instroke75 said:
Didn't Cliff Joyner spank Allison back when she first started owning the women's tour? And Cliff can't hang with any of the big boys on the men's tour when it comes to 9ball.
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Didn't Cliff Joyner spank Allison back when she first started owning the women's tour? And Cliff can't hang with any of the big boys on the men's tour when it comes to 9ball.
Rumplestiltskin said:
Au contraire, Cliff CAN hang with the big boys and has frequently! He ain't no soft draw!
True, true. Last year at the Predator 10-ball event in Florida, he got 2nd place to Shane. Great showing in a field of champions.
jay helfert said:
jay helfert said:
I've seen him play a bajillion times when he's been in Atlanta... I can't remember seeing him beat anyone of consequence.
A couple years ago, I think Cliff Joyner won two back-to-back tournaments in Reno and got the extra prize monies for winning both. It was the U.S. Bar Tables Championship, 8-ball and 9-ball divisions.
Here's the link: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?id=1653
JAM
Here's the link: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?id=1653
JAM
cuechick said:
Definitely
I'm just saying that at the time, I could have gone through a list of 30+ players that Cliff wouldn't bother trying to play even. And I'm betting that list has gotten longer with all the new players that are so strong.
Hi Finn!!! I've been doing everything but pool, though I stay in the loop thanks to the forums and the players! I gotta come out to a Predator stop soon to meet Gail, say Hi to Tony, watch you in action cause I've always enjoyed doing that and just spectate! You guys are doing a great job with the tour!
NYC cue dude said:
My apologies then. However I still think that Grady should be extended an invitation if the others are invited. Whatever differences exist there should be an attempt to patch them up for the good of the sport. IF DP/CW extends and olive branch and it is rebuffed then no one can ever say that Grady did not receive the invitation and opportunity that his peers have.
Danny Kuykendal said:
Should the wheelchair players also give up their tour as well? I somewhat agree with you though. I once asked the UPA's Frank Alvarez if Kelly Fisher could play on the UPA. Back then it was billed as for all PLAYERS with no mention of gender. Shortly after my discussions with Frank the UPA changed it's online descriptions to specifically state that it was for MEN. I asked Frank pointedly if Kelly would be allowed to play IF she agreed to give up playing on the WPBA. He said no, which I find to be discriminatory and sexist.
If a player agrees to choose one or the other then that should be their right and they should have the opportunity to go as far as they can go in the sport.
It is SAD that the world can never have a World 9 Ball champion who is a female. Sad that the world will never see a female World 10 Ball Champion.
The WPA should MANDATE that all of the top tier world championships in each discipline be open to the very best players male or female or handicapped who QUALIFY for them. Each country should mandate that it's ranking systems include a way for women to achieve ranking points.
At least they would then open the door to pool AT THE HIGHEST level being a genderless sport. At lower levels let them divide as much as they want, women, juniors, people with brown hair, c-players, Texans, who cares? But at the highest level all tournaments should include every player of any age and sex who has qualified on the basis of their results.
Instroke75,
You don't even have to play in the WPBA. I will let you win more money than you could get there. All you have to do is play the top eight players 3 matches each. That should be about the eqivalent of playing a season on the WPBA. You put up $50,000 and I will put up $150,000 that you do not win half the matches.
The WPBA is single elimination in the final sixteen. Which means that IF you make it to the final 16 you will be facing a top player each time. You would have to win four matches to win an event.
So we structure this like the final 8 and you get to play them each 3 matches to simulate tournament conditions.
Wanna bet on this propsition?
I bet you wouldn't make it to the final 16 in most of the WPBA events that you'd play in. Too bad we can't find out. Sometimes I wish I was a billionaire and could indulge myself by busting people's myths.
You don't even have to play in the WPBA. I will let you win more money than you could get there. All you have to do is play the top eight players 3 matches each. That should be about the eqivalent of playing a season on the WPBA. You put up $50,000 and I will put up $150,000 that you do not win half the matches.
The WPBA is single elimination in the final sixteen. Which means that IF you make it to the final 16 you will be facing a top player each time. You would have to win four matches to win an event.
So we structure this like the final 8 and you get to play them each 3 matches to simulate tournament conditions.
Wanna bet on this propsition?
I bet you wouldn't make it to the final 16 in most of the WPBA events that you'd play in. Too bad we can't find out. Sometimes I wish I was a billionaire and could indulge myself by busting people's myths.
Funny!
Jeremy
I don't remember saying i would dominate the tour only that I would love to play on it cause I could make money. I also remember saying that I wasn't a great player, just that I could play most of the field in that tour, and I could, cause over half of the field consist of not that great players! You are right I probably can't beat the top eight more than 50% of the time, but if you get much below the top 8- 10 I start to like my action a whole lot!JB Cases said:
Jeremy
jasonlaus said:
instroke75 said:
Actually the WHOLE field at WPBA events consists of great players. They all have to fade travel ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, a week's worth (not a weekend) of hotel and eating expenses, local transportation costs. On top of that they probably had to fade the expense of attending one or more qualifiers to earn the spot they occupy. IF they have made touring pro status and still finish in the bottom half of the bracket consistently then they don't get the opportunity to earn paid spots on tour anymore and so must fade a $500 entry each time.
The whole field is full of great players because almost all of them do it for the pure love of the game. Most of them have day jobs and families that they have to juggle in order to continue to afford to be Women's Professional Billiards Player.
I'd love to set you up in action against the bottom half of the field. I bet you'd go broke trying to beat them. If your aspiration is to finish below 8th place at each event then you ought to keep your day job.
You are an amateur. You think that you are better than the lower half of the WPBA. You couldn't make it past 2 and out on the male pro tour events in my opinion. And yet you are jealous because the women, who you label as mostly inferior to amateurs like you, have their own tour? You want to go and play on their tour?
There is a tour for you. It's called the Viking Amateur Tour. Male Pros are not allowed to play on this tour. Nor are females over a certain rank on the WPBA. Would you like it if they were? Would you attend these tournaments if it's full of pros? Do you attend tournaments that are full of pros? How many open tournaments did you play in last year? What did you spend? How much did you make?
The point of all this is that the women are entitled to their own league because they, as a group, are at a lower skill level than the men. Just like players of your caliber are, as a group, at a lower skill level than the established male professionals.
The top of the food chain however, the "men's" professional players should welcome any and all people who seek to qualify in their league. They NEED a vast base of players to do this in order to feed the top players. If some of them weren't sexist and shortsighted they would realize that being a sport that encourages equality and provides equal opportunity would ENCOURAGE more PEOPLE male and female to take up the sport and increase both the fan base and the player base. IF a woman happened to beat the odds and maintain a spot in the top ten then she would be a publicity magnet and sponsors like to back sports that are publicity magnets.
So the end result is that the inclusion of women on an equal basis would likely put MORE FOOD on the table for MORE PLAYERS, yourself included.
I actually play on the Viking amateur tour(and the KBP am tour, and Tommy's tour also), check the results, but I work Fridays and Saturdays so I can't take of work just to go to some 2 day tourney! I only play in one day events and I really don't care who is in them!JB Cases said:
Jeremy