World 14.1 - Is this true???

9 Ball Girl

9 Ball Girl

aka Wendy
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So I heard that some of the male players were complaining that the women shouldn't be playing with them in the World 14.1 championship something because none of them have truly achieved world championship status. Supposedly a lot was said about Jasmin because and I quote "she's the only one female who played that could play worth a damn".

Is this true?
 
This debate goes back to at least the 1970's. I recall three schools of thought back then, at a time when whether Balukas should be allowed to play in the men's division of the world championships was being considered.

1) Yes, she should be permitted to play
2) No, she should not be permitted to play
3) She should be permitted to play in either the men's or women's world championships, but not both

One thing that is for sure is that Jean justified her presence in the men's event when permitted to play in the men's draw close to thirty years ago. Equally clear is that Jasmin, who eliminated the defending champion, Oliver Ortmann, in a long race to 200, justified her presence, too.

I'd suggest that Gerda Hofstatter, who has run a hudred, gave a solid accounting of herself, as well, with two match wins and she also gave Danny Harriman a tough match.

I can understand where some of the guys are coming from, but ultimately, the inclusion of women in the world championship is a very good idea that promotes pool in general, and which brings very positive press to the world of women's pool.
 
9 Ball Girl said:
So I heard that some of the male players were complaining that the women shouldn't be playing with them in the World 14.1 championship something because none of them have truly achieved world championship status. Supposedly a lot was said about Jasmin because and I quote "she's the only one female who played that could play worth a damn".

Is this true?
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Someone posted that they overheard Bustamente comment "I hope I play the girl next". What a condescending, arrogant and sexist remark. Ironically Jasmin nearly beat him, but couldn't get on a roll.

She'll be back next year, and I hope she plays the masungit early on so he can get an early flight home.

Poolmouse
 
Whether true or not, as a spectator I really enjoyed them being in the field. And besides Jasmin's successes against the men, there were 4 wins by Cha against men, and I believe Gerda had a win or two. I think that proves enough.
 
dont take this as sexist, but in no other sport do men and women compete against each other for a championship. MLB, NFL, NBA, WNBA, PGA, LPGA you get the idea.
Im just throwing this out there for conversation, im not saying i think that women shouldnt be allowed to play in world championships, just that there doesnt seem to be a precadent (sp i know lol) for this.


Ben
 
poolmouse said:
Someone posted that they overheard Bustamente comment "I hope I play the girl next". What a condescending, arrogant and sexist remark. Ironically Jasmin nearly beat him, but couldn't get on a roll.

She'll be back next year, and I hope she plays the masungit early on so he can get an early flight home.

Poolmouse
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Pretty harsh insults for Django don't you think? I mean, calling him sexist etc. was sufficient but your Filipino insult went way too far.
 
railfirst said:
dont take this as sexist, but in no other sport do men and women compete against each other for a championship. MLB, NFL, NBA, WNBA, PGA, LPGA you get the idea.
Im just throwing this out there for conversation, im not saying i think that women shouldnt be allowed to play in world championships, just that there doesnt seem to be a precadent (sp i know lol) for this.


Ben
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What does it say when women are allowed to compete in some male events but not vice versa? Are the various gaming establishments (and portions of society) admitting that women are not as skilled as men in certain sports? What's the message here? What are the women proving by competing, or being allowed to compete in men's events?

The WPBA has clearly shown that competing against men was not necessary for the WPBA itself to overtake any men's tour in popularity, sponsorship, etc.
 
Johnnyt said:
Billiards set one 30 years ago. Johnnyt
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billiards is in no position to set any sort of precedent other wise all major sports would be integrated. i dont really think the general population really gives a flying f--k what the billiards world is up to. however when they were going to allow/or continue not to allow women to play at agusta it was on every channel.

Ben
 
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Originally Posted by railfirst
dont take this as sexist, but in no other sport do men and women compete against each other for a championship. MLB, NFL, NBA, WNBA, PGA, LPGA you get the idea.
Im just throwing this out there for conversation, im not saying i think that women shouldnt be allowed to play in world championships, just that there doesnt seem to be a precadent (sp i know lol) for this.


inside_english said:
What does it say when women are allowed to compete in some male events but not vice versa? Are the various gaming establishments (and portions of society) admitting that women are not as skilled as men in certain sports? What's the message here? What are the women proving by competing, or being allowed to compete in men's events?

