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gopi-1 said:
The law of the land (Philippines) says that when it comes to pro events, like pool or boxing, the prize fund should be put on escrow. There was a precedent back in '97 when a Filipino world boxing champion was air barreled by the promoter for $300,000, that's when the governing body (GAB-Games and Amusement Board) who's in charge of such matters, decided that all prize/prizes should be put on escrow before the event takes place to protect pro athletes from these shrewd, nondescript, scrupulous promoters/organizers JB...

Well there you go then. If that's the law of the land then the money is either in escrow or your own Games and Amusements board has failed to do it's job.
 
JB Cases said:
Well there you go then. If that's the law of the land then the money is either in escrow or your own Games and Amusements board has failed to do it's job.

My understanding is that an escrow BOND amounting to the prize money is required. One can purchase this inexpensive bond from any insurance agent.

So if the obligations aren't met, claims are filed to produce the prize money.

Better than nothing at all. If the GAB did not enforce this escrow bond with WTB, then it had failed to do its job.
 
sputnik said:
My understanding is that an escrow BOND amounting to the prize money is required. One can purchase this inexpensive bond from any insurance agent.

So if the obligations aren't met, claims are filed to produce the prize money.

Better than nothing at all. If the GAB did not enforce this escrow bond with WTB, then it had failed to do its job.

..you mean it's powerless..or gutless??
 
arian dacongan said:
..you mean it's powerless..or gutless??
Or they may have been shown the PAGCOR/DOT contract that proves that there's money coming. When it's coming and if the amount stated is what's coming are the other questions that need answered.

Before anyone asks, "if there's a contractually stated amount then why is there a need to question if the amount coming will be anything else but?

Somebody always acts as facilitator to these corporate sponsorship funding and he/she/they get 15% as commision. Aside from that deduction, advances from previous undertakings need to be satisfied. Also, if agreed upon media values are discovered deficient then a commensurate percentage is deducted from contracted amount.

This of course is what was explained to me and I do find it a logical and fair arrangement.
 
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All of the above explanation would have been uneccesary had they agreed to our request to have the Prize Money (cash) in escrow.

Another thing that's odd is that we here in the Philippine Pool Community got so used to being bombarded by Text Messaging from Mr. Sebastian Chua and co regarding pool related items, issues, hate messages against certain personalities or group and news trumpheting their achievement. Somehow I've never received one concerning the upcoming pay-out date! How odd is that?! Please tell us what you know about the prize money pay-out Mr. Chua!
 
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sputnik said:
My understanding is that an escrow BOND amounting to the prize money is required. One can purchase this inexpensive bond from any insurance agent.

So if the obligations aren't met, claims are filed to produce the prize money.

Better than nothing at all. If the GAB did not enforce this escrow bond with WTB, then it had failed to do its job.

Well it seems to me that if this is the law then it's up to the courts to decide the matter if it comes to that.

I have no dog in this hunt. However as an outside observer it seems a bit premature to have all this speculation (call it mud-slinging) prior to the date the organizers stated that they would begin payments. I am sure that IF the organizers pays everyone as they should then the mud-slingers will say he achieved a last-minute rescue and say that it was their "public" (if AZ Billiards can be said to have influence) pressure that accomplished it. If the organizer fails to pay then the mud-slingers will stand up and say that they were right all along.

From what I gather Philippine politics seems to be pretty cutthroat with little regard for the law. Even at that however it would seem to me that with reports of Senate investigations taking place Yen Makebenta would be foolish to hold an event without adhering to the law governing bonded prize money.

It seems to me that he would know that this event (this year) was not going to make him money personally, not be a profit center for Raya Sports, and certainly would stand as a make-or-break event in light of all the other issues in play. So with all that in mind he would have to be suicidal to hold the event without the money in hand.

Maybe he is but somehow I doubt it. Thus I read all this speculating and mud-slinging with dismay as it further tears apart the billiard world with no reason. If this coming week we don't see that players are getting paid then go to town. Help your fellow pool players to pursue their rights to a payday. But until then - let it be.
 
bandido said:
All of the above explanation would have been uneccesary had they agreed to our request to have the Prize Money (cash) in escrow.

