World 10 Ball Silence

corvette1340 said:
lol, you are definitely right about that. I can't believe anyone would actually expect to get paid AT a pool tournament venue anymore.
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All those years at the Riv the BCA had employees, controller and check book in hand to pay their players quickly, I could be wrong, but in the last years when John Lewis was there, more than double was paid out that week than the total prize fund of this event. The IPT fiasco I'm sure has tainted viewpoints upon this event, like JF said, the format for last year for payout structure will be the same this year, so what's the difference, why is the silence different this year than last????
 
Conflict of Interest... That's the main thing right? Solving this issue will probably solve or address a lot of the other things.

One side side says there is no issue. The other side says there is.

How this issue is resolved will determine if one side wins or loses... maybe everybody wins through diplomacy and stinking up agreements... maybe not if the parties refuse or don't negotiate... still hoping for the best.
 
monski said:
Conflict of Interest... That's the main thing right? Solving this issue will probably solve or address a lot of the other things.

One side side says there is no issue. The other side says there is.

How this issue is resolved will determine if one side wins or loses... maybe everybody wins through diplomacy and stinking up agreements... maybe not if the parties refuse or don't negotiate... still hoping for the best.
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Forget it! That's been tried a couple of weeks before the WTBC. In exchange for BMPAP participation in the WTBC, 5 slots and resignation from the BSCP in December was initially offered. No deal! Our first concern was as to which 5 poor souls were they now going to pull slots from? Secondly, why December (November was offered next) and not now? Shoot! Still trying to pull a fast one.

BSCP needs to wipe the slate clean. It'll be better of with a new set of officers not linked to previous anomalies.
 
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monski said:
Conflict of Interest... That's the main thing right? Solving this issue will probably solve or address a lot of the other things.

One side side says there is no issue. The other side says there is.

How this issue is resolved will determine if one side wins or loses... maybe everybody wins through diplomacy and stinking up agreements... maybe not if the parties refuse or don't negotiate... still hoping for the best.
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No issue? They got sued for the Alex Pagulayan issue! They're getting investigated by the Ombudsman for the government funds misuse issue.
 
monski said:
Conflict of Interest... That's the main thing right? Solving this issue will probably solve or address a lot of the other things.

One side side says there is no issue. The other side says there is.

How this issue is resolved will determine if one side wins or loses... maybe everybody wins through diplomacy and stinking up agreements... maybe not if the parties refuse or don't negotiate... still hoping for the best.
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Monski, obviously you are not taking sides here. Neutrality between parties is different from neutrality between issues. Sometimes neutrality between issues is apathy. Many times, the unwillingness of the heart makes the mind lazy.

From the time you and I met in 2002 (when Edwin and I were humbly soliciting corporate donations for players to join tournaments abroad), we had been translating the players' problems into concrete solutions. You witnessed one of our projects when Edwin and I, as plain pool fans, begged for donations from Ed De Guzman's colleagues. Edwin and I have gone a long way for us just to sit down and watch a small-time boxing promoter turn the pool situation in the Philippines upside-down in a short period of two years. It is not bitterness, my friend. It is conviction.

I have to explain something though...

Would you suggest that the two Philippine TV station rivals GMA and ABS-CBN refrain from the constant issues they throw at each other? In billiards, this is Raya and BMPAP. Both parties are engaged in the production of tournaments.

Now, if MTRCB had ABS-CBN president Charo Santos-Concio simultaneously functioning as its chairman, would GMA 7 take that sitting down? More so, if in that scenario, Charo Santos-Concio used her MTRCB chairmanship to get things in favor of ABS-CBN while claiming that there is no conflict of interest, you think GMA-7 will not stop until MTRCB is cleared of bias?

To sweep this situation under the rug and call it bitterness is apathy.

The centerpiece of the issues is Yen Makabenta and everything that follows becomes a personality issue... not personal. Yen Makabenta is a personality in BSCP, and being a public personality (serving a public position) subjects him to scrutiny. And if there is reason for scrutiny, it does not necessarily equate to bitterness.

Maybe to the people apathetic to this situation, the posts in the forums have gone out of hand. But to the ones fighting for and on behalf of fairness.... whatever it takes! Many in BMPAP are fighting for fairness because they are being dealt with unfairly. I, for one, am fighting for fairness - period. Edwin will kill for it!
 
And that's why the BMPAP players are solidly behind your Association.
It is commendable that you have had such solidarity from the established players.
 
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pro9dg said:
And that's why the BMPAP players are solidly behind your Association.
It is commendable that you have had such solidarity from the established players.
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Thank you my friend. You too were witness to it. Remember the hotel fire alarm incident?!! That was hilarious. When Edwin told me that funding from our solicitations was in the red, I right away flew to Cardiff with a luggage load of Filipino food. Our boys just would not eat fish 'n chips! Unfortunately, Ronnie Alcano closed the hotel room window while I was cooking Filipino breakfast. I still have to apologise to you Doug for running out of your room. But you haven't told me what you were wearing when that alarm went off.

After the hotel confiscated our portable stove, I walked about two miles daily to pick up home-cooked Filipino food that was volunteered by a nice Filipino couple.

Compare that conviction to Makabenta's leaving Revo David behind (a minor) in Germany when he was so eager to get on that bus at the World Youth Championships! It is not clear if he was with Ian Andersen on that bus.
 
