World Cup of Pool odds...

[gopi-1]

Do you agree with SJ's odds? Or are there teams that were overrated or underappreciated?



Philippines --- 7/4
Taiwan --- 9/4
U.S.A --- 11/2
Holland A --- 16/1
Germany --- 18/1
Finland --- 20/1
Holland B --- 22/1
Vietnam --- 25/1
Japan --- 33/1
China --- 40/1
England --- 40/1
Korea --- 50/1
Malaysia --- 50/1
Italy --- 66/1
Switzerland --- 66/1
Spain --- 80/1
Canada --- 100/1
Indonesia --- 100/1
Malta --- 100/1
Russia --- 100/1
Singapore --- 100/1
Hungary --- 125/1
Scotland --- 125/1
Croatia --- 150/1
France --- 150/1
India --- 200/1
Poland --- 250/1
Denmark --- 300/1
Austria --- 500/1
Australia --- 750/1
Qatar --- 1000/1
South Africa --- 1000/1

 

[JAM]

Do you have a link which would show the players representing each country?

I can't remember if this is the tournament or not, but I think the U.S. players are Rodney and Corey.

JAM

 

[gopi-1]

Do you have a link which would show the players representing each country?

I can't remember if this is the tournament or not, but I think the U.S. players are Rodney and Corey.

JAM

Yes Jennie, it will be Rodney and Corey and they're pretty formidable even
though Earl is not there. The host country will have 2 teams and I would
like to suggest to the organizers to give the winning country this year 2
teams for next year so that that they can develop their other players.

Here's the link:

http://www.matchroomsport.com/articleDetail.asp?intArticleID=357

 

[9ballprodigy]

i'm almost certain that i'd come down to philipines vs USA. however, if bustamante and efren reyes make up team phil, it's almost a lock.

 

[JAM]

i'm almost certain that i'd come down to philipines vs USA. however, if bustamante and efren reyes make up team phil, it's almost a lock.

I read on the Main Page that Corey recently won a regional tournament in Florida, and so I guess that means he's out there hitting 'em, practicing, getting in stroke. According to Rodney's podcast interivew on Runout Radio, he has been working on some non-pool-related business ventures, but he did say he was practicing, gearing up for this World Cup event. The two of them will make a good team.

Efren and Bustie is definitely going to be the mighty duo to beat.

I need to read up more on this World Cup, like where it is being held, et cetera. Sometimes the envirionment can be a contributing factor to a player's performance, just one factor of many.

I guess the odds are made on who the country's players are. I need to study the list more, like who's representing Germany. Their odds seem to not be as favorable as others.

JAM

 

[JAM]

I'm posting the list of players on this thread to make it easier to see who's playing for who.

The 2007 competition, which is sponsored by PartyPoker.net, will be held from Tuesday, September 25 to Sunday, September 30 at the Outland nightclub in Rotterdam, Holland.

So it's in Holland. That should give Niels Feijen and his partner a little bit of a homefield advantage, I would think.

A total of 31 different countries will be represented in the scotch doubles, winner-break format with $60,000 going to the winning pair. Holland, as host country, will have two teams and one side will see the return of Dutch stars Alex Lely and Rico Diks, with the other team consisting of Niels Feijen and Nick van den Berg.

Interesting to see Alex Lely back in the saddle again. Last I heard, he gave indications that he did not desire to compete professionally anymore. It's hard to be a pool champion and just give it up. He's got it in his blood for life.

There is a $250,000 prize fund, which will be split up as follows: Winners $60,000 for the pair, runners-up $30,000, semi-finalists $16,000, quarter-finalists $10,000, last 16 $5,000, first round losers $3,000.

Decent payouts. That's very nice to see.

And here's the cast of players:

Seeded teams
1. Philippines (Efren Reyes and Francisco Bustamante)
2. USA (Rodney Morris and Corey Deuel)
3. Taiwan (Wu Chia-ching and Yang Ching-shun)
4. Germany (Oliver Ortmann and Christian Reimering)
5. Holland A (Niels Feijen and Nick van den Berg)
6. Vietnam (Thanh Nam Nguyen and Luong Chi Dung)
7. England (Daryl Peach and Imran Majid)
8. China (Li He-wen and Fu Jian-bo)
9. Italy (Fabio Petroni and Bruno Muratore)
10. Finland (Mika Immonen and Markus Juva)
11. Canada (Edwin Montal and Alain Martel)
12. Spain (David Alcaide and Antonio Fazanes)
13. Austria (Martin Kempter and Dejan Dabovic)
14. Malaysia (Patrick Ooi and Ibrahim Bin Amir)
15. Switzerland (Dimitri Jungo and Marco Tschudi)
16. Russia (Konstantin Stepanov and Ruslan Chinakhov)