Another thing that's odd is that we here in the Philippine Pool Community got so used to being bombarded by Text Messaging from Mr. Sebastian Chua and co regarding pool related items, issues, hate messages against certain personalities or group and news trumpheting their achievement. Somehow I've never received one concerning the upcoming pay-out date! How odd is that?! Please tell us what you know about the prize money pay-out Mr. Chua!

,,beWARE EDWIN LEST YOU BE CHARGED AGAIN OF SABOTAGING YEN AND CO. BY 'WRITING' YOUR THOUGHTS HERE...

..IF WTB DID NOT HAPPEN, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE BLAMED YOU AS SOME OF THE "FOLKS" HERE IN AZB HAVE CHARGED YOU PRIOR TO THE TOUR..

..NOW THAT THE TOUR IS OVER.. AND THE ISSUE NOW IS THE PLAYERS PAYOFF... IF THIS THING GOES CAPUT( I HOPE NOT).. IT COULD BE VERY WELL YOUR FAULT EDWIN :wink: PER SOME "PIPS" HERE...

ON A SERIOUS NOTE.. WETHER YEN CAN PAY OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT NOW AS FAR AS YEN'S ABILITY TO CONDUCT FUTURE BIG EVENT.. HE'S DONE...
THEY MIGHT SAVE HIM BUT NO MORE NEXT TIME... BUT YEN AND CO. MAY VERY WELL BLAME YOU EDWIN.. AND LET ME BORROW ANITOKID 'S LINE .. AND I'M NOT KIDDING..

JUST CONTINUE TO MAKE A STAND AND HE WILL FALL..THAT IS MY HOPE FOR PHIL. POOL SAKE
 
bandido said:
Or they may have been shown the PAGCOR/DOT contract that proves that there's money coming. When it's coming and if the amount stated is what's coming are the other questions that need answered.

Before anyone asks, "if there's a contractually stated amount then why is there a need to question if the amount coming will be anything else but?

Somebody always acts as facilitator to these corporate sponsorship funding and he/she/they get 15% as commision. Aside from that deduction, advances from previous undertakings need to be satisfied. Also, if agreed upon media values are discovered deficient then a commensurate percentage is deducted from contracted amount.

This of course is what was explained to me and I do find it a logical and fair arrangement.


You mean like an agent? So a promoter needs a sponsor and there is always an agent in the middle getting a 15% cut? Sounds like a lucrative field to be in. Does this mean that someone in the Philippines is due to receive around $60,000 USD as their cut of securing the $400,000 prize money?

How does one measure a "media value"? I mean if the event is to receive x-amount of television coverage with sponsor logos prominently displayed and that is provided then isn't that what the sponsor paid for? Or is their some kind of response rate built in like are there more tourists flocking to the Philippines after watching this captivating event?

I have done a lot of sponsoring in the last 15 years. I don't know how it works in the PI but I have always sent the money/product before getting the promotion. I have never set a sliding scale based on perceived value of the promotion and didn't know that I could.

Just so I fully understand. You seek a sponsor. That goes through a broker who charges you 15% of whatever money they secure. Then the sponsor withhold the funds for 60-90 days until they determine that they have received the "media value" they were promised? Is this the way it works there?
 
arian dacongan said:
,,beWARE EDWIN LEST YOU BE CHARGED AGAIN OF SABOTAGING YEN AND CO. BY 'WRITING' YOUR THOUGHTS HERE...

..IF WTB DID NOT HAPPEN, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE BLAMED YOU AS SOME OF THE "FOLKS" HERE IN AZB HAVE CHARGED YOU PRIOR TO THE TOUR..

..NOW THAT THE TOUR IS OVER.. AND THE ISSUE NOW IS THE PLAYERS PAYOFF... IF THIS THING GOES CAPUT( I HOPE NOT).. IT COULD BE VERY WELL YOUR FAULT EDWIN :wink: PER SOME "PIPS" HERE...

ON A SERIOUS NOTE.. WETHER YEN CAN PAY OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT NOW AS FAR AS YEN'S ABILITY TO CONDUCT FUTURE BIG EVENT.. HE'S DONE...
THEY MIGHT SAVE HIM BUT NO MORE NEXT TIME... BUT YEN AND CO. MAY VERY WELL BLAME YOU EDWIN.. AND LET ME BORROW ANITOKID 'S LINE .. AND I'M NOT KIDDING..

JUST CONTINUE TO MAKE A STAND AND HE WILL FALL..THAT IS MY HOPE FOR PHIL. POOL SAKE

There is a big difference between exposing wrongdoing and speculative mud-slinging.