Please don't say things like so-and-so will "kill for it". If the unthinkable happened then I'd hate to see such a statement come back to haunt someone. (Yeah I know I watch too much television)

I still don't understand how the BSCP works? Is Yen's position an elected or appointed one? Is the BSCP a private organization or a government funded one. Who are the constituents of the BSCP?

In Germany the WPA member is the EPBF - I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong here - the way I understand it is that each club sends a representative to the regional group and each regional groupd sends a representative to the national group - in Germany that is the Deutsche Billard Union - and then the DBU sends a representative to the EPBF who then has a rep on the WPA.

In the USA in contrast the BCA is the continental member and the players have no direct linkage to the WPA. The BCA has members but they never "elect" any representatives to the WPA, nor does the BCA take advice from any state organizations (there aren't any).

So how is the BSCP organized? Why can't the people who make up the BSCP oust the leadership? Are there bylaws that govern such situations? It seems to me that with such aggregious allegations then there ought to be some provision for the members of the BSCP to change the leadership.

Inquiring minds want to know and to fan the flames :-)
 
JB Cases said:
Please don't say things like so-and-so will "kill for it". If the unthinkable happened then I'd hate to see such a statement come back to haunt someone. (Yeah I know I watch too much television)

I still don't understand how the BSCP works? Is Yen's position an elected or appointed one? Is the BSCP a private organization or a government funded one. Who are the constituents of the BSCP?

In Germany the WPA member is the EPBF - I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong here - the way I understand it is that each club sends a representative to the regional group and each regional groupd sends a representative to the national group - in Germany that is the Deutsche Billard Union - and then the DBU sends a representative to the EPBF who then has a rep on the WPA.

In the USA in contrast the BCA is the continental member and the players have no direct linkage to the WPA. The BCA has members but they never "elect" any representatives to the WPA, nor does the BCA take advice from any state organizations (there aren't any).

So how is the BSCP organized? Why can't the people who make up the BSCP oust the leadership? Are there bylaws that govern such situations? It seems to me that with such aggregious allegations then there ought to be some provision for the members of the BSCP to change the leadership.

Inquiring minds want to know and to fan the flames :-)
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BSCP is our equivalent of the Deutsche Billard Union. I was going to direct you to their website, www.bscpweb.com, but it somehow disappeared like a bubble.:confused: :rolleyes: Abnormal things are happening here. Even the attacking text messages, that I normally get after every post I make, are missing. hmmmmmm???
 
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bandido said:
BSCP is our equivalent of the Deutsche Billard Union. I was going to direct you to their website, www.bscpweb.com, but it somehow disappeared like a bubble.:confused: :rolleyes: Abnormal things are happening here. Even the attacking text messages, that I normally get after every post I make, are missing. hmmmmmm???
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D-Day is less than 2 days away, how far can someone go with a 2 week head start Edwin?
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JB Cases said:
Why can't the people who make up the BSCP oust the leadership?
Inquiring minds want to know and to fan the flames :-)
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They're in cahoots. That's why I wrote "BSCP needs to wipe the slate clean".
 
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JB Cases said:
In the USA in contrast the BCA is the continental member and the players have no direct linkage to the WPA. The BCA has members but they never "elect" any representatives to the WPA, nor does the BCA take advice from any state organizations (there aren't any).
:-)
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The Board of the WPA is currently 8 strong. They are by and large a pretty amenable bunch.

The US currently hold 25% of the seats - the lovely Fran Crimi and the elusive Ed Smith. They have both been nominated by the BCA. So that answers one of your questions.

Asia have two spots - the wondrous Mr Tu and Kazuo Fujima (currently based in the Middle East)

The European contingent consists of Gre Leenders and Thomas Overbeck and Peter Hawley (good bloke!) weighs in for the African nations.

Finally there is Ian Anderson, a former professional snooker player who represented Australia in Snooker's World Cup many moons ago.
He holds the position of President which I believe is unsalaried.
Ian is a good man but he has gone out on a limb with this situation.
I hope that it works out for him.
John, I hope that this helps
 
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gopi-1 said:
D-Day is less than 2 days away, how far can someone go with a 2 week head start Edwin?
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Let's hope they pay up first before bidding adeiu.

FYI, betcha you didn't know that after my response to Ted's blog I received 600 text messages saying "you SOB" etc. Later on I was told by somebody "in" in their camp that it was 1000. I must be their biggest threat to receive such attention from them.
 
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64+64+36+48+40+15+25+40+100=432 thousand
Assuming one lot of 40 is a misprint we are left with 392 not 400 thousand.
A 2% deduction for ???

or a 32,000 bonus?
 
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bandido said:
Let's hope they pay up first before bidding adeiu.

FYI, betcha you didn't know that after my response to Ted's blog I received 600 text messages saying "you SOB" etc. Later on I was told by somebody "in" in their camp that it was 1000. I must be their biggest threat to receive such attention from them.
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I was the first one to respond to that Edwin, good thing they don't know my number!
I couldn't seem to find that specific thread though, it seems it just vanished into thin air...
 
gopi-1 said:
I was the first one to respond to that Edwin, good thing they don't know my number!
I couldn't seem to find that specific thread though, it seems it just vanished into thin air...
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You sure did right after Renegade's niceties. Here's the link http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=115656

I dicovered the reason for all the wonderful text messages that I recieved. It's got to be the picture!!:rotflmao:
 
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