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I agree fully, there should never be a shot clock in 14.1.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps they need to allocate more time than 30 seconds + four 45 second extensions. The goal is to ensure that one player doesn't slow the game down too much.
Chess, for example, utilizes a chess clock which helps ensure that both players have exactly the same amount of time allocated to them. Other sports also have shot clocks. A shot clock adds an element of excitement. No doubt, errors are made to due to running out of time but that's part of the game too.
I agree fully, there should never be a shot clock in 14.1.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps they need to allocate more time than 30 seconds + four 45 second extensions. The goal is to ensure that one player doesn't slow the game down too much.
Chess, for example, utilizes a chess clock which helps ensure that both players have exactly the same amount of time allocated to them. Other sports also have shot clocks. A shot clock adds an element of excitement. No doubt, errors are made to due to running out of time but that's part of the game too.
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NYC cue dude
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the only reason a shot clock has been introduced into this event has been to keep within the general parameters of match start time schedules. Essentially these a schedules are for the benifit of the fans. And although keeping fans happy would be nice, their convienence is should NOT be paramount to the integrity of the game itself!!!
If one follows this logic, then shot clocks should be eliminated in other sports too...to keep the fans happy.NYC cue dude said:
Here's an old post from 2004 on this topic:
Shot Clock. Thank Frank Taberski
A gentleman and former world champion who is in the hall of fame also is the cause of the shot clock first being used. He was a great straight pool player who used to lull his apponents asleep in their chairs because of his slow play and his alwasy taking breaks. Story has it that during a 250 point match, during 1 of the racks he took 3 or 4 bathroom breaks, plus he would stroke his cue maybe 30 to 40 times between shots. So the pool Gods instituted the clock on him. Rumor has it that the 250 point match took over 7 hours to complete.
From Bob Jewett: I saw a match between Lassiter and Lane that took 3 1/2 hours for 150 points.
Another choice is to use a different kind of shot clock. Chess-style would give a fixed total for a match. There is also the style they've used in Europe that gives some number of seconds credit for each shot taken, which would be better for games such as one pocket, or any game with a lot of safety play. It allows you to use as much of your "time bank" as you want on complicated shots.
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PoolSharkAllen said:If one follows this logic, then shot clocks should be eliminated in other sports too...to keep the fans happy.
Here's an old post from 2004 on this topic:
Shot Clock. Thank Frank Taberski
A gentleman and former world champion who is in the hall of fame also is the cause of the shot clock first being used. He was a great straight pool player who used to lull his apponents asleep in their chairs because of his slow play and his alwasy taking breaks. Story has it that during a 250 point match, during 1 of the racks he took 3 or 4 bathroom breaks, plus he would stroke his cue maybe 30 to 40 times between shots. So the pool Gods instituted the clock on him. Rumor has it that the 250 point match took over 7 hours to complete.
From Bob Jewett: I saw a match between Lassiter and Lane that took 3 1/2 hours for 150 points.
Another choice is to use a different kind of shot clock. Chess-style would give a fixed total for a match. There is also the style they've used in Europe that gives some number of seconds credit for each shot taken, which would be better for games such as one pocket, or any game with a lot of safety play. It allows you to use as much of your "time bank" as you want on complicated shots.
Yes, Frank was known to almost kill the game entirely. It was not unusual for him to examine a cluster of balls for 15 minutes, then take a restroom break, come back and ... PLAY SAFE!! Watching this as a spectator must've been tough. To the man's credit, he was probably one of the best players ever.
NYC cue dude
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this is the only sport in the world that utilizes a clock in a completely arbitrary manner and its implemtation is without a preset threshhold guideline.
It seems that this games integrity and tradition have taken a secondary position behind every other concern.
It seems that this games integrity and tradition have taken a secondary position behind every other concern.
What time does Danny Play?
Wuf, Wuf, Wuf. Any chance you will be home in time for the Shooters tournament ? It would'nt be the same their without you.
PoolSharkAllen said:If one follows this logic, then shot clocks should be eliminated in other sports too...to keep the fans happy.
Here's an old post from 2004 on this topic:
Shot Clock. Thank Frank Taberski
A gentleman and former world champion who is in the hall of fame also is the cause of the shot clock first being used. He was a great straight pool player who used to lull his apponents asleep in their chairs because of his slow play and his alwasy taking breaks. Story has it that during a 250 point match, during 1 of the racks he took 3 or 4 bathroom breaks, plus he would stroke his cue maybe 30 to 40 times between shots. So the pool Gods instituted the clock on him. Rumor has it that the 250 point match took over 7 hours to complete.
From Bob Jewett: I saw a match between Lassiter and Lane that took 3 1/2 hours for 150 points.
Another choice is to use a different kind of shot clock. Chess-style would give a fixed total for a match. There is also the style they've used in Europe that gives some number of seconds credit for each shot taken, which would be better for games such as one pocket, or any game with a lot of safety play. It allows you to use as much of your "time bank" as you want on complicated shots.
We used a 45 second clock at the 1989 World 14.1 championships in Chicago (with one extension allowed per rack). These were 125 point games. Somehow Dick Lane found a way to work that clock to the max, routinely taking 40 seconds per shot. Even WITH the shot clock, his matches were taking around three hours. Some took longer!
We had a lot of discussion prior to the tournament about how long the clock should be. Some wanted 30 seconds and some wanted one minute. We compromised at 45 seconds. That turned out to be quite good, with more than enough time for a player to study the rack. Only Dick Lane was able to stretchhhh the clock to the max.
By the way, that is the first tournament where I met Oliver Ortmann. He was about 22 or 23 back then. I was very impressed with this poised young man. Voila, he ended up in the Finals against Steve Mizerak. Steve may have been a little over confident playing this youngster from overseas. He shouldn't have though, as Oliver matched him safety for safety, and shot for shot, and took him down in a 200 point match.
Oliver handled the pressure quite well on his first trip to the U.S. I knew then this would be a man to be reckoned with on a pool table. And he has continued to surprise people over and over again when they think he is either out of stroke or over matched.
By the way, George Fels and I did the commentary for the Men's and Women's Finals for local cable TV. I still have copies of these matches in the television edited form for a one hour show.
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NYC cue dude
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by the way, jay, George is here taking in the action.
Go Danny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DonFelix said:
pretty much. he ran like 110 off of dennis's break. then finished him off with an 80 n out.