One discusses the events as they took place and exposes the wrongness of them.

The other pre-supposes wrongness and attempts to further defame prior to an event taking place.

The saying in physics goes that you cannot observe a thing without changing it.

We will never know what the WTC would have been without all the pre-event discussion. There is no doubt in my mind that all the fighting had an effect on it. Rebellion leads to change, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. But it's change nonetheless.

So if you want to take credit for fighting to change things for the good then also take credit for undermining the efforts of those you are fighting against. Because if their efforts are successful then it makes your fight much harder.

I am not saying Edwin is at fault for whatever Yen and Chua fail at. I understand that emotions are running high. But you are carrying on a flame war that is one sided. No one from Yen's "camp" is here to defend themselves so it's a little boring (just a little) to read the one sided attacks and speculations of failure.

I'd much rather read about the awesome events that BMPAP has planned so that I hopefully put them on my calendar to attend.

Here is a thought BMPAP - how about figuring out how to offer training clinics with your best players. Give us a vacation package that includes airfare, hotel, table time, and some sightseeing. I am sure that there are some folks in the world who would love to go to pool camp with Efren, Busti and co........
 
JB Cases said:
I am not saying Edwin is at fault for whatever Yen and Chua fail at. I understand that emotions are running high. But you are carrying on a flame war that is one sided. No one from Yen's "camp" is here to defend themselves so it's a little boring (just a little) to read the one sided attacks and speculations of failure.
Not exactly one sided since they do respond through their AzB Press Releases right on the front page of this site. They do too, in local newspaper press releases that can be viewed in the Newspapers' website. What you don't know s that I post as a reaction to what they initiate, be it a press release, a forum post or a text message that you all don't even see. Mr. Fajardo even asked Perry to please ask me to not post in forums. Perry's reply was that I just react to their text messaging and am the kind of person who don't take things sitting down. They need to stop text messaging all those propaganda and mudslinging and I'll probably stop. I did until they started again. See Ted Lerner's Blog.

JB Cases said:
I'd much rather read about the awesome events that BMPAP has planned so that I hopefully put them on my calendar to attend. What you may see me post here may look like I'm initiating yet in reality they are reactions to press releases here and text messages.

Here is a thought BMPAP - how about figuring out how to offer training clinics with your best players. Give us a vacation package that includes airfare, hotel, table time, and some sightseeing. I am sure that there are some folks in the world who would love to go to pool camp with Efren, Busti and co........
That is a great idea and I offer you to be a part of it since it was your idea. A Philippine version of the US's Pool Paradise.
 
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JB Cases said:
You mean like an agent? So a promoter needs a sponsor and there is always an agent in the middle getting a 15% cut? Sounds like a lucrative field to be in. Does this mean that someone in the Philippines is due to receive around $60,000 USD as their cut of securing the $400,000 prize money?
Possibly 15% of the total cost of the project (est. to be $850K) since this is a sponsor-driven event. Big corporations have cantracted Marketing Firms, if they don't have an in-house Marketing Dept, or may even have both. I'm sure now you'll ask "Who's stupid enough to embark on an $850K project without the local stars that have the following?" You can answer that too.

JB Cases said:
How does one measure a "media value"? I mean if the event is to receive x-amount of television coverage with sponsor logos prominently displayed and that is provided then isn't that what the sponsor paid for? Or is their some kind of response rate built in like are there more tourists flocking to the Philippines after watching this captivating event?

Airtime cost varies depending on who the carrier station is and the same way goes with print ads. So media values vary but these are stated in the contract thus their announcement of the TV airing times. Media values are detailed like # of spots (15sec, 30sec or 1 minute/spot) in a specific carrier TV Station, frequency and size of print ad on what dailies, radio spots length and frequency on what station, streamers and posters in specified locations, ad boards around the venue's TV table, size of the company logos (normally specified by the sponsor), are they going to flash your logo on-screen while the ref is racking, etc. So if any of those listed is missing or inadequately supplied then a little discussion and haggling ensues.

JB Cases said:
I have done a lot of sponsoring in the last 15 years. I don't know how it works in the PI but I have always sent the money/product before getting the promotion. I have never set a sliding scale based on perceived value of the promotion and didn't know that I could.
Corporate Participation is usually 50% upon contract signing then the balance after the event. That "after the event" is after contracted media values are reviewed. And if found adequate, the balance of the contract price is released to the promoter.

