, but at the highest possible skill level. At least for the American fans, we've all tried baseball, basketball and football, and most of us have tried golf and tennis at some point. Few of us have tried hockey, which is why the NHL will never be as big in America as MLB, NFL, NBA, pro golf or pro tennis.

In the case of baseball, football, basketball, tennis and golf, the pros play the same game we've all played but at a higher level of skill --- we already know the basic terminology, the rules and the strategy and we all know how difficult the games are. When it comes to rotation games at pool, only a few know ten ball and its newfangled set of rules. I've met countless nine ball players who have never even heard of ten ball.

The theory that pool fans can be drawn in to a new pool game just because it is a great test of skill, from my point of view, was disproven by the Bonus Ball experiment. All of us who watched Bonus Ball respected it as an interesting game requiring extraordinary skills, and some, quite accurately, suggested that Bonus Ball combined rotation game skills with straight pool skills. On the other hand, Chinese eight ball has given the world a game with which it is already very familiar, and the Chinese eight ball experiment must be viewed as a success.

Unfortunately, what I've seen is that if you give people a game they don't know, getting a large fan base to tune in will be a long and difficult struggle.

All that said, this is a matter of opinion, and it would be nice if you were right and the potential future fans can be taught to love ten ball.

Finally, it's never that easy for me to have an online debate with AZB's very best poster, but I'm glad we're able to debate in a tone of mutual respect.
Thank you Stu. In my opinion, 9-Ball has not caught on with the general public because it appears too easy MOST of the time. Yes, there are games where safety play becomes important, but they may be the exception rather than the rule. In Ten Ball it is just the opposite, where most games have a degree of strategy involved at some point during the play. I think you might agree that more interesting and challenging situations come up more frequently in Ten Ball. Other than in the MC 9-Ball just hasn't captured the imagination of the public. I like that Predator (and others) are giving Ten Ball a chance to be seen being played by the very best pool players. No question in my mind that this is more a test of their skills. Will more people get interested after seeing some of these matches, that remains to be seen.

In my mind the only thing that is really holding back our sport is the lack of money to put on a cohesive pool tour that had regular airings on a specific network for a period of time. I still believe that if pool was put in front of people on a regular basis and on a major network, there would be an audience for it. Even decades ago, the Caesar's Tahoe, Palace and Boardwalk pool tournaments which were shown on ESPN got ratings equivalent to college football, over one million viewers for each show. Yes, it was 9-Ball :) . Maybe the combined efforts of Matchroom and Predator will change all that. I'm hopeful.
 

sjm

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Thank you Stu. In my opinion, 9-Ball has not caught on with the general public because it appears too easy MOST of the time. Yes, there are games where safety play becomes important, but they may be the exception rather than the rule. In Ten Ball it is just the opposite, where most games have a degree of strategy involved at some point during the play. I think you might agree that more interesting and challenging situations come up more frequently in Ten Ball. Other than in the MC 9-Ball just hasn't captured the imagination of the public. I like that Predator (and others) are giving Ten Ball a chance to be seen being played by the very best pool players. No question in my mind that this is more a test of their skills. Will more people get interested after seeing some of these matches, that remains to be seen.

In my mind the only thing that is really holding back our sport is the lack of money to put on a cohesive pool tour that had regular airings on a specific network for a period of time. I still believe that if pool was put in front of people on a regular basis and on a major network, there would be an audience for it. Even decades ago, the Caesar's Tahoe, Palace and Boardwalk pool tournaments which were shown on ESPN got ratings equivalent to college football, over one million viewers for each show. Yes, it was 9-Ball :) . Maybe the combined efforts of Matchroom and Predator will change all that. I'm hopeful.
I have never agreed with those who suggest nine ball has become too easy, although it can be in a rack your own format when the pockets are loose. When referees rack the balls without a template and the pocket size befits elite players, I'll take nine ball over ten ball all day long, although I agree that ten ball as played today is a stiffer test.

That said, Jay, I'm not sure which game we prefer even matters. I think we're of exactly the same mind as far as the need to have a good balance between offense and defense in pro pool if we are to ever attract the mainstream fans. You can count me among the many that are put to sleep by breaking contests. I think snooker has just the right blend of offense and defense. A fight for control of the table usually precedes the offensive wizardry that snooker players so often produce, and it has certainly drawn me in as a fan who will watch the biggest snooker events on stream.

As far as TV coverage, the Catch-22 for me is "how can pool ever get coverage on a major network given the size and demographics of its current fan base?" I know the numbers and the case history with ESPN, too, but the demographic that pool always drew was older and lower income than the consumers marketing concerns try to reach. It's a very different demographic than what is drawn by a college football telecast, and that's why college football on ESPN has always attracted so many mainstream advertisers and pool could not. I'm of the opinion that if pool is to grow as a spectator sport, it must learn to draw a different kind of viewer than it has in the past.

Like you, I applaud the efforts of Predator, which has given so much to our sport for so long, and is stepping up to the plate once again to support the pro game. Predator and Matchroom are very positive influences in our sport and many of our hopes lie in their efforts. I just hope the pro players are smart enough to support them to the max, and I'm not sure they are all doing so quite yet.
 

Paul Schofield

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In my mind the only thing that is really holding back our sport is the lack of money.
With respect for all that has been opinionated on this matter, I would like to offer a different perspective:

For a sport to be captivating, an interesting human dynamic is a requirement. It really does not matter what game is played, currently, all of our games are sterile, making pool dry and boring to the viewer.

I will make my point: Is there ever a good reason or is there even a need for two players to talk to each other, to make a decision on anything, in order for a game to proceed?
 
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jay helfert

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With respect for all that has been opinionated on this matter, I would like to offer a different perspective:

For a sport to be captivating, an interesting human dynamic is a requirement. It really does not matter what game is played, currently, all of our games are sterile, making pool dry and boring to the viewer.

I will make my point: Is there ever a good reason or is there even a need for two players to talk to each other, to make a decision on anything, in order for a game to proceed?
You could say the same thing about golf or tennis with regard to conversation between the players. Hasn't seemed to hurt them too much.

Now, if you say we need to create some players as the "stars" of our sport, I tend to agree with that. The star players are the ones who attract fans to nearly every sport. Look at how well they are publicized by the teams they play for. What would Tampa Bay be without Tom Brady, Mahonnes to Kansas City or the Lakers without Lebron. In tennis we have Djokovic and in golf there will always be Tiger and Phil. The stars drive the sport forward.
 
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Paul Schofield

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You could say the same thing about golf or tennis with regard to conversation between the players. Hasn't seemed to hurt them too much.
I think my point is missed here. When I speak of "human dynamic", I am talking about all interactions, mostly physical, conversation being the smallest part. Pool has no physical dynamic therefore limiting possibilities to the verbal of which pool has none again.

I don't purport to have an answer. I do believe that the structure of our sport can evolve to have an interesting and captivating human dynamic. It desperately needs it.
 
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