Unseeded teams
Australia (Stuart Lawler and Shaun Budd)
Croatia (Philipp Stojanovic and Ivica Putnik)
Denmark (Lotfy Bahram and Kasper Kristoffersen)
France (Stephan Cohen and Vincent Facquet)
Holland B (Alex Lely and Rico Diks)
Hungary (Vilmos Foldes and Balazs Miko)
India (Dharminder Singh Lilly and Manan Chandra)
Indonesia (Ricky Yang and Muhammed Zulfikri)
Japan (Naoyuki Oi and Satoshi Kawabata)
Korea (Ryu Seung-woo and Kim Woong-dae)
Malta (Tony Drago and Alex Borg)
Poland (Radoslaw Babica and Mateusz Sniegocki)
Qatar (Team to be confirmed)
Scotland (Pat Holtz and Michael Valentine)
Singapore (Chan Keng Kwang and Toh Lian Han)
South Africa (Team to be confirmed)

There are many players on this list that I am not familiar with. The event looks very exciting. I hope we are able to follow it live on the forums.

JAM

 

[ApoDra]

Taiwan team with Yang Ching Shun and Wu Chia Ching looks pretty strong I just don't know how well they could play together as a team... If they have good chemistry together might be the team to beat.. we just have to wait and see how the tournament goes.

 

[billbOK]

The favorites teams seems to be well appreciated. But I think that the teams of Austria (500/1), Poland (250/1), Russia (100/1) and Spain (80) are clearly underappreciated. I don't tell that they're gonna win but they are very solids teams. IMO Austria arond 100/1, Poland 100/1, Russia (50-66/1), Spain 66/1. With 300/1 Denmark is also underestimated.

My wish is that the swiss team will win !

 

[gopi-1]

Taiwan team with Yang Ching Shun and Wu Chia Ching looks pretty strong I just don't know how well they could play together as a team... If they have good chemistry together might be the team to beat.. we just have to wait and see how the tournament goes.

They're definitely one of the teams to reckon with, but I don't like the pairing
of a left handed and a right handed player playing Scotch Doubles together,
the left handed player might unknowingly set up the next shot for a right
handed player and vice-versa.

That's one of the drawbacks of opposite hands pairing up...

 

[GADawg]

Taiwan team with Yang Ching Shun and Wu Chia Ching looks pretty strong I just don't know how well they could play together as a team... If they have good chemistry together might be the team to beat.. we just have to wait and see how the tournament goes.

Wu and Yang are friends and seem to get along well. They are different personalities though.

 

[Snapshot9]

I noticed last year

there were, I believe, 2 teams playing with no ferrules on their cues.

 

[memikey]

Phillipines and Taiwan look well deserved favourites but don't much fancy those skinny odds.

China may do well at a much bigger price (much of the world has yet to see the best of Jianbo Fu who is awesome if allowed to get into his stride).

Interesting event, looking forward to it.

 

[GADawg]

Phillipines and Taiwan look well deserved favourites but don't much fancy those skinny odds.

China may do well at a much bigger price (much of the world has yet to see the best of Jianbo Fu who is awesome if allowed to get into his stride).

Interesting event, looking forward to it.

Fu is definitely strong and I think Li He Wen may be better overall. Fu gets rattled sometimes and makes silly mistakes. Both of them are in Shanghai now working with Chao Fong Pang.

 

[crosseyedjoe]

The Canadian Team is very underrated. I pick Canada as the dark horse.

It would be a cruel joke if Alex Pagulayan played for Canada and won.

 

[gopi-1]

Fu is definitely strong and I think Li He Wen may be better overall. Fu gets rattled sometimes and makes silly mistakes. Both of them are in Shanghai now working with Chao Fong Pang.

Having Chao as their coach will definitely do wonders to them. Yang Ching
Shun is the living testament to that.