JB Cases said:
Just so I fully understand. You seek a sponsor. That goes through a broker who charges you 15% of whatever money they secure. Then the sponsor withhold the funds for 60-90 days until they determine that they have received the "media value" they were promised? Is this the way it works there?
hehe, before you're handed the 50% down payment you'd better hand over the 15 of the 100. It then is your sole responsibility in fulfilling the media values agreed on. If you, as the event promoter/management group, mess up on the delivery of the media values then you alone are responsible and won't get a percentage of the commission back even when you get a reduced amount of the balance available.

That's the short explanation. Also, as they say "Everything's negotiable".
 
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Hopefully, with the explanation above as to how this event is financed, people can start understanding all my previous posts, current and future posts regarding tournaments/events here. Basically, why they operate as they do and how ours is directly opposite of how they do theirs.

They collect whatever down payments they get and make deals for goods and services based on this or can even draw a loan against the contracts' balance. The BMPAP on the other hand, uses its own funds and isolate the event operation and completion from collectibles from sponsors. We bankroll with or without sponsors. If we do get sponsors then we alone wait for the funds to be released in 45-90 days. That's how come we get to immediately pay prize monies, venue, TV, ads and only require minimal entry and booth fees plus free entry to see our events. It's either we have the moolah in hand to see the event through or it's a no go.
 
JB Cases said:
Well it seems to me that if this is the law then it's up to the courts to decide the matter if it comes to that.

I have no dog in this hunt. However as an outside observer it seems a bit premature to have all this speculation (call it mud-slinging) prior to the date the organizers stated that they would begin payments. I am sure that IF the organizers pays everyone as they should then the mud-slingers will say he achieved a last-minute rescue and say that it was their "public" (if AZ Billiards can be said to have influence) pressure that accomplished it. If the organizer fails to pay then the mud-slingers will stand up and say that they were right all along.

From what I gather Philippine politics seems to be pretty cutthroat with little regard for the law. Even at that however it would seem to me that with reports of Senate investigations taking place Yen Makebenta would be foolish to hold an event without adhering to the law governing bonded prize money.

It seems to me that he would know that this event (this year) was not going to make him money personally, not be a profit center for Raya Sports, and certainly would stand as a make-or-break event in light of all the other issues in play. So with all that in mind he would have to be suicidal to hold the event without the money in hand.

Maybe he is but somehow I doubt it. Thus I read all this speculating and mud-slinging with dismay as it further tears apart the billiard world with no reason. If this coming week we don't see that players are getting paid then go to town. Help your fellow pool players to pursue their rights to a payday. But until then - let it be.

Perhaps you call our pre-event posts as mudslinging... mater of semantics. As far as I know, we were basing our posts from the signals, mainly fro the absence of sponsors in the WTB website UNTIL a few days before the event. That occurrence is not our doing. At this point, even if for the fact that obligations have not been met as of this writing, we can go "I told you so".

We were aware that should anything go wrong (at that time, predictably) and we kept quiet about it, any failure would have generalized future Philippine events as inferior. Hence, we made the distinction early in the going.

Actually, if they only listened to us from the onset of the rift, they could have probably avoided a boycott and they could have made a killing in sponsorships. It is not only to the international players that we sent alarm signals to... it was also to them. But the complaints could not send its decibels to the accredited high chair that they were in. It was too late when their constituents decided to bolt out and create a BMPAP.

Only then did they consider negotiating, but it was too late. And when they realized that the BMPAP was a force to reckon with, they decided to counter with black propaganda in text messaging, dailies, AZ columns and official statements. In the forums, they were the first ones who called Perry a pimp and who said that Puyat was using Efren (implying stupidity in Efren). Edwin was the worst hit by local text messaging, so I do not blame him for his toxic postings.

The WTB was a culmination of this strategy that only BSCP/Raya had chosen to live by. Why was it? Makabenta is in the Media, Baranda is a political propagandist by profession, and Chua is a political crony to all sides of Philippine politics - they had the edge in this approach that they selected. They forgot about the foot soldiers and the business side of things.