The WPBA has clearly shown that competing against men was not necessary for the WPBA itself to overtake any men's tour in popularity, sponsorship, etc.
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Maybe just maybe they're looking for some more serious competition...I've looked at the level of game play with a lot of the players in the WPBA and could see a desire to find some opponents of a higher level...
 
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railfirst said:
.... in no other sport do men and women compete against each other for a championship.
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Women and men compete against each other in several sports, for championships even :

Olympic sailing

Show jumping (equestrian event)

Horse racing (jockeys)

Car racing

Dave
 
I think its good for the sport, and pool needs all the help it can get. With the constant female sex/clevage/bootie/tonge etc. camera angles that marketing gurus use to sell product and ideas, bringing a woman into the mix can only give more exposure/attention to the billiard world, we all know its direly needed. It'll all come out in the wash, but for now, all news is good news. I heard on House the other night, about TV/subplot, that old men dying in their beds enjoy watching women play pool, now that statement caught me off guard, but, slowly, pool is inching its way into society.
 
DaveK said:
Women and men compete against each other in several sports, for championships even :

Olympic sailing

Show jumping (equestrian event)

Horse racing (jockeys)

Car racing

Dave
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Michelle Wie and Annika Sorenstam also played some men's golf tourneys.

I really doubt you're going to find women in the NFL or NBA, but if there's a sport where they can compete with the men, I think it's great. I wish more women were involved in pool.
 
Pick on both, I will

There were male and female players that did not belong in that tournament.!! Male and female !!..The only reason for them to be at that event should have been as a spectator.
Some of the play I witnessed from both a few men and a woman was c+ to low B at best,,,AT BEST.
If they want to pick on the women tell them to pick on the men also who couldn't run a rack after their opponet blasted them with a chicago break, more than once.
Believe me they weren't haven't a bad day it was their level, it was obvious.
A handful of players were very weak, MEN AND WOMEN
How did they get in this event?
Why were they in this event?
WHERE WERE THE PLAYERS THAT BELONGED IN THESE SPOTS?
What a joke
 
sjm said:
This debate goes back to at least the 1970's. I recall three schools of thought back then, at a time when whether Balukas should be allowed to play in the men's division of the world championships was being considered.

1) Yes, she should be permitted to play
2) No, she should not be permitted to play
3) She should be permitted to play in either the men's or women's world championships, but not both

One thing that is for sure is that Jean justified her presence in the men's event when permitted to play in the men's draw close to thirty years ago. Equally clear is that Jasmin, who eliminated the defending champion, Oliver Ortmann, in a long race to 200, justified her presence, too.

I'd suggest that Gerda Hofstatter, who has run a hudred, gave a solid accounting of herself, as well, with two match wins and she also gave Danny Harriman a tough match.

I can understand where some of the guys are coming from, but ultimately, the inclusion of women in the world championship is a very good idea that promotes pool in general, and which brings very positive press to the world of women's pool.
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excellent take on the subject ....It may be what saves pool .......
 
inside_english said:
What does it say when women are allowed to compete in some male events but not vice versa? Are the various gaming establishments (and portions of society) admitting that women are not as skilled as men in certain sports? What's the message here? What are the women proving by competing, or being allowed to compete in men's events?

The WPBA has clearly shown that competing against men was not necessary for the WPBA itself to overtake any men's tour in popularity, sponsorship, etc.
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the 14.1 world championships is not a "mens" event ......( as far as I know ) ...
 
I don't think the women should be allowed to play. Nothing to do with the sex, just the simple fact that they have a tour. The men only have a few big events and women can enter taking spots away from guys. When men are allowed to play in the WBPA then allow women to play the mens events. Any world event or known mens ranking events shouldn't allow female players. The women can play in 8 events?? for $10,000 or so plus the half dozen mens events that offer the same. Why should the guys give up their prize $$ and the women not have to risk WPBA prize $$. If guys where making big $$ with lots of events, I would have a different opinion.

As far as the examples allowing women players, there isn't a pro womens car racing or horse racing event...
 
There was a lot of talk about a certain contingent being adamant that women not play again. There was also talk from some 'top pros' that basically "you cant run more than 30 balls against her because she's a girl." I swear 2 pros say virtually the same thing. I would think they'd say "Im a pro and I need to work on something, I cant beat a female". Afterall, you are playing the table.
 
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