 

[Marvel]

The favorites teams seems to be well appreciated. But I think that the teams of Austria (500/1), Poland (250/1), Russia (100/1) and Spain (80) are clearly underappreciated. I don't tell that they're gonna win but they are very solids teams. IMO Austria arond 100/1, Poland 100/1, Russia (50-66/1), Spain 66/1. With 300/1 Denmark is also underestimated.
!

These are wise words. It's hard to predict any of those teams to win, but the odds sure are too high, as it's only race to 8-11 and 32 team single elimination format. All of those teams can surprise for example Team Philippines, but will they win the whole tournament, it's another story of course.

Definitely it is wiser to bet some small money on some/each of them, than to bet Philippines or Taiwan..

 

[gopi-1]

These are wise words. It's hard to predict any of those teams to win, but the odds sure are too high, as it's only race to 8-11 and 32 team single elimination format. All of those teams can surprise for example Team Philippines, but will they win the whole tournament, it's another story of course.

Definitely it is wiser to bet some small money on some/each of them, than to bet Philippines or Taiwan..

I love longshots! That why I'm usually broke...

 

[gopi-1]

Here are the odds for the 1st round matchups:



Croatia - 5/6 vs. Russia - 5/6

China - 1/10 vs. South Africa - 5/1

Japan - 8/15 vs. Spain - 11/8

Philippines - 1/20 vs. Scotland - 7/1

France -6/4 vs. Italy - 1/2

Holland A - 1/7 vs. Indonesia - 4/1

Australia - 1/1 vs. Austria - 8/11

India - 7/4 vs. Canada - 2/5

Vietnam - 1/3 vs. Korea - 2/1

Germany - 1/5 vs. Singapore - 3/1

Taiwan - 1/25 vs. Denmark - 8/1

Holland B - 1/3 vs. Belgium - 2/1

Hungary - 11/10 vs. Switzerland - 4/6

Finland - 1/25 vs. Qatar - 8/1

England - 1/5 vs. Poland - 3/1

USA - 1/12 vs. Malta - 11/2

 

[bhoytam]

Here are the odds for the 1st round matchups:



Croatia - 5/6 vs. Russia - 5/6

China - 1/10 vs. South Africa - 5/1

Japan - 8/15 vs. Spain - 11/8

Philippines - 1/20 vs. Scotland - 7/1

France -6/4 vs. Italy - 1/2

Holland A - 1/7 vs. Indonesia - 4/1

Australia - 1/1 vs. Austria - 8/11

India - 7/4 vs. Canada - 2/5

Vietnam - 1/3 vs. Korea - 2/1

Germany - 1/5 vs. Singapore - 3/1

Taiwan - 1/25 vs. Denmark - 8/1

Holland B - 1/3 vs. Belgium - 2/1

Hungary - 11/10 vs. Switzerland - 4/6

Finland - 1/25 vs. Qatar - 8/1

England - 1/5 vs. Poland - 3/1

USA - 1/12 vs. Malta - 11/2

i don't understand this odd counting
if i put 100 bucks for QUATAR
how much can be win?
any1 can explain please
thanks

 

[Vahmurka]

i don't understand this odd counting

Some of us are used to British odds in fractions, some understand American systems (to put 100 bucks or to win 'em), some are better with decimals. Generally, you can visit StanJames.com page and choose any odds format there. I will provide decimals (multiply your stake by the quotient and you get the total amount you can win).

Croatia 1.83 - Russia 1.83
Germany 1.20 - Singapore 4.00
Taiwan 1.04 - Denmark 9.00
Hungary 2.10 - Switzerland 1.67
Qatar 9.00 - Finland 1.04
England 1.20 - Poland 4.00
U.S.A 1.08 - Malta 6.50
China 1.10 - South Africa 6.00
Japan 1.53 - Spain 2.38
Philippines 1.05 - Scotland 8.00
France 2.50 - Italy 1.50
Holland A 1.14 - Indonesia 5.00
Australia 2.00 - Austria 1.73
India 2.75 - Canada 1.40
Vietnam 1.33 - Korea 3.00

At these odds I like Russia over Croatia, Austria should beat Australia but I don't see much value in 1.73. I was able to take them @1.9. Also there is a possible upset of Canada by India, I would give India not more than 2.10. Strong Spanish side (just watch these players' Euro ranking and results) should be too tough for the Japanese.

I would like to know your opinions guys, I'm sure there are enough people around who know the participating players and their real speed. This is where we have an edge over the bookies, so let's beat 'em!