While Bandido and Sputnik fought issues out in the Internet (usually after breakfast or after a day's work), everyone in BMPAP was working. BMPAP's superior local events said it all. Our forum exchanges made the whole international pool community aware of how things were going on based on facts and events. If it can be called mudslinging, so be it. From our side, it was international sympathy we were after because we thought that it was wiser to work on the Law of Supply and Demand instead of working on a corrupted system of accreditation.

And so the Law of Supply and Demand has spoken. No matter how Ted Learner and the others tried so hard to prop-up the event, it is a fact that the WTB was not embraced by the fans and by sponsors.

Personally, I was all-out mainly against the abuse of accreditation. That was what I fought for in all my postings, especially when our smoke signals were extinguished by no less than Ian Andersen.

Bandido and I stand up with pride in defending the Filipino players. (For example, in the Alex issue, Guinness would probably not have asked Alex back if not for the background that was exposed). Collateral damage is far less important than the lesson that has been offered to international pool: The sport (especially if ego confuses the self as being the "sport") is not bigger than the players collectively.

Hopefully, our pre-tournament efforts will not be used in regret for what might have been if only they listened to us... IF AND WHEN OBLIGATIONS ARE NOT MET. If obligations are met, well then they ought to be, and shame on them for coming up with this kind of preparation.
 
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JB Cases said:
(if AZ Billiards can be said to have influence)
Isn't that thebenefit that any website owner wants, the influence?
Influence to sway posters and readers to purchase goods and services advertised in the website. Influence to make a difference in the field they chose?
 
sputnik said:
Perhaps you call our pre-event posts as mudslinging... mater of semantics. As far as I know, we were basing our posts from the signals, mainly fro the absence of sponsors in the WTB website UNTIL a few days before the event. That occurrence is not our doing. At this point, even if for the fact that obligations have not been met as of this writing, we can go "I told you so".

We were aware that should anything go wrong (at that time, predictably) and we kept quiet about it, any failure would have generalized future Philippine events as inferior. Hence, we made the distinction early in the going.

Actually, if they only listened to us from the onset of the rift, they could have probably avoided a boycott and they could have made a killing in sponsorships. It is not only to the international players that we sent alarm signals to... it was also to them. But the complaints could not send its decibels to the accredited high chair that they were in. It was too late when their constituents decided to bolt out and create a BMPAP.

Only then did they consider negotiating, but it was too late. And when they realized that the BMPAP was a force to reckon with, they decided to counter with black propaganda in text messaging, dailies, AZ columns and official statements. In the forums, they were the first ones who called Perry a pimp and who said that Puyat was using Efren (implying stupidity in Efren). Edwin was the worst hit by local text messaging, so I do not blame him for his toxic postings.

The WTB was a culmination of this strategy that only BSCP/Raya had chosen to live by. Why was it? Makabenta is in the Media, Baranda is a political propagandist by profession, and Chua is a political crony to all sides of Philippine politics - they had the edge in this approach that they selected. They forgot about the foot soldiers and the business side of things.

While Bandido and Sputnik fought issues out in the Internet (usually after breakfast or after a day's work), everyone in BMPAP was working. BMPAP's superior local events said it all. Our forum exchanges made the whole international pool community aware of how things were going on based on facts and events. If it can be called mudslinging, so be it. From our side, it was international sympathy we were after because we thought that it was wiser to work on the Law of Supply and Demand instead of working on a corrupted system of accreditation.

And so the Law of Supply and Demand has spoken. No matter how Ted Learner and the others tried so hard to prop-up the event, it is a fact that the WTB was not embraced by the fans and by sponsors.

Personally, I was all-out mainly against the abuse of accreditation. That was what I fought for in all my postings, especially when our smoke signals were extinguished by no less than Ian Andersen.

Bandido and I stand up with pride in defending the Filipino players. (For example, in the Alex issue, Guinness would probably not have asked Alex back if not for the background that was exposed). Collateral damage is far less important than the lesson that has been offered to international pool: The sport (especially if ego confuses the self as being the "sport") is not bigger than the players collectively.

Hopefully, our pre-tournament efforts will not be used in regret for what might have been if only they listened to us... IF AND WHEN OBLIGATIONS ARE NOT MET. If obligations are met, well then they ought to be, and shame on them for coming up with this kind of preparation.

Fair enough. I just think that the fearmongering is unwarranted. When you spread fear amongst the billiard community you make it tough for anyone to do business.

That is what happened before the WTB and it is what is happening now in the period while we wait to see if payment happens.

I can certainly understand the points you make and I understand that there is a lot more behind the scenes than we know about.

Anyway, you will carry on whether it's good for pool or not. Apparently there is too much bitterness for anything less than one side to lose and the other side to win.
 
JB Cases said:
Anyway, you will carry on whether it's good for pool or not. Apparently there is too much bitterness for anything less than one side to lose and the other side to win.

I, for one, am for unity in Philippine pool. The equation is simple. Subtract Raya Sports as a "partner" of BSCP where Makabenta is both President of Raya and Chairman of BSCP.

Only then will there be a fair playing field and BSCP (as the National Sport Association under the Philippine Sports Commission, which is in turn ruled by the Philippine Olympic Committee) can go about doing it's duty in taking care of snooker and billiards without profit being at the top of priorities.

FYI, Marlon Manalo was a snooker player before he became a pool player. Marlon placed 2nd in the 2001World Games in snooker and he bagged an Asian title. Aside from Marlon, there are a few more excellent ones like Joven Alba who is now in the Middle East teaching pool.

Support for snooker? Zero. Why? No money there.

Also FYI... Makabenta was a small boxing promoter before he came to pool. I am still doing research on it, but from initial reports, he had very good reason why he had to switch to pool. But I think that if he has to leave pool, that's going to be the last of it with sports. I am not instilling fear. Part of trivia.
 
Joven Alba is a great guy and a very good player all round.

If you are going to watch the US Open then keep a look out for him.

He could be a Dark Horse - (DG hot tip)
 
JB Cases said:
There is a big difference between exposing wrongdoing and speculative mud-slinging.

One discusses the events as they took place and exposes the wrongness of them.

The other pre-supposes wrongness and attempts to further defame prior to an event taking place.

The saying in physics goes that you cannot observe a thing without changing it.

We will never know what the WTC would have been without all the pre-event discussion. There is no doubt in my mind that all the fighting had an effect on it. Rebellion leads to change, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. But it's change nonetheless.

So if you want to take credit for fighting to change things for the good then also take credit for undermining the efforts of those you are fighting against. Because if their efforts are successful then it makes your fight much harder.

I am not saying Edwin is at fault for whatever Yen and Chua fail at. I understand that emotions are running high. But you are carrying on a flame war that is one sided. No one from Yen's "camp" is here to defend themselves so it's a little boring (just a little) to read the one sided attacks and speculations of failure.

I'd much rather read about the awesome events that BMPAP has planned so that I hopefully put them on my calendar to attend.

Here is a thought BMPAP - how about figuring out how to offer training clinics with your best players. Give us a vacation package that includes airfare, hotel, table time, and some sightseeing. I am sure that there are some folks in the world who would love to go to pool camp with Efren, Busti and co........

hey jb..my comments there for edwin meant to be sarcasm ( but it's true because jerry and others here have accused edwin of trying to to sabotage or stop the wtb from happening- which is so wrong and false)..you are way too serious... not that the subject is not... chill out..

edwin has got nothing to do with yen's mal activity...

my dislike for yen is basically this: and it's not for me or for the other organization: it's for pool alone: i do not want to see yen accomplish his goal and succeed on his undertakings- simply because if he becomes successful- this monster will enforce his diabolical scheme to dominate and dictate the pool scene in asia and possibly the world. (i guess it's ok if he has good intention , but this guy is lacking credibility- never sweat for pool in the phil to bring it to a level whwre it was before he messed with it)

but having said that... i'm just a lowly pool enthusiast voicing my concerns.. and i think everybody has that right.. i didn't think this puny forum here has in any way affected how thing happened at the wtb
 
JB Cases said:
Apparently there is too much bitterness for anything less than one side to lose and the other side to win.

Yes, this is something that everybody should think about.
 
The contention is that no private entity (RAYA) should benefit from the Government and International Governing body(WPA) recognized (BSCP) accreditation powers. These BSCP powers are being used against the players to benefit RAYA. Not ever a question about winning or losing, but rather "when". No Private entity should be allowed to use "accreditation powers" against the players.

SUMMARY:
Current Officials in BSCP=No Top and Up-and-coming Filipino Poolplayers(BMPAP)=CHAOS
New set of Officers in BSCP=Cooperation from BMPAP=Unity
 
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